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 Is It Legal For Security Guards To Keep Your MyKad, Scanning on mykad reader? Photographing?

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TSokuribito
post Dec 19 2017, 02:22 PM, updated 8y ago

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Many office buildings now require you to give them your mykad which they put into a mykad reader & download our photo & details.

In condos, security guards ask for visitors' mykad & photo scan the mykad. Heaven knows when they'll get mykad readers also like office buildings smile.gif

*Article - Is it legal to keep your mykad?- says it's not legal based on this this 2007 circular from the ministry of home affairs

What do you think?

* says dot com /my/lifestyle/can-security-guards-take-and-keep-your-mykad-in-their-possession

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post Dec 19 2017, 04:33 PM

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i wont produce or let them hold my nric/mykad.
always insist on producing drivers license.
as what i know..only polis can ask for your mykad.
then again he/she must id themselves as polis.
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post Dec 19 2017, 05:49 PM

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I read somewhere it is illegal for a non-government organization to hold on to your IC and Drivers License.

They should write down the details of the visitor and return your identification card.
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post Dec 19 2017, 06:02 PM

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There is no Malaysian law that allow other people (polices even) to held your private identity documentations (MyKad or driving license even) when entering private/government buildings. You may present the ID prove visually if required, but never allow other people to held your IDs.

I have entered data sensitive data centers (including government buildings in Putrajaya). The auxiliary polices and guards did not held by Mykad or even driving license. They just cross check with their requests for work documentation and then allow me to enter for work. They just gave me the visitor's pass to be displayed when on premise.

All these practices are basically illegal, just like charging percentage of credit card transactions, or having a minimum for credit card transaction. We are used to doing these illegal things everyday.

But hey, for further clarification, get a civil lawyer to explain the law for you.
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post Dec 19 2017, 06:11 PM

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They are not allowed to keep your MyKad, usually they will settle for Driving license.

But, they can also reserve the right to refuse you entry because you do not want to produce MyKad.
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post Dec 19 2017, 09:19 PM

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It's absolutely illegal. Only yourself and valid government agencies are the ONLY ones allowed to take and withhold your personal identity card.

Frankly speaking the security personnel and the owner or management in charge for most premises ignore this however let's say if they still insist to withhold it and somehow manage to lose it or anything unsavory happens to your IC then they will be a big trouble as you can report to your local police station, those responsible for the witholding and losing the IC might even have to face prosecution for charges such as identity theft.

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post Dec 20 2017, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(najminaruto @ Dec 19 2017, 06:02 PM)
There is no Malaysian law that allow other people (polices even) to held your private identity documentations (MyKad or driving license even) when entering private/government buildings. You may present the ID prove visually if required, but never allow other people to held your IDs.

I have entered data sensitive data centers (including government buildings in Putrajaya). The auxiliary polices and guards did not held by Mykad or even driving license. They just cross check with their requests for work documentation and then allow me to enter for work. They just gave me the visitor's pass to be displayed when on premise.

All these practices are basically illegal, just like charging percentage of credit card transactions, or having a minimum for credit card transaction. We are used to doing these illegal things everyday.

But hey, for further clarification, get a civil lawyer to explain the law for you.
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Once I fetched a customer into the Air Force base. They retained my MyKad and customer's PASSPORT. Couldn't do anything about it as they said leave it there or leave there
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post Dec 21 2017, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Dec 20 2017, 10:53 PM)
Once I fetched a customer into the Air Force base. They retained my MyKad and customer's PASSPORT. Couldn't do anything about it as they said leave it there or leave there
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Military has different law. maybe?
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post Dec 21 2017, 10:02 AM

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My place the guard wont take mykad to hold, they said illegal for them to hold it.. but they do hold license or student card.


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post Dec 21 2017, 03:28 PM

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I went to balai polis.. and the police at the guard house took & keep my ic in exchange for customer's pass.
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post Dec 22 2017, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Dec 20 2017, 10:53 PM)
Once I fetched a customer into the Air Force base. They retained my MyKad and customer's PASSPORT. Couldn't do anything about it as they said leave it there or leave there
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try sentul army camp, first entry they take my army Card and exchange with pass 1, second gates, use pass 1 exchange with pass 2, third gates pass 2 exchange for pass 3 ....
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post Dec 22 2017, 07:26 PM

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Once i went to pos laju at old lcct,they will take ur ic before you can enter .if you refuse to give then they won't let you go in.
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post Jan 1 2018, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Dec 22 2017, 03:23 AM)
try sentul army camp, first entry they take my army Card and exchange with pass 1, second gates, use pass 1 exchange with pass 2, third gates pass 2 exchange for pass 3 ....
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Very interesting to have layers of security.

But then, you have army card. Why need to use pass since you are army, I suppose?
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post Jan 1 2018, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(santik @ Jan 1 2018, 02:14 PM)
Very interesting to have layers of security.

But then, you have army card. Why need to use pass since you are army, I suppose?
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Malasysia version Area 51 tongue.gif each pass give u up to certain level of privilege (yup security purposes, if in level 3 but u can't show level 3 pass, ur reward will be live bullet) smile.gif this is army, give u a little hint: army speak english not bahasa Malaysia smile.gif
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 1 2018, 04:06 PM)
Malasysia version Area 51 tongue.gif  each pass give u up to certain level of privilege (yup security purposes, if in level 3 but u can't show level 3 pass, ur reward will be live bullet) smile.gif this is army, give u a little hint: army speak english not bahasa Malaysia smile.gif
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Army speak English not Bahasa Malaysia?


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post Jan 1 2018, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(santik @ Jan 1 2018, 04:15 PM)
Army speak English not Bahasa Malaysia?
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army is international division, not local, so all official/ranked must speak n write in english .....
is not like PDRM which low rank can claim up easily, army does required education qualification ..
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post Jan 1 2018, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 1 2018, 04:17 PM)
army is international division, not local, so all official/ranked must speak n write in english .....
is not like PDRM which low rank can claim up easily, army does required education qualification ..
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So the language between high rank army officers is English?


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post Jan 1 2018, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(santik @ Jan 1 2018, 04:20 PM)
So the language between high rank army officers is English?
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those day YES, but now i dunno ....
even sarjan or team leader need to communicate in English, especially those border petrol, else we speak malay, they speak thai, guese what going to happen ?

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post Jan 1 2018, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 1 2018, 04:21 PM)
those day YES, but now i dunno ....
even sarjan or team leader need to communicate in English, especially those border petrol, else we speak malay, they speak thai, guese what going to happen ?
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Interesting to know this.
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post Jan 1 2018, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 1 2018, 04:17 PM)
army is international division, not local, so all official/ranked must speak n write in english .....
is not like PDRM which low rank can claim up easily, army does required education qualification ..
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Why U mean army is international division ? I thought our Malaysian government army is national army ? Shouldn't the Malaysian army pwesonnel speak B Malaysia ?

 

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