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TSEdminxd
post Dec 14 2017, 10:11 PM, updated 8y ago

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I've just finished my SPM. I'm waiting for my result and still planning what to take. I'm in art stream. Is that possible to become a cyber computer forensic? Thanks!!

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post Dec 14 2017, 10:27 PM

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post Dec 14 2017, 10:46 PM

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i like the path 2. Gonna hack google now
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post Dec 14 2017, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Edminxd @ Dec 14 2017, 10:46 PM)
i like the path 2. Gonna hack google now
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you can actually enroll in Computer Forensic course doesnt matter which stream u from. implying u not picky in which instituted u wanna go.

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You need THREE (3) Credits at SPM/SPMV level including in Mathematics OR a PTPL Certificate in Computer Science with a Pass in all subjects OR an equivalent qualification recognized by MSU Senate.

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post Dec 15 2017, 04:49 AM

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There is information security course being offered. Although it is not much general since Malaysia market doesn’t demand such course very much.
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post Dec 18 2017, 12:43 PM

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Art stream got mathematics subject or not? hmm.gif

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post Dec 18 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Dec 18 2017, 12:43 PM)
Art stream got mathematics subject or not? hmm.gif
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yes art stream got maths
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post Dec 18 2017, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Edminxd @ Dec 18 2017, 05:49 PM)
yes art stream got maths
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This is a good website for your reference. SoS
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QUOTE(seventwo @ Dec 18 2017, 06:01 PM)
This is a good website for your reference. SoS
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post Dec 18 2017, 07:47 PM

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Any CS degree will do tbh. The skills needed can be picked up on your own, through online courses.

What is more important are your computer security certifications which are to be taken when you are working. List of certifications for the various fields of security (eg network, forensics, etc) are provided here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compu..._certifications
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post Dec 20 2017, 08:12 AM

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Forensics in many places is just a course to collect a license.
They don't write their own software or debug anything.

Just like becoming a counselor.

Lots of commonsense + a license at the end to apply for jobs stating "Licensed Forensic holder only".

Good luck, that means your competition is only due to presentation, looks and fluency in English and cable.
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post Dec 20 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Dec 20 2017, 08:12 AM)
Forensics in many places is just a course to collect a license.
They don't write their own software or debug anything.

Just like becoming a counselor.

Lots of commonsense + a license at the end to apply for jobs stating "Licensed Forensic holder only".

Good luck, that means your competition is only due to presentation, looks and fluency in English and cable.
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Using your logic, might as well don't go uni since most stuff can be learnt online nowadays and uni is just a place to collect your money.


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post Dec 20 2017, 03:06 PM

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Well ... your uni degree isn't going to earn you much with entrenched cartels here.
They like to say they are after overseas graduates ... but don't pay them any more.

Besides, if your teachers are corrupt your marks won't be genuine.

QUOTE(Kcdw96 @ Dec 20 2017, 02:33 PM)
Using your logic, might as well don't go uni since most stuff can be learnt online nowadays and uni is just a place to collect your money.
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post Dec 20 2017, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Dec 20 2017, 03:06 PM)
Well ... your uni degree isn't going to earn you much with entrenched cartels here.
They like to say they are after overseas graduates ... but don't pay them any more.

Besides, if your teachers are corrupt your marks won't be genuine.
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tbh I kinda agree with you lol. Nowadays if you are motivated enough, everything can learn online espc CS. Those private unis nowadays quality quite pathetic, fch from those unis but probably if you ask them to write a proper program on the spot they dk
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post Dec 20 2017, 03:50 PM

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If you ask the Chinaman company bosses whether they can code ... their reaction will be very revealing as to their mentality and how they solve problems.

HINT: It's usually laugh at you, then stop smiling, then pound table and demand things.

QUOTE(Kcdw96 @ Dec 20 2017, 03:43 PM)
tbh I kinda agree with you lol. Nowadays if you are motivated enough, everything can learn online espc CS. Those private unis nowadays quality quite pathetic, fch from those unis but probably if you ask them to write a proper program on the spot they dk
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post Dec 20 2017, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(aBcD-| @ Dec 15 2017, 04:49 AM)
There is information security course being offered. Although it is not much general since Malaysia market doesn’t demand such course very much.
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Actually you are wrong! We can't find enough security specialists now. We just had a long conversation with Cyber Security Malaysia and some of the biggest security consultants in the country and the problem is getting talents. We get a lot of graduates but not talents. That's the key issue now.

In fact, the big Four consultancies (KPMG, PWC, Deloitte) are now setting up a security/risk-management arm that would deal with this emerging threat area but they can't find enough consultants in this field. Similar to banks.

Maybe you should get more information from the relevant industries and agencies before making such a sweeping statement.
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post Dec 20 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Dec 20 2017, 03:06 PM)
Well ... your uni degree isn't going to earn you much with entrenched cartels here.
They like to say they are after overseas graduates ... but don't pay them any more.

Besides, if your teachers are corrupt your marks won't be genuine.
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No. The actual fact is your university degree doesn't grant that you are proficient. So many graduates go out with no strong fundamentals. Yes - they take a degree in Computer Forensics but lack the basic building blocks of computer science.

Want to be a good cyber security person? Do computer science and learn the foundation of CS. you can't run if you can't even walk. You can't solve security problems if you are not a good problem solver. Period.
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post Dec 20 2017, 04:42 PM

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That's where the filtering comes in.
Anyone can enter.
Only the qualified graduate.

Of course, that was overseas. Malaysia is a more interesting place.

QUOTE(joe_toye @ Dec 20 2017, 04:41 PM)
No. The actual fact is your university degree doesn't grant that you are proficient. So many graduates go out with no strong fundamentals. Yes - they take a degree in Computer Forensics but lack the basic building blocks of computer science.

Want to be a good cyber security person? Do computer science and learn the foundation of CS. you can't run if you can't even walk. You can't solve security problems if you are not a good problem solver. Period.
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post Dec 20 2017, 04:51 PM

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Aren't those fellas body shops? They only hire out people and claim a cut of their wages, like an outsourcing firm?

And the one you left out - Accenture - was previously called Arthur Andersen, and collapsed because of its links to Enron?

Hardly what I'd call people of integrity, I think one of them was also involved in 1MDB ...

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https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/...ace_to_start_a/

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[–]elusConsultant Developer 25 points 3 years ago
The purpose of consulting firms is to bill hours. This is usually done by implementing or maintaining line of business software for their clients. While there are exceptions most of this work will not be cutting edge. I've been doing this as an independent on and off for the last 15 years and its given me the opportunity to travel but I wouldn't say the work is technically challenging. Most of the time it's just me implementing existing best practices over and over again to companies that require the expertise.

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[–]fecakWriter/Recruiter 4 points 3 years ago
In my experience, the consulting firm isn't always the best environment for learning when we are talking about entry level engineers. As was mentioned, these firms make money by billing hours and having their consultants on projects, and that can mean just throwing bodies at clients without much regard for skill sets.
The companies don't have much incentive to build up your skill set other than what you'll learn on the job (training might be done if you end up on the bench). There is also quite a bit of incestuous hiring, so they can't assume you'll stay with the same company very long.

QUOTE(joe_toye @ Dec 20 2017, 04:38 PM)
In fact, the big Four consultancies (KPMG, PWC, Deloitte) are now setting up a security/risk-management arm that would deal with this emerging threat area but they can't find enough consultants in this field. Similar to banks.
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On right hand side, there is also a physical change. From "o" to "O" ... the prison experience from what shows have told us.

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