I'm planning to buy a second hand car, Satria GTi n Waja, Priced range at RM35000...

Satria GTi(2000-2001),
Reason I wanna buy this car:
-I like racing(Just take it, don't comment, coz I hav no money to buy Evo9)
-I like it's exterior, stylish.
Reasons that stoped me from buying this car:
- 6-7years car ad, very old.
-1.8cc, high road tax n insurance
-Doesn't suit me, becoz I'm quite big in body size, sitting inside GTi make the car looks very small.

Waja (2003-2004) NOT CAMPRO ENGINE and manual 1,
Reason I wanna buy this car:
-It's exterior is not as nice as GTi(for me), but its interior is way better than GTi.
-Spacious n big which suit me
-Newer compare to GTi at the same price range.
Reasons that stoped me from buying this car:
-Underpowered, can't race, or u can say yes when i transplant to Mivec engine, but transplant engine no need money meh?
-Thinking to modisfy it, again, no need money meh?

If u r me, which 1 will u choose? Y?

This post has been edited by DaViDcHiN: Apr 26 2007, 05:39 AM

i will take gti lor coz the design is nicer than waja for my opinion...
n i also heard from many ppl tht waja got a lot of problems...

Hmm are you single or have your own family already?

If single, probably GTi coz u'll be able to go fast.

If got family, then Waja coz it's spacious, very comfortable.

I'd go with the Waja. At the end of the day, you'll be spending most of your time in KL traffic anyways, so go for the one that'll make you feel more comfortable.

satrio GTI vs Waja = Savvy vs Myvi = Performance vs Comfort
both of them was different classes, quite difficult to decide...

i go for waja, at least it upgrade-able from stock to performance part later... if satria , it not upgrade-able from 2 door to 4 door... but tat car is ur ride only and wont fetch much ppl by using it and use it on race track (dont speeding on usual road ), go to satria gti...

i also agree wif FlamingFox...if u are single,go for GTi...otherwise u should take waja insteed...

Gti got a better body compare to normal satria... the stuff is much more better..
from all my fren who drive WAJA said it has the worst spare part and the quality is worst... even some wira spare parts is better den WAJA (a spare part dealer say it to me)...

for me i will not think twice... my choice is GTi!!!

I've driven both. I'll pick GTi anytime. Reason? It's just simply too fantastic to be driven.

Waja because the Satria is a 2-door and 2-doors have bad resale value.

For me, I will get Waja lor.. Cause it more spacious and comfortable.. GTi, I believe the ex owner sure force the engine use kaw kaw already.. Furthermore, waja road tax will be cheaper.. And what I suggest, why don't you try find other 2nd car beside Proton? RM35k you can get other 2nd car beside Proton. Buying 2nd Proton, you might regret.

I like GTi but after using my head i will pick waja. Reason:
1. Waja spacious
2. GTi - hot target for car thief
3. GTi - 2 door (low resale value)
4. Waja power enough for as cannot speed too much also due to free ticket waiting.. highway also max 110 to 120 only maa..

For me, it's better to get the GTI coz u'll get better fuel milage even if u don't race. Bsides, the power is there whenever u need it. Aren't like the Waja, u'll need to modify when u need the extra power.

Waja also well known for it's prone to problems. Better check which version it is b4 deciding.

Although u might feel the GTI is small, but when u sit inside, u might feel differently about the space. Its similar to a Wira, but with smaller back seats only. As long as the GTI is accident free and has low milage, should b alrite coz the engine is a good unit while the rest of it should b of certain standards compared to a fully-designed local car.

Mayb u'll need some time to get used to the semi-bucket seats of the GTI but when u do, u'll never go back to normal seats.

So, for me, it's the GTI

you want to race ?
u just answer yourself right ?

gti can "race" better then a waja...

waja is a family sedan.... and its only 1.6cc compared to the GTi which is a 1.8cc

and if u are into racing, please dont complain about the high FC, roadtax and insurance... its part of the game

haha.. is depend whether u have family or not.. or u r a full time fetch ppl or not..=) if i were u, of course gti, waja market value is so low, at least gti is still rare due to stop production =)

i would say waja...

reason, pay a same amount, but u 'll get a newer car and more spacious. In term of comfort i think waja also win... power and speed waja loose lar... if u are those racer then gti lor, but u are those responsible driver, waja also quite good.. most of my colleague also drive waja.......

This post has been edited by stormchaser: Apr 26 2007, 09:34 AM

jst do remember where u park ur GTI if u attend to buy it. be very very careful with it..

mine was park right infront of my hse. had it only for 1 week n it was stolen, nvr to be seen again..

This post has been edited by moon*: Apr 26 2007, 09:37 AM

go for waja if u want comfort...... and satria if you wants the adrenaline rush...

im a waja campro user....go for waja....i wanted to buy satria neo but after test driving both cars...i decided on waja.....cause when u drive waja...u feel its solid...and well i just had an accident...and i was suprised.....then impact was so bad...but the damage was minor....

i think if a satria it would have been a total lost...

try visiting our team imperials website to find out more about waja....

www.team-imperials.drives.it

waja would be a good choice...seriously....you would be surprise about the under powered...obviously u cannot compare it to satria gti as the difference in CC and GTI model is completely not comparable...

1.8 vs 1.6
GTI vs stock...


u get my point la....

go for WAJA...

1.8cc can also look for putra what...?
putra is as fast as satia gti... not so crampy either...

i think for ur long term consideration, waja is the better choice for u, since is more new n value if compare to gti, n is more on future thinking for u....

Get a Waja.

GTi already an obsolete model, you're going to have nightmares when you're selling it off next time. With 35,000 I think you can get a Mitsu Waja (more power compared to campro) year 2004, which has minimal problems compared to the earlier batches.

turbo GTi!!!

I choose Waja. Bcos it's more comfortable driving and it got 4 doors.
Good if u thinking long terms as others already suggested.

Choose Waja ler. For racing, i choose Burnout 3 - XBOX and Gran Turismo 4 - PS2....lol.

2nd hand GTi...prev owner sure kena engine kaw-kaw already...maintenance will kill yer later.

GTI gogogo

You rite.. putra first generation 1.8 engine and GTi second. People said 1st more power.. sorry, me myself never tried lar.. but handling definetely GTi win.

The URL u gave is dead

It's probably sensible to choose a 4-door sedan over a 2-door hatch. I think you'll welcome the extra 2 doors when you get passengers. Later you can upgrade the engine, fit a turbo, get a manual gearbox, racing shocks, Brembo and voila! Wajavo IX.

I prefer neither.

Since you have a budget of RM35k, why don't you top up a bit and buy a new Satria Neo.

Reasons:

a. New car (virgin) - you are the 1st owner so it's never a headache to remember its past history.

b. Easier financing - it's a new car, you can get easier financial assistance even up to 9 years loan repayment (lol, bad idea).

c. A stock silver satria neo really beats any gti in terms of physical look and handling(needs citation). You can upgrade the engine performance later on if the budget permits.

I myself drive a boring small toyota sedan since I require a good everyday car. Well if i have more money to own a second car for weekend drive, I definitely buy a satria neo

Okay, drop any of my ideas if you think your budget is too limited.

This post has been edited by igor_is300: Apr 26 2007, 01:00 PM

if i'm not mistaken WAJA, Tiara and Juara has the worst value in proton...
WAJA bought in 2005-6 for 60k now onli can sell for 35-40k or even lesser...
usually its hard to look for GTi at Second hand car shop... GTi is good in demand...

Go for Satria GTi...more powerful & ,sportier than Waja

dun la bring putra into the picture....

putra FTW

my vote goes to GTI for sure..

dun give any reason like 2 doors or 4 doors.. its so lame...

when i bought my putra.. this is wat my parents says ... its a 2 door car... in future .. u will regret...

my reply was .. u think i gonna drive 1 car for like 10 years?? if after few years i still cant afford another one.. then im a total loser .. :-P

the main point is .. if u arent fetching ur family always .. get the GTI .. dun worry about ur frens... YOU buy a car that u want and like .. not for the convineint of ur frens to hop in and out .. if the wanna car pool ur GTI .. dont complaint thats a 2 doors ... else get a taxi or bus .. tat is wat i tell my frens .. hahaha

Waja problem? Erm, can state a bit?
One of the cmmon problem is the window, it is very common in Proton cars..
But does dat means GTi doesn't have such problem, because it is a Proton too...-.-"

Single loh, studying, drive it to school everyday, fetch people once in a blue moon when gathering with frens.

Mmmm....I don't understand u...


It may take years for me to modify the waja...

Mmm.. I am thinking about it

Do u have any proves?, Which spare part is worst? I'm buying the 03/4 Waja, heard dat a lot of problems r fixed in this batch...

Yeah, fantastic, Me too..


Buying 2nd hand car, resale value won't drop like new car lah...

Mmm...why many people anti-proton one, includng mysefl..lol... but wat to do? NO $$$...


Yes, I know GTi is a hot target for car thief, but this is not a problem, I will find park my car inside my house...haha...

2 doors car, low value, yes, I'm buying second hand GTi becoz it's value is already low...

Not about the max speed in highway, it is about the power, sometimes i might need to rush to school, worrying that Waja won't satisfy me...


Mmm... I am totally agree with u...lol...

The fc is ok, it has not much difference compare to Waja 1.6cc...

I am not complaining, just te cons of buying GTi...


I'm single, GTi oso can fetch people mah....


That is y i am consdering Waja loh...

Sorry to hear about it, I wll be very careful!

-.-" easy conclusion but hard choice...

I anti-campro 1, that's y I say I'm buying 03/04 when Waja is still using mitsu engine...lol...

"you would be surprise about the under powered"...erm...r u telling that waja is really very underpowered?

My bro own a putra, anyway, GTi looks nicer...haha...


Mmm...I am not sure how long will I be sitting in this car, If the time is right, for sure I'll change it, but 2nd hand proton car, I think 7 years is anough loh...anyway, I won't be marrying that soon..haha..

well said

What about taking a fairly cheap Satria around 10 to 15k and spend the rest on transplant and bodykits ?
Way better than getting GTI right ?

-.-" I am worrying the next time I sell it for sure, dat is y i buy second hand car,
Yeah, if i buy waja, i'll get Mitsu engine 1...lancer engine mah...

Yes, will change it if I get GTi, but don't know when only... 4G93T!


Too common considerationg lar bro...if u say like this, small car no people buy ad lo...


????????Burnout 3 - XBOX and Gran Turismo 4 - PS2???????

Mmm... I can always find a better one,

-.-" Sure GTi gogogo lar..


Yes, putra's handling is really BAD, my bro own a putra, whenever I'm cornering, feel like the car is going to roll upside down... nightmare....


Yes, I am thinking about it!!!!!!! Change the body kit, change engine n exshaut, change suspension...lol...

Erm, yes I like NEO very much, if it is fit with mitsu engine, I'll surely get it, but it comes with campro engine...VERY underpowered when pick up...which can be easily beaten by kancil (lol..I'm just kidding, but i think it is possible)


Look for GTi is not difficult, but look for a good 1, hard loh...


That's one of the point y i wanna buy gti...


"u think i gonna drive 1 car for like 10 years?? if after few years i still cant afford another one.. then im a total loser"

I'm totally agree with u!

My house have a lot of car, if go out with family won't be sitting my car anyway..

Hahaha...u speak my mind... feel like getting GTi after seeing ur reply...

satria GTI and the waja are so so diff in league..

one is all abt performance..da other is abt comfort and practicality..

what do u 1??

u 1 sumting dat performs..or..do u 1 sumting dat is practical??

The problem is, I am paying by installement, how long do i need to wait to modify my car?

Anyway, thanks for suggesting...

i always see waja cannot make U-turn ................ sight too short

2 oso wan, how?

voted for GTI.

AFAIK, engine tactfully the same, the ECU does the job there in difference. but both has similar output even with different MMC ecu (1st batch oni!)

haha we have same experience here bro

there's more to mod in a satria just to match the handling of GTI. AFAIK, chassis tuning consists of lots more different materials & additional component; eg. number of spot-welds on the chassis.

Go for err... GTI?

*edited: forgot to suggest

This post has been edited by usus: Apr 26 2007, 02:25 PM

Honestly tell you la, I will go for waja.. Waja look more solid.. Wanna race? Go modified the waja lor. Confirm is better. As what i said, GTi previous owner sure had force the engine run kaw kaw. After getting it, you still wanna repair it for sure. But getting Waja the risk won't be so high. I had most of my friends driving waja and of course that their had mod their waja. I see no other problem for them. I feel waja is more comfortable that GTi.. Or wan easy, wait for wira price drop and get it. Waja can be mod for performance and also comfort.. Even some of my friend had drove GTi and Putra before and their now change to Waja..

change to waja???aiyohhh

Cause they wanna more spacious interior.. Wanna fetch people mah.. Plus more comfortable that GTi they claimed.

This post has been edited by singchaii: Apr 26 2007, 03:25 PM

ehm.. one word..

enthusiast = GTI

i owned a GTI b4. sat n drove a waja b4.

from my point of view,

waja tend to more noisy.. the engine sound comes out from the aircond duct.

yes, most GTI must have been trash around b4, but if u are lucky, u will still be able to find some good condition ones. like i did.

u can bring a GTI up n down genting, no problem.. cornerning ability is good, top speed stock can go abt 200++ , mild mod with high cam can let u achieve speed abt 240.

their suspensions are tuned nicely..

and how much difference is a 1.6 compared to a 1.8 road tax? u only pay it once a year.. 1.8 road tax still quite low ma

gti has stock rev ability to 7.5k. tats pretty awesome man.

seriously.. if u ask here.. u wont really get an answer..

BTW, i jst have the feeling, u so wanna get tat GTI, jst afraid of future problem.

tell u wat.. b4 u buy the car, check it inside out to be sure . tat can solve u some problems..

do have a comparison with the waja vs gti..

1.6 vs 1.8

power to weight ratio /weight to power.. which ever it is..

gti wins.. (get the MMC ecu is better, siemens ecu lacks abit of power)

if not mistaken, year 2000 is the last batch of MMC ecu in the gtis

if my GTI havnt got stolen from me.. i tink by now i would have an evo3 transplant inside liau

This post has been edited by moon*: Apr 26 2007, 03:38 PM

if ur friends using the car for fetching ppl..id say yes for waja but if u said about comfort..ii would say hell no.GTi tuned by LOTUS n waja tuned by what??proton itself??? so how come waja can be more comfortable??if the spacious yes coz it's 4 doors car and if u ask everyone they sure say GTi a lot more comfortable

lol.. i agree..

david chin have u even sat in a GTI?? a stock GTI lotus tuned suspensions are so comfortable n yet reliable to speed at corners.. beat tat with a stock waja setups?

n guess wat? if u wan ur GTI to be more better, u can always seek R3. ?

spare parts are affordable n easy to find.
most mitsu parts are plug n play

This post has been edited by moon*: Apr 26 2007, 03:42 PM

go get a GTi.......
you will love it.......

Thanks for suggesting...yeah. there's too much to mod to match the handling of GTi...better change whole car...lol....

Waja MOD can run win GTi? ith mivec engine turbo? Wat car oso can run win GTi lah...the problem is $$$....

Anyway, I agree dat getting Waja the risk won't be so high, anyway, my fren's parents own a second hand factory, so he will find a good 1 for me...but need sometimes, 1 months ad he found 1, non accident n low miledge, female owner...gotta c the condition 1st..lol...i haven't c it yet!

Mmmm...but for driver seat...i think GTi is better lah...Recaro woh...passenger...i dun care...they wan to sit then dun complain...

Road tax is till ok, insurance is another thing... anyway...i can cope with it..haha...
Trying to get 2000 1, GTi change to 4G63 engine? JPJ prove or not oh???? If yes, I oso change loh...

Mmm...waja is comfort for ALL pssenger in the car...while GTi only front seats r more comfortable but back seat...u know lar...haha...but dat's not a problem...

Never sit a GTi b4, sat waja b4, but forgot how's the feel, but I can c dat inside is almost same to putra or i can say it's the same... but the handling.. i dunno ...but my bro say neo's handling is better than GTi...i dunno true or not...

R3...-.-" 45k++ for second hand..I buy Myvi loh...

Actually I can said, althought waja tuned by waja itself, but you can always re-tuned it by some shop. Just like my cousin putra. His car get mod and tune it until 1st gear can go 10k rpm. But I had sit my friend GTi and Waja before. We had go to outs station to penang and also Johor. But I can really feel that Waja is more better. But of course the Waja is not stock. It being modified..

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Added on April 26, 2007, 4:01 pmRecaro? My friend waja with Sparco seat wow.. Haha...

I had a good idea for you. Go to the 2nd hand car shop, and test drive both car. See which suit you then you get which 1. Get many review from us also no use de. Different people had different taste..

This post has been edited by singchaii: Apr 26 2007, 04:02 PM

erm....GTI year 1999 or 2000 ok...if newer than these...nt good...pick up slow....hehe

Not all 2nd hand car shop oso got all car, I hav to ask so dat they will find for me...they promise to find a good 1 for me...anyway...who r going to say i will find a bad 1 for u... but i think as he's my fren's dad, I'm quite close to him oso, his dad will try his best to find good 1....

Mmm...for sure...i will prefer GTi for performance, it is like putra, very powerful, but waja....-.-" okok only, normal loh...not to mentioned underpowered...

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Added on April 26, 2007, 4:09 pmPick up slower than Mitsu ecu GTi, not pick up slow...

If u say pick up slow, CAMPRO no.1 for pick up SLOW...

This post has been edited by DaViDcHiN: Apr 26 2007, 04:09 PM

Actually pick up or underpower car, If depend how the owner wanna mod it.

Waja also 2nd hand ler.. Haha..

If you able to get a GTi which ex owner is girl or lady, then it would be better..

This post has been edited by singchaii: Apr 26 2007, 04:20 PM

Waj lah.. last long.

But, I heard wira SE price will drop soon till RM34-RM36k. Why don't you try on wira SE? What satria GTi can do, it also can do on the wira..

2nd hand waja too me are mainly lemon cars, the owners must have sold it due to too much problems on that car.

My pick will be the gti, as it met all ur requirements. A car 6-7 years isn't that old and look for those which are well maintained. Becareful looking for a good one as possibility some of the existing gti were trashed badly by their previous owners. If u think the gti is small, i think u feel like a giant inside a hobbit's house if u consider the satria neo.

If you were on 1st hand car, Waja is better.

However this is 2nd hand, and Satria GTi is rare. Btw, older Waja has tons of (power window, absorber) problems.


A girl or lady owner -> AVOID!!

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Apr 26 2007, 04:38 PM

DUN buy Satria SE please

those satrias are jst face lifted n re spray with new colors.

the car are left there for ages le..

GTI, cheaper maintainance.. since a lot of Mirage sparepart from japan...

yeah like mine.1st owner is a lady n i'm the 2nd owner.i use the stock engine for 4 months only,throw away the stock and put in VR4.kao leh!!!

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Added on April 26, 2007, 5:10 pmand y dun u buy honda eg??now from 30k u can get B16A edy.it's more powerful then gti stock engine.no need to mod edy.but not sure can refinance or not..

This post has been edited by spoon2272: Apr 26 2007, 05:10 PM

well since u r still student, and i guess u always drive alone most of the time rite........ so why not get a GTI........

youngster want to pickup pickup a bit during driving 1.....so u wont regret getting a car with extra bhp

small, nimble and rather good handling too.but ost important parking problem free.... 140hp 1.8 engine is quite ok, not much problem......transplant......no need lar, where you want to go with that anyway? (no offense)

worry about car age, well GTI does has extra spot weld which gave strong chasis so not so much worries....... just make sure u get the real 1 instead of mockup 1......

road tax and insurance, not much difference......... but if u want fully insured cover a bit harder to get for such a hot car haha........

comfortable, well so far it ok as long as you dun go replace the shock with some extra hard so call sport performance thing...... clutch too.... u'll regret after u do so

This post has been edited by LExus65: Apr 26 2007, 05:15 PM

I also faced the same problem like you, but i believe that it's all depends on what the owner one. Remember that you only young once, if you are into racing, better do it now and change to family car later... If you missed the opportunity, you will regret later...BTW, i chose GTI.

GTi for me anytime. Damn in love with the interior. Wanted to buy GTi last time, but the price damn high, around RM73K, FTW!

Now should be around RM68K I think.

This post has been edited by zeist: Apr 26 2007, 05:17 PM

Contrary to popular belief, a lady owner might not understand or treat her car well. They may not understand that the car needs 5000km or 10000km service. They may not know how to drive the car properly.

Best to get a car with a full service record. An old car shouldn't be a problem if it was well maintained, but prepare to spend some extra money on a major service when you get the car. All the belts and bearings should be changed, all the oil should be changed. Check for wheel alignment and balancing, tyre condition, brakes, clutch, suspensions, etc.

DON'T BUY PROTON CARS! THEY SUCK!

lolx

satria
looks chun and thats all tha matters when u wanna pick chicks

you'll need to see your usage needs.
if you need space, then it's waja
but if you mainly drive alone and have backup when you need space, the satria would be a good choice.
i believe the GTi would be better put together when compared to the waja.
however, do check the condition as it might have been thrashed (it's made to be thrashed) and it's still a favourite with car thieves.

both has cons and pro.

satria gti ftw

nice car

Lady or Girl owner why most avoid? Their very rough ark? Hehe..

Dude,
i must agree stock putra handaling sucks... but with a little tuning .. change to better abs and spring.. it will be damn nice d .. my putra handaling damn good now i can say... but my rubber not that nice... loose grip one.. haha... cheap rubbers.. :-P

Satria GTI looks stylish! Go for it!
Earlier batch of waja is quite problematic, try to avoid those.

These are the things that most lady owner DID NOT care about: brake fluid, power steering, timing belt, radiator coolant, aircon belt, gearbox oil, LSD/differential fluid, brake pads (both for drum and disc), tire pressure, spare tire pressure, spark plug, battery water.

Even if they fail, they jsut sent it to the workshop and fix it. After that continue the usual ignorance. And when you ask them, their excuses is the same "I always service my car timely, engine oil got change." Correct! Their service means change engine oil only.


p/s: At least my mother sees engine oil, battery water and tire pressure only.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Apr 26 2007, 07:16 PM

Me Must Choose GTI , Coz I Like Racing .

This post has been edited by jimmy1977: Apr 26 2007, 07:43 PM

Since GTi so good, wonder why proton don't want continue with it.. But in RM75k now a day, can get better car that GTi?

Satria GTi all the way. Sporty look

GTI lor, all rounder compared to WAJA.

1. You drive alone, space does not matter.
2. Performance does matter, waja is too heavy to race. be it wajalution or not.
3. Maintenance - like some others already pointed out, parts are abundant and of quality.
4. GTI - the best model Proton ever had. Waja - no eye see.
5. Asthecity, GTI - best design Proton ever had, in par to Putra. Waja - no eye see also.
6. Resale value - 2000 GTI also 35k, 2004 Waja also 35k

if me , i will go for waja. more "executive" look.plus, proton still make this car, so u can upgrade all the time. waja not that bad la , im also own a waja. 2004 batch , still dun have any major problem .

buy waja and join imperials team , then u know how to mod d

Satria GTi is one of the most stolen car. Car thieves are actually hunting for them... so u pick ur choice, I rather get a more conventional car, than to worry about my car being stolen every where I go.

This post has been edited by victor_hoh: Apr 26 2007, 10:46 PM

I have made my decision, guess what?

GTi!!!!

The poll tell me to buy GTi too...

Ok, my conclusion is, I don't 1 to MOD car ad, so Modding Waja is not the thing dat I can do now. Modding car will be later, I might change GTi engine to 4g93t or maybe mivec, but dunno when..lol...

I saw a GTi beside the road just now, it's a R3, very fascinating, interior n exterior, maybe the car is clean, so i think dat way...lol...anyway...the interior is very nice too...gear box..wah..fall in love...lol....

THANKS IN MILLION!

This post has been edited by DaViDcHiN: Apr 27 2007, 12:18 AM

then i'll take waja lor..if not go for gti..

gti is gti, r3 is r3 right? no such thing as gti r3

Dude there is satria GTI R3, its a normal satria gti tweaked with R3 goodies from the R3 team. But now all is sold out.

Glad the TS made his decision. One word of advise, be sure to spend some money to improve the car security coz the satria gti is always on the thief's hotlist.

no need to change the whole engine to MIVEC, juz change the MIVEC head and maintain dat 1.8CC Gti block.. hope u can get a good condition GTi soon..!!!!

The GTi stock engine is powderful enough actually.