Income tax datang mencari uber driver.
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 Nov 22 2017, 09:47 PM, updated 9y ago
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Nov 22 2017, 09:48 PM
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Yes, they should not be exempted.
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Nov 22 2017, 09:48 PM
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Kekeke, they thought they could escape
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Nov 22 2017, 09:49 PM
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But UBER no give payslip, how to fill in tax returns?
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Nov 22 2017, 09:50 PM
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Why would they be exempted in the first place?
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Nov 22 2017, 09:50 PM
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i wonder how they gonna declare that income? after less the expenses?.. got profit n loss account?
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Nov 22 2017, 09:51 PM
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Lol...u think u can lepas ke...aigoo...its all about $$$$$
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Nov 22 2017, 09:52 PM
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After deduct maintenance and petrol the untung bersih is very low for the effort needed.
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Nov 22 2017, 09:54 PM
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Fuck. Will be pretty unfair for them as they're not companies, so can't minus out their operating expenses.
What they get net from Uber will be their income. No column for private citizens to deduct their expenses for petrol and maintenance. |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 09:54 PM) Fuck. Will be pretty unfair for them as they're not companies, so can't minus out their operating expenses. Good time as any for them to register companies for themselvesWhat they get net from Uber will be their income. No column for private citizens to deduct their expenses for petrol and maintenance.  |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 09:54 PM) Fuck. Will be pretty unfair for them as they're not companies, so can't minus out their operating expenses. Can register as individual with business income. This happened to me when my income from property rentals exceeded my salary and LHDN did it automatically. So I can deduct maintenance fees etc. as business expenses.What they get net from Uber will be their income. No column for private citizens to deduct their expenses for petrol and maintenance. |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:04 PM
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Beli receipt workshop banyak-banyak & claim car maintenance > uber income.
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Nov 22 2017, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(red streak @ Nov 22 2017, 10:02 PM) Good time as any for them to register companies for themselves They'll need to register with Uber as a sole proprietor and not as a private citizen. Not sure if that's allowed by Uber. |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Nov 22 2017, 10:03 PM) Can register as individual with business income. This happened to me when my income from property rentals exceeded my salary and LHDN did it automatically. So I can deduct maintenance fees etc. as business expenses. OK. Good to know then. |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE SOALAN LAZIM BORANG B S1: Siapakah yang perlu mengisi Borang B? J1: Borang B perlu diisi oleh individu yang bermastautin di Malaysia dan menjalankan perniagaan di dalam tahun yang ditaksir. S2: Apakah perbezaan di antara Borang BE dan B? J2: Borang BE - pendapatan di bawah Sek 4(b) – 4(f) Akta Cukai Pendapatan 1967 dan diisi oleh individu pemastautin yang mempunyai punca pendapatan selain daripada perniagaan. Borang B - pendapatan di bawah Sek 4(a) – 4(f) Akta Cukai Pendapatan 1967 dan diisi oleh individu yang mempunyai punca pendapatan perniagaan (tunggal) atau perkongsian. S3: Bolehkah saya melaporkan pendapatan perniagaan saya jika saya menerima Borang BE? J3: Tidak boleh. Pendapatan perniagaan perlu dilaporkan dalam Borang B. S4: Bolehkah saya melaporkan pendapatan penggajian saya jika saya menerima Borang B? J4: Borang B boleh digunakan untuk melaporkan pendapatan penggajian. Tetapi Borang B dengan punca penggajian sahaja mestilah dihantar sebelum atau pada 30hb April. Jika ada baki cukai kena dibayar, bayaran cukai juga perlu di bayar sebelum atau pada 30hb April. Walau bagaimanapun tuan digalakkan untuk menggunaka n borang yang betul iaitu Borang BE. S5: Bilakah tarikh akhir mengembalikan Borang B? J5: Tarikh akhir pengembalian Borang B ialah pada 30 Jun setiap tahun. basically change it to borang B and can lapur on 30jun instead of april |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 10:06 PM) OK. Good to know then. The guy's problem is that he probably didn't keep good records of fuel purchases etc. LHDN will also want you to account for fuel usage for private use and for UBER work purposes. Most people probably won't be able to do that. |
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Nov 22 2017, 10:18 PM
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Get advise from tax agent. They know how to pusing.
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Nov 22 2017, 10:22 PM
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u think u can escape the system?
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Nov 22 2017, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Nov 22 2017, 10:11 PM) The guy's problem is that he probably didn't keep good records of fuel purchases etc. LHDN will also want you to account for fuel usage for private use and for UBER work purposes. Most people probably won't be able to do that. Maybe can see the mileage driven for Uber, then claim on that. Include wear and tear into the amount. Something like RM 0.80/km. Include maintenance, tyres, petrol, spare parts etc. I think it's quite reasonable. |
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Nov 22 2017, 11:25 PM
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And I'm still missing 2 earnings statements from Crab... Some more their statements show fares collected as gross, but incentives earned as net... Can I tell the taxman that I didn't drive for that 2 weeks? Doesn't make sense also, right? Should have statement that says earned zero for those 2 weeks.
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Nov 23 2017, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 22 2017, 09:50 PM) i wonder how they gonna declare that income? after less the expenses?.. got profit n loss account? No doc..no account..no problem. Just accept whatever best judgement from income tax. |
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Nov 23 2017, 01:56 AM
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Doing Uber here in malacca, 2h+ get RM20+ only, my fuel ¼ gone. Full tank is rm80.
Making a loss 
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Nov 23 2017, 02:19 AM
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better be a driver for vip.....less work,more pay and get to drive nice cars
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Nov 23 2017, 02:49 AM
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The duty is on the driver to keep records of payments and etc.. grab account has the gross earnings of d driver.. on expenses grab drivers need to have legible receipts and proof..of maintenance.. petrol.. etc.. failure of such is considered no proof.. grab drivers cars are less than 5 years mostly are under warranty as such receipt arevthere with further gst by service center ... sure to tally
They will declare as personal income tax bracket like enterprise.. I heard grab hits 10k gross a month.. a year is 120k.. category 24% income tax |
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Nov 23 2017, 03:23 AM
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senang nak hidup nampak. untung ribu2 goyang kote je.
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Nov 23 2017, 06:30 AM
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My friend wanted to get a loan from bank, so he went to grab and Uber office to get income statement....nope, no such thing, they will not provide you that info. You have only the emails they send or the apps history earnings records.
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Nov 23 2017, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 23 2017, 01:56 AM) Doing Uber here in malacca, 2h+ get RM20+ only, my fuel ¼ gone. Full tank is rm80. Drive in KV or JB better Making a loss
QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 23 2017, 06:30 AM) My friend wanted to get a loan from bank, so he went to grab and Uber office to get income statement....nope, no such thing, they will not provide you that info. You have only the emails they send or the apps history earnings records. Haha i love gray area biznez |
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 Nov 23 2017, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 22 2017, 10:07 PM) basically change it to borang B and can lapur on 30jun instead of april haha interesting  QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Nov 22 2017, 10:22 PM) u think u can escape the system? migrate switzerland http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publicati...itzerland.shtml tax free all the way https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06...d-tax-haven.asp so many famous celebs have setup their tent in snowy alps already  1 decade news but still relevant 2 this day hahahaha http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49...witzerland.html |
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Nov 23 2017, 07:43 AM
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Petrol up, income tax also have. Better stop doing uber and grab.
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Nov 23 2017, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 10:04 PM) They'll need to register with Uber as a sole proprietor and not as a private citizen. Not sure if that's allowed by Uber. considered as business income, so can deduct business expenses |
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Nov 23 2017, 08:03 AM
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Dafuq is incomtex
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Nov 23 2017, 08:49 AM
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i don think driver wan lari inkamtex..calculation will be confusing since its totally different from makan gaji.
soon no more parttimers..with tax,inspection,insurance introduce later, only ex-taxi driver can survive driving for uber/grab |
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Nov 23 2017, 09:18 AM
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Tu la, when starting that time keep on posting on Facebook 1 month can make 8k+ per month, now income tax coming for their cut liao. Stupid ka, think that Uber income no need declare income tax.
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Nov 23 2017, 09:24 AM
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Just fill in the e-filing. Pusing your income so that no tax will be imposed.
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Nov 23 2017, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 10:27 PM) Maybe can see the mileage driven for Uber, then claim on that. Include wear and tear into the amount. Something like RM 0.80/km. Include maintenance, tyres, petrol, spare parts etc. I think it's quite reasonable. Trust me, that won't work. They want black and white copy from petrol station. Uber driver will definitely make loses |
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Nov 23 2017, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(SabunDettol @ Nov 23 2017, 08:06 AM) Psl diorg xkecoh mcm pundek drivers yg baru dpt untung 3ribu dah post dlm fb pegang duit mcm jakun. Kan dh pandan muka THIS.next time, just diam-diam and do whatever you want with that extra money quietly la. no need to show off at FB or social medias.  |
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Nov 23 2017, 09:32 AM
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Was just wondering, if income under business, minyak boleh claim allowable deduction ka?
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Nov 23 2017, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 09:54 PM) Fuck. Will be pretty unfair for them as they're not companies, so can't minus out their operating expenses. Can la. Your petrol and car maintenance is tax deductible...What they get net from Uber will be their income. No column for private citizens to deduct their expenses for petrol and maintenance. |
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Nov 23 2017, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 23 2017, 01:56 AM) Doing Uber here in malacca, 2h+ get RM20+ only, my fuel ¼ gone. Full tank is rm80. from where to where??? fuhhh 2 hours only rm20Making a loss
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Nov 23 2017, 09:41 AM
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There's even a special section in Perkeso online for UBER/Grab... you really can't escape.
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Nov 23 2017, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Nov 22 2017, 09:54 PM) Fuck. Will be pretty unfair for them as they're not companies, so can't minus out their operating expenses. I also use my car, maintenance and petrol to go to work. And i also taxed on my net salary so?What they get net from Uber will be their income. No column for private citizens to deduct their expenses for petrol and maintenance. This post has been edited by terradrive: Nov 23 2017, 09:48 AM |
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Nov 23 2017, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Nov 23 2017, 09:28 AM) Trust me, that won't work. They want black and white copy from petrol station. Uber driver will definitely make loses That's too bad then. You can do it if you're a sdn bhd, though and you can show you're using it for commercial activities.QUOTE(Knight_2008 @ Nov 23 2017, 09:35 AM) Can la. Your petrol and car maintenance is tax deductible... I guess if they fill in Form B? But do you need to register for a sole proprietorship to do that?QUOTE(terradrive @ Nov 23 2017, 09:42 AM) I also use my car, maintenance and petrol to go to work. And i also taxed on my net salary so? That's a small sum compared to what the drivers pay, and it's considered private travel. Everyone needs to get to work and means is up to you. If your company asks you to go from office to customer's place and back, that's using your transportation to derive income and you can claim back from your company, and your company can deduct it as a cost of doing business.Grab drivers are driving to derive their income. It's a cost of them doing business. Therefore, it should be deductible. Same reason why you can deduct rental for your shop lot but not your private residence. |
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Nov 23 2017, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Nov 23 2017, 09:38 AM) from where to where??? fuhhh 2 hours only rm20 
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Nov 23 2017, 01:02 PM
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haha... smart Govenment. Allow Uber in parliament, make it look legit. Then collect tax! I give u some, u give me some la...
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Nov 23 2017, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 23 2017, 12:19 PM)
seems u work for free |
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Nov 23 2017, 01:18 PM
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uber drivers making big bucks?
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Nov 23 2017, 01:30 PM
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kerajaan mau wang, mana2 pun gali...
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Nov 23 2017, 01:38 PM
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after deducting petrol + maintenance most prolly wont have to pay taxes ..
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Nov 23 2017, 01:46 PM
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The issue of technicality remains.
1) Uber and Grab is legalised on 27th July 2017 sos bintang Meaning Uber and Grab is not legal prior to that. do one have to pay tax if the income is derived from illegal activity? 2) The tax is more punishing on part time drivers. Those who have already a job/salary and drives for part time. for example, if that driver is /k standard salary in 24% tax bracket than his Uber income will be Gross fare - 25% uber fees - 24% income tax - petrol - maintenance - time - telephone call - data charges = FARK LHDN lor, con9lan7firm rugi job |
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Nov 23 2017, 01:49 PM
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i just know this will be coming, later on LHDN will come after all those side income and ppl who is selling in forums
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Nov 24 2017, 08:59 AM
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pay tax good for development.
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Nov 24 2017, 09:08 AM
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Because Uber is a business, that also has to file income tax, the payments to the drivers are their expense and IRB will use that info to go chase drivers.
IRB already has the details of payments made to the drivers so now waiting for drivers to respond only. See which ones dare to under declare or don't declare lol |
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Nov 24 2017, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(lurkerxxx @ Nov 24 2017, 01:49 AM) The TS email is asking for driver to report for which Tax Year Assessment one? If you did not receive the email, just forget about it.Fark la I drove for a week long time ago in 2015, only earn like rm100 and i dont rmb declaring it during e filing No need to worry about RM100 My guess, LHDN is now throwing shitz on the wall and see which piece sticks. |
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