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timothyy
post Apr 22 2007, 08:31 PM

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HDMI cable is digital.

What is "0" and what is "1" already been fixed.
In Digital transmission, its either u get the number or you don't at all. There is no half half.
Unless the cable is broken, the signal should be the same for good cables and normal cables.
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post Apr 23 2007, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Apr 23 2007, 04:32 AM)
Maybe the expensive one can send a higher bit rate without loss. Just speculate, never touch this hdmi thingy before. biggrin.gif
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Donno and you wanna give comment? Danger la.

The torch light theory is a nice way of putting it... Yeah!!
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post Apr 23 2007, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Apr 23 2007, 10:36 AM)
Well i said maybe. It is at least plausible. Heheh.
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:12 PM

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I bought a cheap S Video cable... RM55 for 20m.

Hmmm... I am having problem with it as the wiring inside is not so good... picture come out sometime and sometime no.

So, getting a good cables might just reassure you that it won't spoil easily.
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post Apr 23 2007, 05:18 PM

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Do you really need shielding for HDMI?
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post Apr 24 2007, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Apr 24 2007, 11:08 AM)
There's a limit actually, branded HDMI cables from QED and Wireworld will cap its length to 15 metres. If you're running 1080P signals, it's note advisable to use a lenghty HDMI cable and besides, why do you need 100m for? It's not that you'll put your player downstairs and your HDTV panel upstairs.  hmm.gif

I guess for normal 1m is more than enough and for projectors, I think 5m to 10m will be more than enough. HDMI cables are just like speakers cables, the shorter, the better.
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May be he is working in the hotel line leh?
Anyway, a lot of engineering calculation on cable length, resistance hve to be involved before any of us dare to comment when the cable is too long.

But for basic home use, don't think we will have problem.

But your question has been answered.<-- That is, nope-Quality of HDMI cable does not affect the image quality.
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post Apr 24 2007, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Apr 24 2007, 01:39 PM)
Already bought last month. Too bad for me you didn't offer earlier.


Added on April 24, 2007, 1:43 pm
Those with shielding are just marketing gimmick, to justify charging more. HDMI not affected by interference so won't make a diff cheap or expensive.


Added on April 24, 2007, 1:47 pm

You are off topic lah  biggrin.gif . S-Video is analog cable where signal strength and quality plays an important part in picture quality unlike HDMI.

Added on April 24, 2007, 1:50 pm

As long as the 100m one can transmit the signal strong enough over the long distance to be detected by the receiver the PQ will be the same.
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Aiyo... u got me wrong la... I am referring to cheap vs expensive cables conection quality. The S Video is just an example that I got what I paid for...

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post Oct 28 2007, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(ken3011 @ Oct 28 2007, 01:25 PM)
although it is digital but if the shield protection not enuf good it also will interrence with other.. so if more expensive 1 the 1 0 1 0 wit sent smoothly
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Elo... where got such thing one?
If got interference... meaning you lose your picture.
Ever see those pirate VCD? Those checkers thing? Those are when your signals not smooth. But you won't get noise distort or what.

Or for layman... you are supposed to see Jessica Alba's face but end up, you see Badawi come out. Coz its totally different signal come out.
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post Oct 29 2007, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Oct 29 2007, 10:15 AM)
From technical point of view,cheap and expensive cables do have the differences,no matter it's for digital or analog.

Cables are consist of resistance,capacitance and inductance which will 'influence' any signal pass through them.Depends on what type/speed of the signal,difference may be significant or not so.

And don't forget shielding capability of the cables too.
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Correct if if I am wrong. And in terms of technicality, I am quite noob.
But what do you mean by
"From technical point of view,cheap and expensive cables do have the differences,no matter it's for digital or analog.?

A conductor is a conductor. And in terms of digital... a 1010 is a 1010 or no signal at all.
So, if a digital signal is bad coz by "influence", it should either have signal or no signal.

So, in your explaination... technically, how can cheap or expensive cables "influence" the performance?

Please advise. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 31 2007, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(mavric @ Oct 31 2007, 06:12 PM)
ah cable discussion! i like....

i posted this question at another thread..maybe here would be more appropriate.

those free hdmi cables that comes together when we purchase dvd player/lcd/plasma.....how good are they?

i know PQ and sound is subjective and obviously can't compare these HDMI freebies with monster cables..qed etc but just wondering how would u guys rate such freebies.

i got a free hdmi cable from sharp..it's called evo. have yet to put it to use and wondering if it's worth the extra investment to get so called 'better' HDMI cables
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You can.

Expensive digital cable is just to make money.

Strangely... why can't you guys understand the difference between digital and analogue?
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post Nov 3 2007, 05:01 PM

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Got signal... got picture... no signal. no picture.
So, our so called theory is still correct.

Cheap or expensive... it will not affect the quality of the picture. That's all.
But yeah... cheap quality cable might just fail you. MIGHT!
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post Nov 6 2007, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Nov 4 2007, 07:01 AM)
Digital is digital...1 and 0 of info... HDMI is essentially SL-DVI ... there is no distinction whether the 1 and 0 travels through gold/sliver/platinum or even plain copper/tin/graphite... No HDMI cable should cost more than an ordinary SL-DVI cable.

A more accurate comparison would be... The same coke from the supermarket or served at a high class restaurant at 10x the price... same liquid in tummy but with a less money in the pocket.
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ya loh...
And I donno why this thread been 4 pages but still cannot conclude...
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post Nov 6 2007, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 6 2007, 10:50 AM)
Pirated audio cd comes from mp3.  If you take an original music cd , rip it off from a good cd writer digitally to wave format and then manufacture it again,it will sound the same.
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And that has anythng to do with HDMI cable? whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jan 8 2008, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(yfyap69 @ Jan 7 2008, 06:22 PM)
Comparing to the other cable I have (RM80 from Tye Huat) I don't see any difference. Maybe my eye and ear not sharp enough to differentiate
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Sure no diff la. Digital cable is digital cable.




Guys... guys... unless your HDMI cable is 20m long (like mine) then the quality of the cable is important... but a mere 1.5m long... close eye also can la.

It is not because what... just that at 20m, if lousy one, the cable might not be connected properly (happened to my S Video) and then, you will waste your money.
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post Nov 19 2008, 09:18 AM

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I bought a RM30 HDMI cable. Cheap cheap and no problem. Anyone care to bring their expensive HDMI to compare?
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post Nov 19 2008, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Nov 19 2008, 09:50 AM)
Guys, read through the pages of this thread. It has been discussed many, many times in this thread, and many other threads. Even in the Audiophilia Objective thread. HDMI is digital. Signal sent is in binary numbers of 0 and 1. Picture or audio quality will not be affected, either you get the signal or not. That's all. The only thing to look for is the physical built quality, durablility, etc.

If we're talking about analogue cables, then yes, different cable could actually bring some difference. What's still debatable is how much improvements each analogue cable can bring versus the price you pay.
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Ha! Ha! Ya loh...
That is why I got the RM30 one.
And just wanna show to ppl... what diff can a good one make compared to my cheapo one.
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post Dec 9 2008, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(myqd @ Dec 8 2008, 03:15 PM)
hehe,sorry sorry boss  tongue.gif  juz read the previous posts till page 7,most answers are "digital is digital,as long as the signal can get through properly,there's no diff in PQ "  smile.gif .

just curious,mind to share what's the hdmi cable u guys using now,the one come free with the BD player ? or < RM100 one ?
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I am using a RM30 got from Lelong.com HDMI cable from my PS3 to my Denon Amp.
Still having the same fun like previously.

Anyway... some of u asked why they make expensive HDMI cables although it is known as digital...

We asked a manufaturer before on similar question (different product la, it was surge arresters for coax cable, i.e. Astro signal cable), and their reply was simple.
When there is demand, here is production.

So, they manufactured it because people demanded it... And the company sells it for RM1000 each. Still lotsa stupd ppl buy.

The story like that lo.





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post Dec 10 2008, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(kamen rider #1 @ Dec 9 2008, 06:36 PM)
Question guys...

When I watch Spiderman 3 BD,

There's noise at black part...

why aaa ?...

i watch with ps3, HD ready, 100hz 32"...

Does the problem come with cheap HDMI ?...

I dont have any other BD to test );
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That is not noise...
It is actually clarity...
If u were to watch on CRT... u see smooth only.
Your LCD is the problem... not the BD...

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post Dec 11 2008, 12:26 AM

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U use S video or component... sure wont see already. He! He! He!
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post Dec 22 2008, 07:09 PM

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Man... u guys are still at this.

Can't u all just accept it?

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