the diff is in the bandwidth capability.. if you are not maxing it out.. then should not have any issues

eh? how come digital cables like HDMI, wah! got people experience improved color brighter, sharper etc? all analog "audiophile type" symptoms

for HDMI cables under 3-5Meters most of all cheapo and expensive ones produced same pass results for 1080p at 12bit color i.e. to pass digital "Eye pattern" tests using tektronix digital analyzer...

from the earlier posted article below.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cable...tion-conclusion

digital artifacts are as such = (described for a super long 65ft HDMI double jointed cable)
"What was occurring was real-time video, but with frequent, rapid-fire areas of snow on the picture which made the movie pretty much unwatchable. Periodically, the entire picture would turn to snow or flicker off for a moment before it came back and attempted to render itself to the best of the double cable's potential."

what kind of results to be more specific? and what length cable between this 2 (FOC vs M1000) ?

yes that's a good conclusion based on length required..
and if the HDMI cable does show problems, they show DIGITAL artifacts like "image snow" or Purple video, video flashing white frames etc.

HDMI DIGITAL cables doesn't give you improved color, improved visual definition, improved Y/C definition etc. those are S-video/component/composite analog cable attributes. I'm gonna laugh to death if another HDMI cable seller start claiming these beneifits for their digital cables..

if the cheapo 10meter cable that you have, doesn't show any problems listed then it's fine to use it.. you won't get better results using something that costs 10x more.. LOL... it's not a video processor to "Add/subtract" or "improve/degrade" any analog video elements into the digital signal..


"If yes,that means even u change to better quality cable which cost 5-10 times more,it wont improve the PQ,not even in brightness,contrast..... ?"

by asking this question, means you don't understand the difference between digital and analog.
no point to go further until we understand what is digital and analog signal concept.. cheers!

1. no need to have expensive cables to know there is no difference. it's digital.
it's like your digital USB2.0 cable or SATA..
you have a file say 10MB size which you copied from hard disk A to harddisk B , suddenly you notice the file size of the file has grown 5% to 10.5MB after the transfer .. or suddenly your Word document which contains 1000words suddenly have extra 10words after transfering to another HDD

this is what these people are saying in relation to improved video quality and different priced HDMI 1.3 cables.... as though the digital signal can "improve" or "degrade" the analog video source, in the traditional manner (i..e improved/degrade analog attributes like contrast, Y/C , etc) used to compare analog video cables.

This post has been edited by ar188: Dec 7 2008, 02:28 PM

ever heard the saying: fools and their money soon depart. Hahaha.
Anyway for normal length 2-3mtr branded hdmi cable between the same brand low end and high end also cant see difference how to justify the diff in price? If want better visuals better spend more on the screen. I..e. tv/proj.


This post has been edited by ar188: Dec 7 2008, 07:03 PM

and just to add, if there is indeed some error on the files or data being transfered, it will be corupted digitally..
as for corrupted HDMI video signal, won't suddenly be less sharp or slightly blur or lower contrast/brightness.. it'll will be very drastic like flashing white frames, sparklies, purple image, snowing etc.. you will know it's something wrong when you see it.

haha liddat also can wan ar?

ask megatron to give u his spare 525 msport key. Hehehe.

yeah sometimes the thickness has to do with the external sheath and shielding, and not the wire cores it self..

as for the BMW... it's between the finance company and the owner whether they pay or not pay or kena tow..
anyone talking like this, sounds like having a big case of inferiority complex... sorry, just my 2 cents..

I did discuss with with mpyw (another big time bluray fan and previously Sony TV supporter)
this movie and a few other BD got lots of "digital grain or specks" showing thro their sony 1080p TVs at the sony store demos, I also dunno why.. maybe the sharpness is dialed maximum??
I really donno this weird phenomena..

yeah something like that.. during certain dark scenes very distracting..

yeah it pretty bad, but I don't think it's the HDMI cable.. maybe the settings in the TV.. but strange the sony shop people can't notice these artifacts wan.. what;'s the use of selling 20k Full HD TVs..

it's very simple, to proof it one and for all, just take photo of the image of of the TV screen.. like they do when comparing projector A and projector B image quality.

cos for video quality , no need the "golden eyes" to see the diff, photo shots with the same room conditions and camera settings and pause at certain scenes can already proof if there is difference or not.
(unlike those mythical golden ears elites when comparing Subwoofer/amp/speaker/CD player)

so far I still haven't come across any professional website/magazine who review the HDMI cables this way (they seem to only review it with the digital signal analyzer for signal integrity)

which is surprising cos they do so this way (image capture) with different projectors to analyze the whole image quality down until sub pixel level quality (like those out of aligment subpixels and even screen door effect)..
so why is that?

if china HDMI1.3b vs Monster cable, I wonder if it's even more "clear"

This post has been edited by ar188: Dec 12 2008, 10:10 PM

wah..rainbow.. you using DLP ar?

looks like exposure levels/lighting conditions from camera's each shot are different... (did you use the SOP** i.e. "graycard" and manual white balance, shot in RAW)

could say that the top one is more white balanced (bottom photo, lefthand blue screen side looks white washed)..
but then again the the bottom one can see more details near the right side, on the darker feathers.. so how?

maybe a rm1k HDMI cable would have best from both images?




"The single WhiBal card is light Gray, certified to recommended Luminance level of L* = ~75, which is optimum for use in all RAW converters.

Having a "GrayCard" reference is the best assurance that the digital pictures that you capture will have the ability to be properly White Balanced. Only with a proper White Balance can you be ensured of proper and accurate color, regardless of lighting conditions. Unlike your eyes, a digital camera does not automatically see whites as white. It sees the color of the light reflected from it, hence blue-ish in Daylight and Orange-ish in incandescent lighting. By photographing a Gray Card reference for each lighting situation that you are in, you are assured of being able to achieve a proper White Balance for all of your pictures.The Gray Card reference picture can be used with today's software to balance the color casts that various lighting conditions produce with all digital cameras. The best method to properly White Balance your digital pictures is by using a Gray Card properly and shooting RAW. RAW Conversion Software such as Adobe Camera Raw and RawShooter can then perfectly adjust all the captures that were shot under the same lighting conditions."

myqd.. off topic, our AE900 can accomodate any firmware updates ar? hehe!

definitely.. as I have mentioned few pages back.. people obsessing too much with the digital cables rather than the screen it self..