Just bought a new HDMI cable to replace my faulty PHILIPS cable.
Costs me RM 180 for 2 meters. Actually didn't feel any difference in terms of picture quality if compare to the more expensive PHILIPS cable.

HDMI cable is digital.

What is "0" and what is "1" already been fixed.
In Digital transmission, its either u get the number or you don't at all. There is no half half.
Unless the cable is broken, the signal should be the same for good cables and normal cables.

You just wasted a fortune on your previous expensive Philips and your current RM180/- purchase.

Just buy a 1.5m RM99/- cable at Lowyat and it will be 100% the same picture quality as whatever expensive HDMI cable because unlike analog signal, digital signal does not depend on signal strength. It's either you get a signal or you don't.

It's just like someone flash a S.O.S signal at you with a torchlight. As long as you can see the signal whether weak or strong you will still interprete the same message.

Yup, u're right. Click here to see what i've found out.
BTW, i just bought a 1.8 m hdmi for RM65 at Sg. Wang and it's flawless.

Wow you found even a cheaper one than me .

If u guys want, I sell to u all at RM30/pc. 1 metre long. Any taker?

Damn !! I didn't know the cable can be so cheap !!

Maybe the expensive one can send a higher bit rate without loss. Just speculate, never touch this hdmi thingy before.

Donno and you wanna give comment? Danger la.

The torch light theory is a nice way of putting it... Yeah!!

Well i said maybe. It is at least plausible. Heheh.

I feel like this now...

I guess those normal HDMI cables are not shielded and constructed with high quality materials but they do get the job done if you're not too fussy about the picture quality.

My 2 cts,

If short, try de cheap ones first and if tat is not too ur liking upgrade to de branded ones lo...

But if setting up for Front PJs then de long ones are a bit of a problem, as even cheap ones given de long lengths will not be so ; and if it is not too your liking and later, getting de better branded ones are going to hurt a hell of a lot more than just getting de better ones outrite...

But tats just me and my pocket talking
Dirtrun

This post has been edited by dirtrun: Apr 23 2007, 11:59 AM

i dont think there would be any difference for a 1m cable but i think there will b some difference when the cable is more than 10m.....i read this in some review saying that there is a correction algorithm in the video processor converting digital to analog where additional bits will be inserted to replace the missing bits during transmission through a series of calculation

previously i have a 12m supra HDMI cable ....the signal lost was so bad that my projector couldnt detect the signal but it works on another projector ...the cable stated that for a 15m supra cable, the maximum transmission capable is only 1080i but it doesnt support 1080p....i have tried several cables(all above 10m) and some of the cables will produce some sparkling pixel.....i was told that this was due to signal loses of the cable ......

in terms of picture quality, the difference between cable is minimal and most of the time u couldnt even tell the difference between each cable.....

R u now saying that cheap and expensive cables DO MAKE a difference in picture quality?

I want... I want... Can COD ah???

Aiya,

If scared to waste money go for de better branded ones straight .... pay for it - for piece of mind but in most instances if de cheaper one can work then you save sum money but if it doesn't then you have no choice to buy de branded anyway unless you wanna junk de player or go lower connectivity...unless you can borrow to test out first but who is gonna do tat - most buy tis type of cables for a purpose - to use so you wont be able to test ...

For instance I asked around before I bought any hardware on de type of Pj used with de source player and HDMI cable used and even though I ended up wif de diff Pj wif a diff source player too(was looking at panny pjs and denon 1920/30) my 10m hdmi cable works fine (but then again I paid a hell of a lot for it...)

Cheers
Dirtrun

I bought a cheap S Video cable... RM55 for 20m.

Hmmm... I am having problem with it as the wiring inside is not so good... picture come out sometime and sometime no.

So, getting a good cables might just reassure you that it won't spoil easily.

it can be repair if the failure is at the plug place.
but i found some nice quality S-video plug.
which the plug alone is enough for u to get another 20 m of it.
think think so no point repair also.
haha

Bestest brand for HDMI cables would be in my view simply, MOLEX, cheap, shielded and with good materials, you can't go wrong with them since they bloody wrote the standard for connections in HDMI. Around around 80 will get you a great interconnect from them.

Although finding them might be an issue since only electronics retailers carry them.

Do you really need shielding for HDMI?

IIRC they only specify it for longer ranges and the connectors. Although i'd like to make the point that it is the problem of the signalling itself rather than the evironmentals that make up the bulk of the transmission issue.

Since HDMI is a digital cable, 1m and 100m cable will have no impact in quality?

As long as the voltage level remain readable. The simplest answer is NO.

There's a limit actually, branded HDMI cables from QED and Wireworld will cap its length to 15 metres. If you're running 1080P signals, it's note advisable to use a lenghty HDMI cable and besides, why do you need 100m for? It's not that you'll put your player downstairs and your HDTV panel upstairs.

I guess for normal 1m is more than enough and for projectors, I think 5m to 10m will be more than enough. HDMI cables are just like speakers cables, the shorter, the better.

May be he is working in the hotel line leh?
Anyway, a lot of engineering calculation on cable length, resistance hve to be involved before any of us dare to comment when the cable is too long.

But for basic home use, don't think we will have problem.

But your question has been answered.<-- That is, nope-Quality of HDMI cable does not affect the image quality.

Already bought last month. Too bad for me you didn't offer earlier.

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Added on April 24, 2007, 1:43 pmThose with shielding are just marketing gimmick, to justify charging more. HDMI not affected by interference so won't make a diff cheap or expensive.

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Added on April 24, 2007, 1:47 pmYou are off topic lah . S-Video is analog cable where signal strength and quality plays an important part in picture quality unlike HDMI.

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Added on April 24, 2007, 1:50 pmAs long as the 100m one can transmit the signal strong enough over the long distance to be detected by the receiver the PQ will be the same.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Apr 24 2007, 01:55 PM

Aiyo... u got me wrong la... I am referring to cheap vs expensive cables conection quality. The S Video is just an example that I got what I paid for...

Not sure what you meant by connection quality.

Anyway using analog to compare with digital cable physical quality is not appropriate.

Since analog cable PQ is dependent very much on the physical quality of the cable itself, even a slight degradation can make a diff in PQ.

On the other hand digital cable will only lose signal with a very poor quality cable at a minimum threshold point . The signal just won't get detected and there will be no picture.

Anything above the minimum quality, whether it's a very good cable or just a so-so cable will give you the exact same picture quality.

So if you buy a HDMI cable don't buy one which is so cheap and poor that no signal can be detected.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Apr 24 2007, 02:16 PM

Can. Just PM me

Very well explained.

Just bought a cheap no brand HDMI cable for RM40 and it is working fine. Found the cheapest branded is panasonic for RM89. Very tempting but i suspect the result is the same.

Let's put it this way. If the cable is not good quality and becomes defective (i.e losing signal etc.) after months, years or probably never, you can always buy another better one with the savings you have made with your current purchase. By that time even the branded ones will have come down sharply in price as more and more people become aware of the truth behind HDMI cables and PQ.

Mind sharing with us where you get the cable.

Read the earlier posts. 'Htaki' is selling for only RM30/- each.

It depends on how you view such cables, to me, whether the signal is analog or digital, a good cable will always give you good results, it's not a marketing gimmick as you claimed even though, you'll say it is madness to spend thousands on a good cable. If you're talking about HDMI cable, try bringing yours to CMY Sungei Wang and try their QED HDMI-P cable for a start, that's around RM450 (can still nego lah), try to compare the quality on their plasma. They're willing to demo it to you. That day I was asking them about their Siltech SPX-20 (around RM900) and QED Conduit (around RM400 plus) power cords, they played Eagle's Hotel California song and tested these two cables and also the stock power cord that came with the Cambridge Audio's cd player. The openess, mids and highs can be immediately felt on the pricier Siltech power cord, QED did improve on the sound but not as much as the latter. I do believe that good cables can give an extra boost to the picture and sound quality but some may argue that with the money, you can either get a better display or player. Well, that's up to you to judge actually.

I got it from SS2 Legend... but Tong kong is selling pana cable for 89

Here is something regarding HDMI cables. It doesn't seem to be as simple as 0 or 1 only because it carries differential signals in cable pairs. Anyone got a chance verify it for 1080P signal ?

HDMI Part 8 - Cables for 1.3

That's a different specification (1.3) you are comparing altogether. Different specs require different cable requirements due to the higher transmission speeds. When 1.3 becomes mainstream in the future for more advanced HDMI features than it will require higher quality cables because of the higher speeds. The LCD-TV must also be HDMI 1.3 ready to support the new specs.

In the meantime Current mainstream specs are only 1.0-1.2 and our discussions are based on that, so can't compare with 1.3 that way.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Apr 26 2007, 11:07 AM

Thanks... can you get 720p and 1080i with this cable? Is the plug gold plated?

I've tried hdmi cable from Roger ($100) and Supra (~$400). Can't really differentiate the differences in quality with my AV setup at home. That's why I opt for a cheap cable.

As far as I know, Wireworld, QED and Audioquest HDMI cables are certified to carry 1080P signals. I'm not sure whether normal HDMI cables will be able to carry such signals without any signals degraded.

I am not sure about those cables you mentioned, but aren't those power chords you are talking about? Are they even related to HDMI? Power cords have a direct relation to the receiver electrical power itself and not related to HDMI data digital connection to DVD player

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Added on April 26, 2007, 11:24 amEven if cheap 'normal' HDMI cables are unable to carry 1080 signals (based on ver 1-2 HDMI specs) which is unlikely, there will just be a loss of signal, that's all. Probably a blank screen with a 'No Signal' indicator. You won't get a more blurry image or a dull image etc. That's what I have been trying to say about HDMI cables all this while.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Apr 26 2007, 11:31 AM

although it is digital but if the shield protection not enuf good it also will interrence with other.. so if more expensive 1 the 1 0 1 0 wit sent smoothly

Elo... where got such thing one?
If got interference... meaning you lose your picture.
Ever see those pirate VCD? Those checkers thing? Those are when your signals not smooth. But you won't get noise distort or what.

Or for layman... you are supposed to see Jessica Alba's face but end up, you see Badawi come out. Coz its totally different signal come out.

You guys should just get HDMI cables from Play-Asia.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-2q-77-...mi-70-1z5x.html

This deluxe cable is just RM27 and its 3 metres long. Free shipping to Malaysia too. All of my stuff from Play-Asia came after 5-8 days. Quality-wise, a lot of people who bought it loves it. 1080p max and no signal loss.

From technical point of view,cheap and expensive cables do have the differences,no matter it's for digital or analog.

Cables are consist of resistance,capacitance and inductance which will 'influence' any signal pass through them.Depends on what type/speed of the signal,difference may be significant or not so.

And don't forget shielding capability of the cables too.

Correct if if I am wrong. And in terms of technicality, I am quite noob.
But what do you mean by
"From technical point of view,cheap and expensive cables do have the differences,no matter it's for digital or analog.?

A conductor is a conductor. And in terms of digital... a 1010 is a 1010 or no signal at all.
So, if a digital signal is bad coz by "influence", it should either have signal or no signal.

So, in your explaination... technically, how can cheap or expensive cables "influence" the performance?

Please advise.

Here's my take on this issue.

Although quality of cables might affect the signal, but as far as Digital is concerned it's all or nothing. Even if a signal is poor but as long as it is carried through intact it will be the same as using quality cables.

A strong signal carrying a digital 10001 will be exactly the same as a weak signal carrying 10001. That's because the 10001 itself is the info, not the strength of it.

If the signal is so weak as to produce errors then the Digital info will be corrupted. If the built-in error correction can't recover the error you will get a No Signal error or something similar.

There won't be a halfway, like a blurry pic or a less colourful pic. In digital world it's all or nothing.

For Analog it's different. The quality of the image itself is dependent on the signal. So the better the quality of the signal the better the image.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Oct 29 2007, 07:09 PM

Well, you should do less worrying about the quality of the HDMI cable, rule of the thumb, the cable should be around 5% to 10% the amount of your hardware so if you're using for example, a Denon 3930 dvd player, your HDMI cable should around RM190 to RM380 price range but if you're using a Cap Ayam dvd player from Tesco costing RM99, don't bother getting a Monster Cable HDMI cable as you won't see any difference at all.

LOL I should be looking for a hdmi cable worth Rm40-50 then.

Digital signals are not just 1001101,but also consist of various clocks/timings/pulse with lengths,don't you guys agree????

until now I m still not sure....haha.

My point is there will be differences between cheap and expensive cables,no matter they are for digital or analog.

The main point is whether the differences are SIGNIFICANT or so MINOR,which can be considered as NELIGIBLE.

Cuz there is no such thing as 'NO DIFFERENT' when a signal pass through a cable,but just 'BIG DIFFERENT' or 'SO SMALL DIFFERENT'.

No one is doubing there is a difference in quality of signal using different cables.

But Like I have mentioned so many times, in Digital data the quality of the signal (or lack of it) won't cause a dimmer picture or a blurry pic etc. It will just cause a complete corruption of data resulting in errors.

Do you know that each pixel is represented by a series of 10001....etc. If the poor quality of cable causes just one bit to be interpreted as a 0 instead of 1 it will mean a completely different thing than the original. Example let's say 100001 is wronlgy interpreted as 000001. It will become nonsense data, nothing related to the original data.

If , assuming there is no error correction for the sake of argument, then the screen will probably just be filled with random coloured pixels or square blocks that has nothing to do with the original picture in the first place. There won't be a halfway.

So coming back to digital data, if a poor quality cable can still interprete 10001 as 10001 without errors, then the data will be exactly the same as a Super Duper cable which also interpretes 10001 as 10001.

So the rule of digital data is, even if different quality cables result in diff signal strength, the 10001 carried by a weak cable is still the same 10001 carried by a strong cable (provided there is no error).

This post has been edited by Ngto: Oct 31 2007, 10:43 AM

ah cable discussion! i like....

i posted this question at another thread..maybe here would be more appropriate.

those free hdmi cables that comes together when we purchase dvd player/lcd/plasma.....how good are they?

i know PQ and sound is subjective and obviously can't compare these HDMI freebies with monster cables..qed etc but just wondering how would u guys rate such freebies.

i got a free hdmi cable from sharp..it's called evo. have yet to put it to use and wondering if it's worth the extra investment to get so called 'better' HDMI cables

You can.

Expensive digital cable is just to make money.

Strangely... why can't you guys understand the difference between digital and analogue?

Ya loh. Just only explained above, and immediately the next post after mine still ask about the difference in HDMI cables ...

This post has been edited by Ngto: Oct 31 2007, 09:15 PM

I guess this is not the proper way to compare HDMI cables because most of you feel that they're the same whether it is a Cap Ayam brand or a branded one. Certain brands like Monster Cable for example has HDMI cables with a length of 12 metres and above and it can still output 1080p signals with no problems but try using a Cap Ayam brand, you'll notice that there's nothing on the screen. There are many cheap Made In China HDMI cables costing only RM50 for a 7 metre length but what most people didn't realise is that such cables can't carry HD resolutions at this length, it works fine with 480p but not with 720p. When you manage to get one, then you'll know where branded HDMI cables will shine.

Next, if you know, uncompressed audio is transmitted via HDMI and we're talking about a very large bandwidth involved here so that the signal strength must be strong and stable, the resistance in the cable must be kept to a minimum. No two HDMI cables carry the same bandwidth as they're made with different materials and if you're using them merely for an upscaling dvd player or video game consoles, you won't notice any difference until you're passing uncompressed audio to those next-gen amps which are already out in the market now.

Most people think that as long as it's digital, it doesn't matter that much but for the trained ears, you can detect the difference. It's true even for coaxial and optical cables too, better ones do make a difference but if you're having a budget setup, then it's not feasible to get expensive cables as a poor source won't do any good even if you have high quality cables. Lets not argue about this, just suit your pocket, if you feel that it's not worth dumping extra $$$ on cables, then lets just move on.

Good idea. There's no point arguing with audiophile lunatics, especailly those who think that a RM900 1 meter power cord can perceivably influence a player's sound (notwithstanding that electricity is supplied with gimmick-free cabling from the nearest neighborhood TNB station kilometers away!).

Anyway, my take in this is that if a cheap cable works out for you, keep using it. The risk with buying a cheap cable is that you may have to buy a second cable if it turns out that it doesn't work (and thus spend more) or when your requirements increase. It has happened to me before when the 5m cable for hooking my DVI-D monitor to the computer in the closet didn't work past 800x600.

You got a good point here,sunauto.

But we weren't talking about extreme length of cables.

You have just reinforced what I have been saying. If the HDMI cable is too long you just don't get a signal that's all. There's no in between like a blur pic or a dull pic.

Most cap ayam brand even up to 5 meters can carry a signal without problem. So whether Cap Ayam or Expensive Cables there's no diffference.

As for Optical and Coaxial, I don't want to comment there because both are using different technologies. The peculiarities of the implementation of the signals and the conversion of the signals to analog might give rise to some differences.

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Added on November 1, 2007, 10:11 amPower chords has nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were discussing digital HDMI signals on different quality cables.

If I buy a cheap RM30/- HDMI cable and it loses signal after 1 year, I just buy another one.

I still save tons of money rather than buying an expensive one which does the same thing

Cheap HDMI cables = If it works, it works. No difference with Super Duper Cable.

Cheap HDMI cables = If it doesn't work, just loss of signal that's all (Image won't dim or blur). Buy a better one. Still cheaper than buy an expensive one.

Peace, Just friendly discussion.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 1 2007, 10:14 AM

Question:- where can I get cheap cap ayam dvi to hdmi cable? approx 3m will do.

Try the computer shops like All IT Hypermart. They might have. But not too sure they are cap Ayam or not.

It's easier to find Cap Ayam HDMI Cable nowadays, but for DVI-HDMI converter cable not as common, so don't know much about Cap Ayam.


This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 1 2007, 11:09 AM

How about explanation like this ??

Expensive Cable: Got image
Cheap Cable: No image or got image

After few years

Expensive Cable: Still got image
Cheap Cable: Might be no image output

HAHAHAHa

Haha not that bad lah. . Only if really extremely bad quality, or very long length, then no image.

If you are buying just 2 meter length cap ayam cable it shouldn't have any problem at all. Maybe can even last longer than your TV. Just don't damage the cable especially the connection ends that's all. If you buy longer than 3m then better get better quality ones.

Don't worry, even if no image after few years can buy another cheap one. By that time even very expensive ones already become cheap. So save a lot of money in long run. Price difference now between cheap cable and very expensive cable can be >5 times the price.

Most important is both Cheap and Expensive cable also give the same image quality.

The cost of the HDMI cable must be justifiable to your system setup. no point buying hi-end HDMI which cost near to a thousand when you are just using HTiB system costing RM2-3K or so connected to a 32".

In this case, a normal or mid-range HDMI will do the job.

I just believe a high grade cable will give the best picture quality when partnered with the right equipment. I have done A-B comparisons before so there's a difference in picture quality, it's not about whether the picture appears or not, you have to look closely, the finer details in the background, the noise, colour saturation, blah, blah, blah. Of course, if your HT setup is in the budget range, most likely these cables won't do much difference to your HT setup and you might be cursing non-stop that these cables don't work at all. A high grade cable will be made with the best materials and some with silver plating, 24K gold plated connectors.

Even for power cords, they're neither analogue or digital but a better power cord will make a difference. To convince yourself that they do make a difference, try going to CMY Sungei Way (the other outlet on the top floor), find this guy, Richard. You can make an A to B comparison with their QED, Siltech or Richard Gray power cords, QED HDMI cables, bring your own software and test it on their HT setup, you'll be amazed wit what you're hearing and seeing. Of course, you can go to A&L Sungei Wang as well to try out their Audioquest stuff. Well, even my old Supra power cords connected to my pc gaming rig, made a difference in the picture and sound quality. It's not necessary that such cables are expensive as there are some which are value for money and rated editor's choice too.

Since talking about cables can also turn into a heated argument. Well, I rest my case here. It's your money, it's your call but I believe what's best for myself. For me I wouldn't want to mess up my HT setup which I've spent a fortune on, I wouldn't want a few 'Cap Ayam' cables to hold it back.

Not really heated argument, don't take it the wrong way . Just that some of us are expressing different opinions that's all.

When testing it need to be done on same display using same player and same input. That's because different inputs can have different memory settings. One can even adjust one HDMI input to make cap ayam look better than an Expensive cable on another HDMI input on the same panel. You never know the tricks used.

The best is to ask someone to randomly connect the player to the same HDMI input using the Cap Ayam and the Expensive cable while your back is turned. Do it 5 to 10 times randomly without the person telling you which cable he is using. HE then notes down the sequence and you also notes down what your guess is.

Then compare whether you have got it 100% correct. If you have mixed results then all I can say is it's all in your mind

I also realised I have dwelled to much on this topic. So I guess I have said all I have to say. Just realised that some people here might be selling these expensive cables, so don't want to affect their ricebowl with my comments

This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 3 2007, 02:40 AM

i know a richard in CMY Pyramid. Not sure if it's the same guy you are referring to. Maybe transferred there or whatever....

I will say get cables from reputable brands than getting those unknown brands costing thousands and not a single review in the magazines. There are those so called branded cables, imported from Sweden lah, Germany lah, blah, blah, blah .... they dun even have a website but some shops will tell you, they're better than Monster Cable, VDH, IXOS, Wireworld, Cardas, etc. Most Hi-Fi shops think we're waterfish by pushing unknown brands to us, have went to a few Hi-Fi shops in KL, some of them tried to push these rubbish to me. They didn't know I won't fall for their tricks.

Cap Ayam cables also got good quality ones but you need to test it on the spot to see if it lives up to your expectation, not all Cap Ayam cables are bad but I'm saying the majority ones in the market are bad so it leaves a very bad impression when we mention about Cap Ayam ones. I noticed, we'll have less problems with Cap Ayam audio cables, digital cables and analogue video cables (i.e. s-video, component video) than HDMI or DVI cables. My friend bought a HDMI cable at a very cheap price from Japan Pasar, RM25 for 3 metres and you'll be surprised to know, it can't do 1080i / 1080p, the screen will go blank but it's okay if played at 720p resolution and below. The shop refused to replace or refund back his money saying that they don't guarantee such cables to work at high resolution. Very dishonest I must say.

Ngto is right, whatever cables we wanna buy, definitely must test kaw kaw before buying, no point buying something that doesn't improve even a little bit in the picture or sound quality department. I usually bring my own softwares to test and I'll inspect everything as well, I'll make sure that they're actually using the cable I want to test, some Hi-Fi shops have a bypass switch hidden somewhere. Unsuspecting buyers will kena for sure especially when they're testing a pair of small speakers, they have a subwoofer hidden nearby which is actually connected to the amp so people might think that wow, such small speakers can produce such good bass, imagine go home and test, the sound even worst than a pair of Altec Lansing.

If not, some Hi-Fi shops use all those high end cables in their audio room so even if you buy a budget range Hi-Fi setup, chances are you won't be listening to the same sound quality when you listen them at home. Don't forget such places even have a power conditioner that cost thousands. With all these goodies, anything dull sounding, will sound slightly better.


It's possible, it's the same guy that I'm talking about as the previous time I went to Sungei Way, I didn't see him there, only a girl and another man. I thought he was on leave that day.

You can ask him to test anything you want, he's a very nice guy and he told me that it's okay if I dun buy anything from him, most importantly I'm satisfied with the sound, if not, what's the point of buying. Very sporting, eh?

wah this richard has been based in pyramid for like around 2 years la.....hmm.when was the last time u went to sungei way first?

abt testing the cables...i'm more into movies than music and since hdmi is the best we can get for video...a lot of shops i went to are trying to push their HDMI cable to me. but they said cannot open up and test the cable. and i'm not gonna be taken for a ride and believe everything they say abt their cables, so it's a catch 22 situation

I agree with Sunauto that a RM25/- HDMI cable is really pushing it too far. I am not surprised that it has no signal for anything above 720P.

On the topic of HDMI ver 1.3 1080P, I myself wouldn't go for anything below RM100/- for a 2meter length cable. The Specs for V1.3 itself require better quality cables to carry the signal through.

I figure very soon we will see cables labeled as HDMI 1.3 compliant if not already so.

Got signal... got picture... no signal. no picture.
So, our so called theory is still correct.

Cheap or expensive... it will not affect the quality of the picture. That's all.
But yeah... cheap quality cable might just fail you. MIGHT!

In short the LCD TV doesn't care what quality the HDMI cable is as long as it is good enough to carry all the data intact without errors.

Just like installing Windows XP using a low quality pirated disc and an original high quality disc. As long as the low quality pirated disc is error free you still get the same Windows XP. If the disc is really bad you just get a corrupted computer that hang that's all.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 3 2007, 08:41 PM

If the Windows XP is an audio cd or if the multimedia contents are streamed off the disc, there will be a difference if it's pirated. I never buy pirated audio cds because of this but for movies, I got no choice lah, not all movies are released here locally.

Well, some people feels that spending money on cables are a waste of money but they can afford to buy a LCD / Plasma costing a few months of their salary. It's the same like some people that I know, can afford to buy a BMW but using cheapo Sime tyres. Their argument, the car can move enough lah.

Digital is digital...1 and 0 of info... HDMI is essentially SL-DVI ... there is no distinction whether the 1 and 0 travels through gold/sliver/platinum or even plain copper/tin/graphite... No HDMI cable should cost more than an ordinary SL-DVI cable.

A more accurate comparison would be... The same coke from the supermarket or served at a high class restaurant at 10x the price... same liquid in tummy but with a less money in the pocket.

This post has been edited by BeastX: Nov 4 2007, 07:28 AM

Let me clarify if you don't mind

I was merely using WinXP example to illustrate how digital data arrives intact over different quality medium.

You example of Pirated disc contents (Audio CD/Movies) , is not related to our subject of discussion. That deals with the quality of the source data itself. We were discussing about the medium over which the data is transferrred i.e the HDMI cable.

You example of Audio CD is also interesting. We have been saying all along that Analog is different from digital (Unless you were referring to digital Audio.)

Your use of Cheap Sime tyres as an example is also interesting.

Let me ask you a question if you don't mind If the cheap Sime tyres can perform exactly like a RM10,000/- set of tyres (EXACTLY in every way, not just "the car can move enough lah") , would you still buy the RM10,000/- tyres?

Hehe, I have a feeling you would still say yes.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 4 2007, 04:22 PM

ya loh...
And I donno why this thread been 4 pages but still cannot conclude...

Hehe , it's my fault also. I am really long winded, it's in my nature.

I always seem to stir up people to respond. Next time I will really try not to click on this topic.

Sunauto knows I am really edgy regarding certain unresolved matters (not with him ), so have to channel my frustrations somewhere.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Nov 6 2007, 09:46 AM

Pirated audio cd comes from mp3. If you take an original music cd , rip it off from a good cd writer digitally to wave format and then manufacture it again,it will sound the same.



This post has been edited by Drian: Nov 6 2007, 10:51 AM

And that has anythng to do with HDMI cable?

Yeap thats the right thing to look for. Buy something according to the price of the item you are connecting too. HDMI cable is just a cable and is it worth that hundreds and thousands for the extra 10% it is really up to own perceive of value.

Anybody heard about Rogers HDMI cable? Desa is selling for more than 200 bucks !

I agreed. After all, this is digital cable,not analog,it's just zero's and one's, should be same image quality. Like those free HDMI cable that comes with HDMI DVD players...sure all cheap cables.

2 years down the road, the cables will be much cheaper, no need to worry.

If somebody do a blind test with a cheap and expensive HDMI cable on the exact same system....i doubt anyone here can tell the difference..

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 7 2008, 08:57 AM

wow that much yeah?

I'm using Roger. They offered it to me for RM200 when I bought the LCD from them together with a HDMI DVD player.

yeah im using 1 now ( v1.3 )

roughly the same offer i got as yfyap69 when i bought my 42" plasma and DivX DVD Player... (also bought a power conditioner for around same price )

Comparing to the other cable I have (RM80 from Tye Huat) I don't see any difference. Maybe my eye and ear not sharp enough to differentiate

dunno about that la...im not that good at differentiating image quality between cables... sound can la..image cannot

but i can differentiate between HDMI n PC Input though.. HDMI waaaaaaaaayyy better

Panasonic HDMI cable is just as good. Actually, it is selling at premium price over here. Bought a 5M HDMI cable from online. The price is less than RM100.

Then again, I have the Pioneer complimentary HDMI cable, as well as Panasonic 1.5m gold plated HDMI cable and Audioquest 2m HDMI cable. Erm, actually I dont see much difference among three of them.

Sure no diff la. Digital cable is digital cable.




Guys... guys... unless your HDMI cable is 20m long (like mine) then the quality of the cable is important... but a mere 1.5m long... close eye also can la.

It is not because what... just that at 20m, if lousy one, the cable might not be connected properly (happened to my S Video) and then, you will waste your money.

i think maybe the difference is in long run.. maybe those expensive ones can last longer? Me also using a cheap one.. hehe

For expensive cables, better material used therefore it should last longer..