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post Sep 20 2019, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 20 2019, 05:56 AM)
This is diy copy trade issit? Their take is so much. I've seen a few brokerage their take is less than 1-2%...
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 20 2019, 02:55 PM)
Yeah I should have written properly... "diy copy trade" doesn't convey properly...:sweat
Just thinking that the profit cut sounds excessive
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It's not a copy trading, it's a funded capital but your bare the drawdown.

It's their money, so they like to make rules that they like 50% is good and enough for a living if you trade 6 figures capital with 1-2% per month.

Got prop firm called Maverick the split is up to 20/80 but the upfront is really high got monthly desk fees.

QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Sep 20 2019, 02:04 PM)
i think he meant funding traders.. and then taking a cut from their profits
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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Sep 20 2019, 04:21 PM)
hmm why? this is exactly how prop firms operates! smile.gif
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Thanks for the explanation biggrin.gif
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post Sep 24 2019, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Sep 24 2019, 02:00 AM)
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Low risk low return percentage - yeah, that's all I can afford.
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You still got optiosn;

Trade other people money
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post Sep 24 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Sep 24 2019, 11:02 AM)
Yes exactly possible option. Meanwhile I’m risking my funds first and need to ensure my system & strategy are scaleable enough  and giving consistent profitable performance in live trading scenario. Results shown are from live traded funds & I’m aiming for steady growth & low drawdown setup, 5-15% max & similar scale for net gain monthly.
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You can pass prop firm test, just need 6% profit and 4% drawdown.

I don't have capital that big enough for living that's why I choose this.
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post Sep 25 2019, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 24 2019, 07:23 PM)
The  6%/4% is for monthly?
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6 month period.
They will give your 10k real account for evaluation period (6 month for 6% profit not more than 4% drawdown)
After you pass they will give you full 40k
When you reach 10% after that they will double the account and keep double if you keep reach 10% and this time no time limit for reach the 10%
Of course they charge you one time fees if you want to take the test.
But imho it's better than using your own capital.
In my calculation, If you wanna trade for living (low risk and tight money management) at least you need 6 figures capital.
I'm just a typical person with normal day job and realize 6 figures capital is impossible for me.

There are many kind of remote prop firm out there and I just explain the prop firm that I interested above.
Try to search prop firm like FTMO, Traders4Traders, Funded-Traders, Apiaryfund, The5er etc
And read the rules that suite your trading style.


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post Sep 25 2019, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Sep 25 2019, 08:54 AM)
Don't think any of these are legit prop firms. Anyone that asks you to put money in first runs a business, not a fund.

Also, the process of getting into a prop firm is infinitely harder than the rules they have mentioned.

If you want to have a chance with a legit firm you need to have at least 1 year of track record. Even better if you have 2

As long as you can convince them that you have a positive expectancy and you can manage your risk well, you can get hired.

edit: You have a higher chance with a legit firm searching in jobstreet, than from the internet. And legit prop firms sometimes pay you a small but fixed salary - like any legit employer.
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How did you know they are not legit? They not base on Malaysia because only big investment bank allow to trade forex in Malaysia. Kindly check their website first if you want to comments like this. Even you found a prop firm on jobstreet their requirement is very high on education level + your tight money management 2-year track records.

QUOTE(cmk96 @ Sep 25 2019, 09:25 AM)
Not more than 4% drawdown?

How many can pass this?  sweat.gif
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6%? how come not to pass biggrin.gif

Other prop firm other rules some offer up to 10% drawdown, just need to find rules that meet your trading styles. Just keep looking and asking.

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post Sep 25 2019, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Sep 25 2019, 09:52 PM)
Rather than asking me how I know - which btw I don't know...
It is better for you to ask how are you sure they are legit? After all I'm not the one who wants to get employed by them.

Again, ask yourself, "why should I pay money to be employed"? Imagine you go apply for job at 7-11. Then the manager say, before I can hire you, you need to pay me RM2000.

Their requirements are basically too easy which leads me to think that they are not really planning to "hire" anyone, but rather trying to get easy money.

Also, there's a reason why requirements are high for fund managers. Statistically only the top 5-10% of traders make money. And only the top 2% make huge money. Why would anyone throw away good money on an unproven hopeful?

Just imagine if you had 1mil$. Would you simply give your money away to a random hopeful trader who claims he's good? Even if you gave 10k per person, you'd feel the pain after a few of them bust within 6 months. Real funds are very selective.

It's simply too dodgy. But don't let me stop you, go for it and then tell us if you're successful. I'd like to know too.
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Fyi, you need to pass their test first before they give you a fully funded account and it's not typical 9-5 day job, it's a remote prop firm. You can trade their account anywhere, at home while wearing your boxer.

QUOTE(cmk96 @ Sep 25 2019, 10:02 PM)
Trade on your own still the best.  thumbsup.gif
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It's not best if you cant a afford a capital for living.
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post Sep 26 2019, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Sep 25 2019, 10:29 PM)
Its always the wrong perception which haunted new traders...need big capital.... LOL

My account was just usd1400 when i started to grow it... ofcoz ... it takes time and patience.
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Forex is always for rich people games, rich people use big capital. But some rich people don't have time to trade that's why they find a prop trader.

If I got USD1400, I rather use some of that for taking test for the prop firm.

Example

Prop firm one-time test fees for USD50k is USD500 when you pass the profit-sharing is 50/50 every month and my account double when I reach every 10%

If I can consistently make 2% every month with USD50k account my split is 1% form USD50k that is USD500 every month and when my account double for USD100k 1% is USD1000.

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I trade my own capital for USD1400, I need a least 50% profit every month to reach that target.

2% or 50%-100% profit every month which is easier? That don't even count MC, loss etc

I make my choice.






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post Sep 26 2019, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Sep 26 2019, 07:22 AM)
Demo period... They dun k... Real live account... U lose 20%... U are out... Thats y better trade on your own.
As i said earlier... Its about consistency. U can earn 2% a month... 24% a year....  Next year your account MC. How? Will prop firm still allow you to trade? Some only allow DD less than 10%..... Can you make it? There were times... I hold my positions up to 6 mths.... Prop firm allow that? Thats how i grow my account from 1400 into 6 figures.

There will be many restrictions which you need to stick to.

There is a saying... 95% of traders lose money. Trading is tough job.

Have you join any prop firm by now? Kindly share your exp.
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20+% ROI is a logical target for any trader, worst case scenario you will lost 20+% per year and your account never MC if you have a good tight money management. But if that happen your system is not ready for that if keep losing why in the world you wanna trade people money if you have track records like that lol

The drawdown always your one time fees if you notice almost all on their website, if you hit the drawdown it's always the trader money not them, they not stupid enough to lose a single cent on test period or the test can be a simulator.

If you can make any account to 6 figures account, that is good, try to make again and again every year. But in my reality I need sum of money every month to support my daily living cost and I don't have a big capital to begin with. Unless you never withdraw your capital until hit the goals that maybe take time for a year or more.

Say my system on can make 18-20% per year, if I only can afford very small account like USD1000, that's is only like USD200 ROI, can I live on that? Even If I doubled my account it is not enough.

I only on the evaluation on some random remote prop firm out there, if I failed I will try it again and again.

And my point is you don't need a big 6 figures capital or aim with your own capital for that to trade this market for a living. There is plenty of option over there.



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post Oct 2 2019, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 2 2019, 05:12 PM)
that;s why , in my previous reply, i wrote "roller coaster" ....

high risk, high gain .

that;s why , can do it in own account.

I shared here in lowyat + FF  ,  to lessen the effect of heart attack  + add more pages in Forex Version20 .
*sharing is caring .
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How many times did you blow your account from the start?
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post Oct 2 2019, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(plsharevme @ Oct 2 2019, 08:13 PM)
for beginner of forex game , i just bank in usd250 for testing purpose,
for xauusd 1:100 , standard account , 0.1lot only need margin usd 148.62 ?

then i have total usd250 why it say no enough money at mt4?  or it couse by the leverage show on mt4 is 1:50 couse this?

thanks for all help !! thumbup.gif
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You cannot all-in like casinos lor, read tnc again, maybe 50% of your capital is allowed.

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post Oct 3 2019, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Oct 3 2019, 11:21 PM)
tomorrow is NFP, dont bet on NFP smile.gif
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post Oct 4 2019, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 4 2019, 12:11 AM)
Lowyat fx used to be quite cold .

With my losses, now more meriah .

Yeah usd12k .... salary of senior director .
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Mind share what do you do for a living. Those losses seem nothing to you.
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post Oct 8 2019, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(plsharevme @ Oct 7 2019, 11:45 PM)
ok, i use 0.05 or 0.01 , thanks your advise.
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You can open a cent account for better money management for small-scale capital.

You cannot go lower than 0.01 if using a standard account.
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post Oct 9 2019, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 8 2019, 10:47 PM)
Brexit bad news...

From red  become blue
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post Oct 11 2019, 10:35 PM

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Forex is not about winning the game, it is about how to survive the long losing game.
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post Oct 12 2019, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 12 2019, 08:25 AM)
I Dono about his strategy but I know for sure his lot size too big for his account.

Originally his plan was to hit 40 or 50k. Then will withdraw out and restart at 20k. Basically saying he is putting a stop loss of 20k. That's fine actually. But I don't know why he didn't stick to the plan.

People with 1mil account also trade 20-30 lots only.
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He doesn't have an exit plan, exit plan = MC

1-2% is a reasonable risk for a big account like that if he expected the realistic profit in return.

A trader will risk more if the capital is too small but in his situation is better someone trades his capital or he invests for himself first. Find a mentor that can build a solid trading plan, tight money management and psychology to survive the long game.

A typical trader don't even have a big capital to start with, but he got that already.
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post Oct 17 2019, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 17 2019, 09:01 PM)
Im on phone, so reply is not as good as laptop.

Saw message, ppl.advise me to use hedge .
Honestly , i did hedge . When i joined ICM
I burned  many acc in icm ....
And in big amount, 5 digit . I did hedge . But always bad timing  . Burned even fsster.

Thats why i dun hedge . I pump in more fund to hold the line.
Too bad u guys are in kl .
Else we can drop by  teh tarik .

*cannot let my family know, else they would be fainted.
** luckily this is $ affort to lose .
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Get a proper mentor, sir.
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post Oct 22 2019, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(kim0112 @ Oct 22 2019, 06:59 PM)
hi, im newbie here.

based on the printscreen u shared, wanna ask the one stated buy/sell 0.05 or 0.06, what does it mean?
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QUOTE(kim0112 @ Oct 22 2019, 07:04 PM)
Hi all sifu and expert,

i noticed that there are 4 types of execute action in the forex and i not so understand for each of the function after study.

1) sell limit
2) sell stop
3) buy limit
4) buy stop

Can anyone of you explain each of them?

Thank you very muchhhhie~! smile.gif
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post Oct 25 2019, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 24 2019, 09:05 AM)
i like FX, becos, even when u;re wrong, u can add fund to hold the line till the price change to your favor .
but others, not so easy , right ?
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Exit fast when you are wrong and hold as long as possible when you are right, because we are playing the wrong game from the beginning.
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QUOTE(TradeMinim @ Oct 26 2019, 10:56 AM)
It all boils down to the trader's trading system. Trend trading? Day trading? or scalping.

The most important factor is you need to know whether your trading system have an edge over time.
How to know? Did you back-test your system and have at least 5 years of data? After back-testing
you will still need to live trade to validate it for at least 1 year to prove anything smile.gif

If not lots of traders are still running around blindly and expect green without putting any efforts
into the validation process. If traders are looking for fast and easy, MLM is the way out tongue.gif
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Of course, a trader needs to backtesting and forward testing for their systems and follow their trading plan religiously because we play the long game here. Even you face losing streak should never change your backtested system and trading plan because, in the end, you will get your backtested result.

Entry a position is easy, the tough part is when you are in a losing trade and a winning trade, a trader should have an exit plan for both situations. A typical trader just "hope" the price will bounce back when they wrong and usually it's not gonna happen.

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