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 PROPERTY MARKET TO BE BADLY HIT IN 2018, Tekan the greedy sellers to the max!

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post Dec 1 2017, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(pearl_white @ Nov 30 2017, 11:52 AM)
A few houses in Sungai Long already dropped, albeit just recently.

From 900k 3 years back, to 750k 1.5 years ago, now in the last 2 months 650k (20x70 superlink).  still no buyers.  this is in secondary market.

same goes to cheras mahkota....same trend.
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so you know they were selling at >50% profit margin few years ago...I'm sure no one would cut a loss-making deal..so the cost of the house when they first bought must be <600k.
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post Dec 1 2017, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(wonkent @ Dec 1 2017, 11:50 AM)
in fact, if we study 2007-2008 Financial crisis starting . we will find out malaysia are almost same situational with that time.

1) ppl buy house with 0% deposit, nowadays many developer doing same thing. they allow discount 10% house price for buyer, that's mean buyer no need to pay deposit to buy a house if loan approve.

2) ppl easy to apply loan without and document, i believe many ppl here have receive many call from bank mention they can supply loan to you easily.

but as a serious result of 2007-2008 Financial crisis,all gov should be care full with there situational to avoid crisis happen again. erm....should be la. base on malaysia political....hahaha
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Typically developers take 30% profit in any development. When they sell you at discounted price, they still probably taking 20-25% profit.

The 0% down is a similar concept with those guaranteed x% rental return scheme. It is a zero sum game. Sure they have factored in the 'discounts', which means inflate the selling price and market it as discounted price.

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post Dec 6 2017, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(pearl_white @ Dec 5 2017, 11:50 AM)
If property market declines, who is do blame?

1) Property developers
2) Property associations
3) Property investors, speculators
4) Sites, media that promote and deliberately make it difficult to express alternative property market views eg. by putting it in hard to find places, relegating it to not important, etc.
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Why need to blame? It is a great news for most people who wants to buy a house, if property market declines means house prices are going down.
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post Dec 6 2017, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 6 2017, 12:13 PM)
honestly if property market declines and houses prices are nose diving, home buyers in general WONT go to market and buy houses bcos

1. they will wait for price to drop further (which is forever)
2. they too scare to go in just in case house prices nose dive even more.
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I think you are mixing up between flippers vs home buyers. Home buyers do not "go to market" (that is for trading) but buy for own stay, so they care less about the value of the house for short term since they are not selling it right away for profit, so if it is a bargain they will snap up (I would).
Flippers, on the other hand wanted to maximise profit, hence they will not enter the market when sentiment is low, because chances are they will be unable to sell anytime soon, unless they have the holding power.
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post Dec 6 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 6 2017, 01:06 PM)
if your theory holds true, then there wont be any bubble jor.....

bcos all ownstayers will sapu whatever houses in the market when prices dropped by 20 or 30%.......
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Housing 'bubble' is different to the 'bubble' in stock market. A failed company can dies off if the fundamental is bad, no matter how long the time you give it. But real estate, on the other hand, will definitely grow. There's a saying "buy more land, they are not making it anymore". Especially in Malaysia where the population is still on the growth. Housing demand will be there, in time.

When prices drop 20 or 30%, the flipper's bubble bursts because they profit less from selling (if they sell) to own-stay buyers, who may get a discount. It is not a bubble to own-stays. But if those flippers has the holding power, yeah, it will still be a good investment, only it takes longer (years) to see returns. It is fine, because usually the prices will go up by more than 100% before dropping a mere 30%, there is still increase.

Remember, bubble don't apply to most of the population with housing needs, they apply to the riches speculating the market. Somehow the media has projected the image as if a bubble bursting will affect the entire population in a bad way.

 

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