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 PROPERTY MARKET TO BE BADLY HIT IN 2018, Tekan the greedy sellers to the max!

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icemanfx
post Nov 27 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Nov 27 2017, 01:49 PM)
Expert did their analysis.

Moody's expects decline in property prices due to supply overhang

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...upply-overhang/
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“Furthermore, we believe that suspending new property development will not correct the oversupply situation over the next five years, when property projects now in development enter the market,” it said.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...J2PzCwoTCSUB.99

With bank interest rate rise and liquidity tightening, it could be the perfect storm.

With household debt at about 90% gdp and less than 3% of adults in the kangkong land have over us$100k net worth; wonder how many could sustain extended period of negative cash flow.


This post has been edited by icemanfx: Nov 27 2017, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 27 2017, 01:59 PM)
That unker I think got own agenda.... biggrin.gif
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Hee... hee... Guess it’s the same for everyone.

Invested wants price to keep going up.
Missed the boats wants price to crash.
Even those not doing investing, wants to be acknowledged for their ‘wisdoms’.
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post Nov 27 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 27 2017, 02:20 PM)
Hee... hee... Guess it’s the same for everyone.

Invested wants price to keep going up.
Missed the boats wants price to crash.
Even those not doing investing, wants to be acknowledged for their ‘wisdoms’.
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For reasons only less than 3% of adults in the kangkong land has over us$100k net worth.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 02:48 PM)
For reasons only less than 3% of adults in the kangkong land has over us$100k net worth.
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Of course, of course. We can never forget about the US$100k benchmark 😂
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post Nov 27 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 27 2017, 11:46 AM)
I have not been buying since 2016. I expect the market to come down. That unker agreed with me 2 weeks ago. He even predicted 2018 market will crash 40% (RM500k down to RM300k). I don't expect so drastic %. 10% I happy liao.....

Now he U-turn pulak.....WTF ?

Same unker..... doh.gif
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u dont know him ar? he more like grandpa already... not unker. laugh.gif

he is a chartered surveyor with 40yrs experience from property valuation. not investor. icon_idea.gif

property valuation vs property investment IN PRACTICE is 2 diff thing. know how to value for bank doesnt mean know how to spot cheap deals.

if you got problem with dispute, real estate law = find him.
if you ask for advise where to invest, please choose somebody else. laugh.gif

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post Nov 27 2017, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 01:02 PM)
Adding debts may make one happy but doesn't necessary make one richer.
At 6% p.a. compounded, $250k after 25 years become $1.07m.

The issue is income didn't rise as fast as inflation, partly due to increasing population, poor improvement in productivity, etc
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This is chicken n egg issue. Income din rise as fast as inflation.....
So, the mean ppl should not wait, should buy early since we know this issue. Do u think for those dun want to buy now, one day their income will rise as fast as inflation?

Better buy 250k now n to work out how to settle the debt as fast as possible better than after 25 yrs buy the 1 mil same house.

Waiting and waiting, may not get the cheaper deal but may get the ppl middle income become poorer
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Nov 27 2017, 04:13 PM)
This is chicken n egg issue. Income din rise as fast as inflation.....
So, the mean ppl should not wait, should buy early since we know this issue. Do u think for those dun want to buy now, one day their income will rise as fast as inflation?

Better buy 250k now n to work out how to settle the debt as fast as possible better than after 25 yrs buy the 1 mil same house.

Waiting and waiting, may not get the cheaper deal but may get the ppl middle income become poorer
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The answer is very subjective e.g. at which stage of economy cycle, etc. joining the herd blindly will likely ended up in the slaughter house.

QUOTE(Boldnut @ Nov 27 2017, 03:42 PM)
u dont know him ar? he more like grandpa already... not unker.  laugh.gif

he is a chartered surveyor with 40yrs experience from property valuation. not investor.  icon_idea.gif

property valuation vs property investment IN PRACTICE is 2 diff thing. know how to value for bank doesnt mean know how to spot cheap deals.

if you got problem with dispute, real estate law = find him.
if you ask for advise where to invest, please choose somebody else.  laugh.gif
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You will be surprised with number of multi-millionaires among chartered surveyor, who knew and took advantages of value buy.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 04:25 PM)
The answer is very subjective e.g. at which stage of economy cycle, etc. joining the herd blindly will likely ended up in the slaughter house.
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Or sell too early and sulk all the way? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 27 2017, 04:28 PM)
Or sell too early and sulk all the way? biggrin.gif
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Property is illiquid, better to sell when market is frenzy e.g buyers are knocking at the door than in buyer's market. Those hoping to sell at peak price are likely end up holding for extended period.

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good to be in the 3% blanket.......
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 04:59 PM)
Property is illiquid, better to sell when market is frenzy e.g buyers are knocking at the door than in buyer's market. Those hoping to sell at peak price are likely end up holding for extended period.
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Ok, ok, noted. rclxms.gif
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post Nov 27 2017, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 04:25 PM)
You will be surprised with number of multi-millionaires among chartered surveyor, who knew and took advantages of value buy.
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yes, I well aware of that, but he is not one of them.

In generally, take his advise as a grain of salt. Look else where.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2017, 02:14 PM)
“Furthermore, we believe that suspending new property development will not correct the oversupply situation over the next five years, when property projects now in development enter the market,” it said.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...J2PzCwoTCSUB.99

With bank interest rate rise and liquidity tightening, it could be the perfect storm.

With household debt at about 90% gdp and less than 3% of adults in the kangkong land have over us$100k net worth; wonder how many could sustain extended period of negative cash flow.
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In acct pov rate up tax down. Unless cashi purchased. Liddat say ngam ga.
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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 27 2017, 04:28 PM)
Or sell too early and sulk all the way? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 27 2017, 11:36 PM

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Oh no! How am I going to sell my 200k flat?
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post Nov 28 2017, 09:27 AM

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actually no need to debate on this.

just watch the price correction...

on whether it is going to happen or not

1. in case it does, it really mimic our economic situation

2. in case it doesn't, it just shown those editor/media how strong our economic compare to their analyse
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post Nov 28 2017, 10:25 AM

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After reading through this thread, I can`t make up my mind whether to proceed in buying my first property or not
It`s a 300k Rumawip

IF the monthly pay is around RM1.5k-1.8k (installment + Maintenance) , it should not be a problem.
What I dont understand is how the "bank negara rate hikes" will affect me?

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/stro...ambank-research

Please enlighten.

and does the Flexi or non-flexi affect in anyway? which would be better/

Thanks in advance notworthy.gif
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post Nov 28 2017, 10:54 AM

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Sometimes in life dunt overanalyse bro, just do it
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post Nov 28 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(5tar5cr3am @ Nov 28 2017, 10:25 AM)
After reading through this thread, I can`t make up my mind whether to proceed in buying my first property or not
It`s a 300k Rumawip

IF the monthly pay is around RM1.5k-1.8k (installment + Maintenance) , it should not be a problem.
What I dont understand is how the "bank negara rate hikes" will affect me?

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/stro...ambank-research

Please enlighten.

and does the Flexi or non-flexi affect in anyway? which would be better/

Thanks in advance  notworthy.gif
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300k if you can pay every month should be ok

usually increase rate by 0.25%. so can calculate from web mortgage calculator. they said maybe 2 times increase.
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QUOTE(5tar5cr3am @ Nov 28 2017, 10:25 AM)
After reading through this thread, I can`t make up my mind whether to proceed in buying my first property or not
It`s a 300k Rumawip

IF the monthly pay is around RM1.5k-1.8k (installment + Maintenance) , it should not be a problem.
What I dont understand is how the "bank negara rate hikes" will affect me?

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/stro...ambank-research

Please enlighten.

and does the Flexi or non-flexi affect in anyway? which would be better/

Thanks in advance  notworthy.gif
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your loan is not interest free right? if it has a interest rate then a hike will make it increase.

some people choose fixed rate so they don't get big surprises but it will be higher than existing floating rate.

the bank lending to you has people paid to explain all this to you.

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