The Night Blade

one of the game's best daggers, and i have it
(bought for 1.8k gold, borrowed around 700g from guildies)

next patch getting nerfed significantly, but still capable of out dps'ing a gladiator's shanker... gg (and glad shanker > anything kara can offer

gladiator's shanker:
Gladiator's Shanker

MAYBE the dagger from SSC can outdps it... post patch
Fang of Vashj

also, it is mentioned that next patch all tier 5 and above raiding tiers' items will be buffed, mainly from the set gears but the other gears will be buff to reflect their worth in acquiring them. so this will probably get some buff, but then again, the glad shanker is supposed to be on par with fang of vashj, so its still hard to tell.

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typo + info

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 19 2007, 09:15 AM

lol ty, and gg to ur sham that wasted 2-4k gold lol.

this thing beats emerald ripper anytime mh'ing, and who needs to mainhand when you can offhand it?

im a mutilate rogue, both main and offhand activates

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to further clarify, i mainhand the emerald and offhand this.

but im tempted to mainhand riftmaked over emerald because.... the icons are the same XD

riftmaked, the night blade, and felsteel war ripper (i think? its my thrown weapon) ALL share the same icon, looks cool

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 19 2007, 10:01 AM

a general rule is everyone roll for it. later on the rogue could probably negotiate with the winner for it, be it buying for cheap or just take it for free.

if the group is kind, it is best to just give it to rogue.

warrior dont have much use for daggers since as ive mentioned before, daggers generaly have lower dps and lower min/max dmg. only reason people even use daggers is either stats, fast speed for procs, or rogues able to use their most powerful abilities.

in accordance to your question:
warrior wanting it to pvp = gimping himself. you pvp with 2hander, and even IF dualwield, you dont want to wield a dagger. debatably the armor proc can be useful, but lets be honest, relying on a proc in pvp? and at the same time offhanding it? (unless you wanna FURTHER gimp urself mainhanding it to get better procs from instants) so for the warrior, taking it is only gonna make him look like a retard and gimping him to oblivion.

for the warlock having an alt, usually what drops in the group, stays in the group, if you get what im saying. people rolling for alts is considered "unethical". a better solution is have the warlock to negotiate with the winner, like the rogue.

for hunter: in all seriousness though, the proc doesnt work on ranged

to further clarify my pug/guild runs are all need if need else greed. and that applies to boe too... so if rogue needs, he can need it.

but, of course be sensible, if hunter needs (be it ninja or even putting them on seriously), me or my whole group will immediately brand him as a ninja.

if the person ninja, immediately ninja branded. i know, the dmg has been done, but the ninja looter's rep is also ruined if anything.

got boe from kara?

the leather glove is bop, i used to wear it.

gloves of deftness if im not mistaken

boots of elusion is also bop

FAIL

I KNO WHAT JOO DID THAR!

you just posted

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something awful

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oh yea, this blade OWNZ lol... im cutting through warriors as if im cutting through rogues/cloths... i can expose armor for 3075 and night blade ignores 1305 armor.... thats a whopping 4380 armor ignored... and avg pvp warriors only have maybe 8-9k ish armor.

in pve... omg lol im dps'ing in my pvp mutilate spec as if im in my pve mutilate spec... wtf lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 20 2007, 08:47 AM

not gonna matter if said warr is getting stun/snared/mutilated for 3k+ then cb evis for almost 3k...

seen: yes the proc rate is insane, next patch nerfing though...

and yea price is about 2-4k, i bought for 1.8k, prolly due to the upcoming patch

he could've sold for 2-4k gold, regardless. and use those gold and get a much MUCH better weapon

your argument is very much invalid as we all know daggers have a generic lower dps, lower min-max, lower atk power speed mod. as ive always said, even ROGUES wouldnt use it if it werent for abilities such as ambush/backstab/mutilates.

and you argued that it can be said the same for rogues? no you are very wrong in this. this is basically one of, if not the BEST dagger in game, even better than the gladiator's shanker on dps comparison, mathematical charts run, LIVE statistical dps recording run. the ONLY thing that *MAY* be comparable to it is lady vashj's dagger... tell me, how many guilds in the world have that snake down? where this dagger is boe, so long you have the gold, and its on the AH/trade channel, you can get it.

i MYSELF is using it, it boosted by dps around 50-100++ and on shade of aran my dps went up close to around 800... that will not happen without the night blade. if you want to know, yes the debuff stacks with sunder armor or expose armor. and again, stamina is not a primary stat in pve especially for a dps class. so long you have enough stamina to survive things thrown at you, its better off you invest more in fullfilling your role better.

and again, there is also combat mutilate builds, they prefer heavy daggers offhand, so weapons such as the gladiator's shiv or searing sunblade is useless. if you wanna be ignorant and argue that combat daggers is the only raiding build, you're only gonna make yourself look stupid.

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a thing to note though, next patch its getting a proc rate nerf and imo a nerf is needed because a boe being on par if not better than the end game raiding or arena weapon is really, REALLY rediculous. totally distrupts the sense of achievement in the game and general itemization. (hence why they also buffing raiding level 2 and tier6 in general because spending effort in instances like SSC or the eye while only having sidegrades or even LOLDOWNGRADES isnt what i call fun.)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 24 2007, 09:45 AM

and what ive been trying to point through that thick skull is that it isnt a good shaman weapon, yes, EVEN enhancement shamans.

a good portion of enh sham dmg also rely on spell dmg, night bane's armor proc would not help on that regard, and thats considering you can maintain the x3 proc w/o permanent slice n dice and occassional haste. flurry is not gonna cut it. unless perhaps you can get ~40-50% crit.

thottbot.com/allakhazam.com is your friend.
things like:
http://www.thottbot.com/i28392
or if you really want a dagger so bad...
http://www.thottbot.com/i28416

and thats just random 5man bluebies.

by far out pace tnb. its only this good for rogues due to the nature of their pure physical dmg, ultilization of daggers, and they can permanently maintain slice and dice.


ill just lol silently lolz

i see smartie man here... and yea i want malchazeen myself too... why? ITS THE SAME GRAPHIC AS MY TNB <3 <3

and double high five on combat mut dee pee ess

i have more hit raiting but less ap/crit though, trying to gear up to at least 20% hit since my main dmg source is my whites anyways.

and no, the nerf isnt THAT huge.

sets84: havent learn the skill reading yet? read my starting post in this thread, and the 2nd post on the thread you posted to share with all of us. way to make yourself look stupid. seriously, stop posting shits that bite you in the ass around.

whos the one gettin pissy and calling names right here?

and ill take your last part as a compliment, ty

good one...

watched 300? rar

and threatmeter only makes it ez mode, so long you have a good tank, its not that big of a deal, at the same time, you can overtake the tank ANYWAYS especially with threatmeter because melees have a 10% buffer and rangers have additional 30%, basically, if tank have 100 threat, it takes a mage 130 threat to aggro, and when mage gets 101 threat he basically "overtook" the tank, but hes not gonna get aggro till it reaches 130.

to be a great dps'er, aside having a great tank, one basically have to be bold and brave to take risks, including the risk to wipe your group/raid. its not good at all, but risks are there for your choice to take and if you really wanna push the limits, risks will follow you, nothing is easy or safe anyways if ur pushing for more.

and no, theres no such spec as a low aggro dps spec, if there even is such spec, ur gonna be gimped on the dps charts and you're defeating the purpose of being a top dps'er.

rogues have the best advantage in regards to threat, having a permanent passive 29% threat reduction attached to the class, and vanish and of course lolfeint.