It's 2 months later since 2007/02, AMD have several time price drop actions
this year, AMD enhance their market strategy by lower X2 price and 65nm
processor mass production.

Especially the 65nm 3600+ X2 512K processor, the lowest dual core price
with 75USD, this is great cost with great strategy no matter on new DIY or
platform upgrade market.

These are our 2 competition processors.
The cost between them is almost same, but AMD X2 5000+ keep lower price.

The worriers:
Left side, Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
Right side, AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+




The AM2 test board.
DFI INFINITY NF ULTRAII-M2






The Intel test board.
MSI P6N SLI Platinum






The powerful DDRII
CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF




The test VGA card
ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT




Whole platform setup
AMD
CPU:AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+
MB: DFI INFINITY ULTRAII-M2
DRAM:CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF
VGA:ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT
HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:TT Big Typhoon VX




Intel
CPU:Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
MB: MSI P6N SLI Platinum
DRAM:CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF
VGA:ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT
HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:TT Big Typhoon VX

woww...waiting test result..
more interested where u from..always hav a nice stuff to test and nice testing skill....
trade mark key chain as well....

btw any1 know what is the retails price for this two stuff in malaysia..?

& the results? i bet the ressult quite near...

This post has been edited by zeustronic: Apr 17 2007, 09:21 AM

i think the result is near in stock speed,but after oc,i think e64 smoke the 5000.....
anyway,i'm waiting for ur result man!

wo... another test ar bro.. waiting for the result

Take a look on frequency info.
Processor
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400:266X8=>2133Mhz
AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+:200X13=>2600Mhz
(Motherboard small frequency difference with 2612MHz )

Memory
BIOS Setup will all be DDRII 800 CL3 3-3-9
AM2 processors have some ratio divide issue,
so the real frequency is DDRII 746 CL3 3-3-9 1T

Besides the platform with different motherboard and chipsets, rest of the
components is the same.
I use NVIDIA chipset on both side, that will be more similar with fair
competition.
But still have little difference between Intel nForce6 and AMD nForce4, since
the nForce6 is newest version.

PCMARK2005

Intel



AMD



CPU Source
Intel:5479
AMD:5334


CrystalMark

Intel



AMD



ALU
Intel:18969
AMD:19468

FPU
Intel:22702
AMD:22490


CINEBENCH 9.5

Intel



AMD



1 CPU
Intel:353
AMD:385

2 CPU
Intel:658
AMD:722


The best winning test program from Intel side must be SUPER PI.
Intel



AMD



Intel:22m 30.921s
AMD:29m 57.312s


EVEREST test about memory and cache performance.
Intel



AMD



Memory

Intel:7680/4861/5426 MB/s 58.6ns
AMD:8005/7271/6130 MB/s 47.1ns

AMD is strong on memory bandwidth performance,
since the frequency is only DDRII 746,
but all memory test results are better then Intel with DDRII 800 with same
latency.

CPU Mark
Intel:298
AMD:303

any conclusion bro?...from what i look and read...both offer almost the same performance...

in term of budget its an AMD for sure...

not a budget limit go for Intel...

how much the 5000 in market?

5000 RM 585

e6400 Rm 800

nice review.. even 5000+ running nf4 platform, there is no 'big' gap in term of performance..

Until overclocking is factored into the equation.

when oc everthing is difference...am i right...but we are talking about standard vs standard...not all are OC`ers...

how about not O/C to the max of each processor, just O/C to the max that both the processor on par with, will the results not much difference like the stock comparison ???

why i refer like this is that with O/C the bandwith will sure have alot of difference, and make some difference, right ???

This post has been edited by KidsCode: Apr 17 2007, 10:48 AM

sure go for 5000+ if not go for OC...
bcoz if looking for OC more $$ will go...like mobo, PSU, bla bla bla...

Do remember that AMD is on 2.6Ghz, and E6400 is at 2.13Ghz. If u want same clock speed, try making the C2D to 2.6Ghz and compare. Intel will take over everything already

if compare for OC, I think that the E6400 surely pawn X2 5000.
as you can see now at the stock speed, E6400 with 2.13ghz vs X2 5000 with 2.6ghz, its already near for both performance.
yet the Core2 are meant for having more room while overclock, guess it can easily clock up to 3.5ghz, (just my own estimate speed) while if so, X2 will have to clock up to 4ghz to achieve the same performance to E6400 aww, this is just my opinion and do correct me if I'm wrong

that price after amd slash the price or what? maybe price it will almost same when intel slash price end of this month...

its after price slashed I think, base on pczone latest pricelist.

Your theory is somewhat correct in terms of differences in clockspeed, but who knows what will happen when AMD goes to 4Ghz So far I have seen is the Brisbane clocking 3.616Ghz highest

E6400 no problems hitting that margin already at 450Mhz FSB Overall performance Intel still will take over Just wait for Intel price slash end of the month and compare XD AMD already slash the price, intel's turn to come

3DMARK2006

Intel



AMD



CPU Source
Intel:1843
AMD:1924


TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress

Intel



AMD




Intel:01:14.51
AMD:01:17:32


Here are my personal opinions:
First of all, I was mentioned before, the K8/AM2 architecture performance
gape is about 400MHz higher to equal compares with Intel C2D.

Second, because the difference architecture, the best cache performance
rate is about 512K, C2D is about 2MB, more cache will only have less
percentage enhance.

Let's recall our memories to last generation, P4 3G V.S. K8 3000+ competition
on 200USD segment, but P4 3G is worse then K8 1.8G, the overclock
performance is also less then K8 overclock improvement. Now the situation is
different.

AMD is very cleaver in these months with great price strategy,
If user can have 400MHz more AM2 dual core products with better price ,
then AMD will have more advantage to beat Intel C2D.

But Intel C2D got the advantage on overclock range and performance,
normally can easy overclock up to 3.4G~3.8G limited.

AM2 just lead in with 65nm design, extreme frequency is about 3.1G, if the
limited can up to 3.3GHz higher, that will help to deduce the performance and
overclock gape.

AMD comes with lower processor and motherboard price, that's the advantage,
But for long term business, they have to enhance the frequency limited and
new architecture, that's the solution to fight back the behind situation now.

Any way, the hard competition will benefit all end users to have lower price
and higher performance.

About the extreme overclock, already had many reviews to know on internet,
this time we take a look on normal user situation with same price segment.
Let's expect next wave price/performance competition between Intel and
AMD.

when INTEL slashes their price.. all PC geek already bought AMD chips..

for me want oc intel dunwan oc go AMD

Similar performance between AMD X2 5000+ & Intel C2D 6400, but Intel more pricier than AMD. So if opt 4 OC I'll opt 4 AMD instead Intel coz can save up a few hundred bucks 2 buy a true power PSU for OC purpose

got extra money buy core2 e6400...
if tight budget am2 x2 5000 will do fine...
my view is budget come 1st, performance come 2nd...

good review from TS...

but if u r given same amount of budget 2 buy a DIY system, I'm sure buying AMD system will let u squeeze more performance from da AMD platform coz u'll out of budget to buy a true power PSU if buy C2D. As a consequence u can't OC much due 2 PSU limitation

cant compare the clock speed lahhh
diffrent architecture mah...
if u say like that AMD fren will compare with P4 3.0Gz....hehehehehh

price always what we look at 1st

last time for amd.. speed is not everything.. now intel less ghz than amd..
but in term of price.. amd should ok..
after all.. in real life situation.. and everage usage quite the same..
but most importantly, i choose EE...

both got own advantage and disadvantage.
as for budget, X2 will get in the place, as from X2 3600+ - X2 5000+, its still even cheaper than E6300

Wrong. PC geeks are waiting for the price slash because it's more value for money at this time to get a core2Duo.
While the AMD can be cheaper, the overclocking advantage of the C2D strikes me as it can outlast the AMD equivelant.

i want to see the price of new lowerend C2D with bigger L2 cache..

P4 3Ghz is how many years ago my friend? Old Netburst architecture ler dude
If P4 wanna compare, use back the Athlons ler. Wait till Intel slash their price, then the competition will be alive again, that time I will go for Intel
Price difference very little only, I will go for more OC and performance

This post has been edited by shinjite: Apr 17 2007, 05:14 PM

even as an OCer myself, i prefer to judge processors based on STOCK speed. this is simply because users generally use at stock speed while OCing is pretty limited to the minority and OCing results vary.

E6400 only have 2MB cache. Tht means E6420 which have 4MB cache can pawn X2 5200 anytime.
Intel Conroe also provide more o'c headspace and fun.
E6420 gonna replace E6400 after 2Q, More ppl will choose E6420 which only cost RM650+ rather than AMD or E6600. Read from somewhere b4, E6420 o'c result is very promising. 2 thumbs up !

maybe the price very little to you...but to me it`s quite big...more to buy with the balance rm 200...can get 2 512mb ddr2 667 ram...

yup, amd still maintaining it's lower price per performance that will attract people with tight budget to change to dual-core system just like me...

p/s: quite worry that c2D price slashed will also be more affordable than amd..

Come on, making so much fuss about the price difference when IN LESS THAN 1 week, one can buy E6400 or even better, E6420, at around RM600.

No one is telling you to buy now right? Wait till Intel slash their price, then you will know

This post has been edited by shinjite: Apr 17 2007, 11:31 PM

yap...both got it`s own advantages...since AMD tapau all pentium 4 last time...only this time only pentium manage to tapau AMD...but for a non oc`ers better go for AMD...not such big in performance...but for oc`ers u can go for pentium...

now...some ppl selling E6600 just as low as RM580....

lame statements. this 5000 x2 is a generation-old behind E6400 processor. we are comparing same price point processor, not same clock speed.

70% percent of the user does not visit this forum and they do not overclock, for normal pc users, i could not see why they will choose intel over amd, unless the "INTEL" mentality still exists after all this year which i am still kinda sick of.

^- then some intel dudes will be sick of ur preference only to AMD ...

dun start a war, benchmarks are only for reference, which 1 u guys likes depends very individually -.- ....

both have pros and cons, if not surely one will fall

try find a sweet spot in price/performance ratio, both can do the job well...

unless u are so filthy rich, u can actually get the most uber expensive stuff, if not ...... make ur choice based on the time u buy, coz after u bought, defintiely the price will change, lol ....

are u really sure about this, a new one or just the second hand one? That price is really low from normal retail price around RM 900-1100...

yeah, and it's hard to find E6300 in that price range too.

I'm an AMD user for years, but this time I think I'll go C2D.

the power draw, the performance on stock speed and the price is just too tempting.

it doesnt cost too much compared to an AMD equivalent either.

I sure hope K10 is a killer, or intel here I come!!

All I can say is wait this post 22nd. That will even out the pricing levels

Lame? All I can say is....wait till Intel slash price

This post has been edited by shinjite: Apr 18 2007, 02:01 PM

Elmo, you using C2D now or what?

My current AMD rig cant OC for crap, I've got the worst batch of CPU ever. Everyone else is doing far better than I am. Unlucky me.

hope my new C2D setup can OC better.

The main issues is to get whats you best money you can go.

Altought Intel C2D is now very performance speed winning, X2 could winning most people's choices. Considering within same budget, buyers can choose better X2 series which is may outstanding over C2D, Althought no much different, small different matters ..

But if you mention need for speed , then go to 6700 QC and nobody will bothering.

Should the X2 5200+ compare with E6400 ? not 5000+ ATM?

Yes true Rm580 1 week warranty E6600 engineering samples. I think its the one unless you are referring to other thread.

Overall E6600 still outforms X2 5000+....

even AMD X2 6000+ can't beat E6600...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?mod...2=432&chart=171

of course e6600 is faster but the price also more expensive

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Apr 19 2007, 07:38 PM

Looks like after Intel price slash, E6600 also RM7xx liao O.O"

Both are just fine to me. For the current tasks that I've faced.

if intel drop price, maybe amd also drop

maybe? they have no choice but to drop again XD
And no more AMD X2 5000+ vs E6400 liao (after Intel price slash)

Its AMD X2 5000+ vs E6600 already.....

This post has been edited by shinjite: Apr 19 2007, 11:34 PM

yea!let intel n amd start the big war(not like last time p4 vs althon64 no fun 1)
then they will drop the price!!haha!

Are you sure with that?
it is too cheap..

but.. then.. how much will Intel sell thier E2000?

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Added on April 20, 2007, 2:45 amthey keep on fighting..

Then we can get a cheap proc..

This post has been edited by darnell: Apr 20 2007, 02:45 AM

from the link that Panda give, ya, Core2Duo outperform the X2 5600+ in the PC Mark, but do you use your pc just to benchmark?
if yes, guess you dont only use PC Mark to benchmark right?
go try out those memory Memory and Floating and see whats happen both got win point, so its win win situation

Well its going to be affordable anyway XD
Wait till the official price slash




This post has been edited by shinjite: Apr 20 2007, 03:26 PM

For all PC user out here,
When you buy a PC, do you use the PC just to benchmark?
imho, Price come first then come performance
If perfomance slightly lower 10-15%, i would prefer price.
But if 40-50% diffrent, i would consider the performance than goes to price, its about our thinking for future running program.

If base on the price currently,
CORE 2 DUO 1.86GHz E6300 775 1066 2MB RM600
CORE 2 DUO 2.13GHz E6400 775 1066 2MB RM680
CORE 2 DUO 2.4GHz E6600 775 1066 4MB RM835
CORE 2 DUO 2.13GHz E6320 775 1066 4MB RM620
CORE 2 DUO 1.8GHz E6420 775 1066 4MB RM700

Athlon X2 64bit 4600+ 2400MHz AM2 2000 512*2 RM415*
Athlon X2 64bit 5000+ 2600MHz AM2 2000 512*2 RM530*
Athlon X2 64bit 5200+ 2600MHz AM2 2000 1MB*2 RM595*
Athlon X2 64bit 5600+ 2800MHz AM2 2000 1MB*2 RM690

We should compare E6420 with Athlon X2 64bit 5600+ 2800MHz
Well, if 6420 outperform AMD X2 around 30-40%, i surely will goes to 6420.

if 6420 just outperform AMD X2 around 10-15% i would go for AMD X2

Money need to spend wisely, if you have more money, donate out to charity.

This post has been edited by guardioo: Apr 20 2007, 04:05 PM

the * (star) behind those AM2 means?

how about we all just wait for Intel to really slash their price on 22 April then we all can decide which one is worth it in term of performance per price...

copy from cycom pricelist though...
i just cant wait 22nd april the price slash...then i would wait for 2 weeks time
see how amd fight against the price slash.

prices slashes are good for us....first salvo from AMD, now we're waiting for Intel's response and then a couple of weeks/months later AMD's reponse...and yada and yada and yada

later maybe AMD will slash their price on new 65W proc then we all can enjoy dual-core without hesitation...even now, x2 +4400 65W u can get it for RM440 only at robyncom..

AM2 X2 5600+ vs C2D 6300

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/490/2/

This post has been edited by RangerRed: Apr 20 2007, 11:36 PM

Well... AMD perform very nice, but wut concern ppl is socket issue... AMD changing socket too fast that most ppl

i'm not,
i'm just analyzing the market

new prices out
e4300 @ 400+
e6320/6420 @ 600+
e6600 @ 800+
e6700 @ 1100+

imho, 6320 and 6420 is not worth getting

the E6xxx series support nested paging - good for Virtualization like vmware.com

so price wise, e4300 is still above the RM400 mark

looks like have to wait for the e2xxx series if ur looking at replacing your age-old fire breathing Pentium D

just sold of my P4 2.8C Northwood xxcaps

so now if i can wait i might try my luck and wait for E2xxx dual core

otherwise I will be quite happy with X2 3800+ and a 690G platformwith HDMI

Tweaktown



This post has been edited by cre8tif: Apr 22 2007, 11:02 AM

so...just take e6600 es from lowyat jer...soo cheap..
and it oc quite well

There is no Nested Paging support in any of the Intel CPU right now. This is only available in Opteron F series. Core 2 lines only support the most basic virtualization and nested paging is emulated via software.

hmm....if u dont mind explaining why E6320 & E6420 not worth buying I would appreciate it tho, coz I'm thingking of getting one.