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TSwindwithme
post Apr 17 2007, 08:22 AM, updated 19y ago

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It's 2 months later since 2007/02, AMD have several time price drop actions
this year, AMD enhance their market strategy by lower X2 price and 65nm
processor mass production.

Especially the 65nm 3600+ X2 512K processor, the lowest dual core price
with 75USD, this is great cost with great strategy no matter on new DIY or
platform upgrade market.

These are our 2 competition processors.
The cost between them is almost same, but AMD X2 5000+ keep lower price.

The worriers:
Left side, Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
Right side, AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+

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The AM2 test board.
DFI INFINITY NF ULTRAII-M2

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The Intel test board.
MSI P6N SLI Platinum

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The powerful DDRII
CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF

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The test VGA card
ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT

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Whole platform setup
AMD
CPU:AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+
MB: DFI INFINITY ULTRAII-M2
DRAM:CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF
VGA:ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT
HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:TT Big Typhoon VX

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Intel
CPU:Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
MB: MSI P6N SLI Platinum
DRAM:CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF
VGA:ELSA GLADIAC 790GS PH2 256DT
HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:TT Big Typhoon VX

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post Apr 17 2007, 09:11 AM

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woww...waiting test result.. drool.gif drool.gif
more interested where u from..always hav a nice stuff to test and nice testing skill.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
trade mark key chain as well....

btw any1 know what is the retails price for this two stuff in malaysia..?

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post Apr 17 2007, 09:21 AM

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& the results? i bet the ressult quite near...

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AceCombat
post Apr 17 2007, 09:30 AM


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i think the result is near in stock speed,but after oc,i think e64 smoke the 5000.....
anyway,i'm waiting for ur result man!
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post Apr 17 2007, 09:41 AM

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wo... another test ar bro.. waiting for the result
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post Apr 17 2007, 10:03 AM

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Take a look on frequency info.
Processor
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400:266X8=>2133Mhz
AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+:200X13=>2600Mhz
(Motherboard small frequency difference with 2612MHz )

Memory
BIOS Setup will all be DDRII 800 CL3 3-3-9
AM2 processors have some ratio divide issue,
so the real frequency is DDRII 746 CL3 3-3-9 1T

Besides the platform with different motherboard and chipsets, rest of the
components is the same.
I use NVIDIA chipset on both side, that will be more similar with fair
competition.
But still have little difference between Intel nForce6 and AMD nForce4, since
the nForce6 is newest version.

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Intel

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AMD

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CPU Source
Intel:5479
AMD:5334


CrystalMark

Intel

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AMD

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ALU
Intel:18969
AMD:19468

FPU
Intel:22702
AMD:22490


CINEBENCH 9.5

Intel

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AMD

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1 CPU
Intel:353
AMD:385

2 CPU
Intel:658
AMD:722


The best winning test program from Intel side must be SUPER PI.
Intel

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AMD

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Intel:22m 30.921s
AMD:29m 57.312s


EVEREST test about memory and cache performance.
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AMD

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Memory

Intel:7680/4861/5426 MB/s 58.6ns
AMD:8005/7271/6130 MB/s 47.1ns

AMD is strong on memory bandwidth performance,
since the frequency is only DDRII 746,
but all memory test results are better then Intel with DDRII 800 with same
latency.

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Intel:298
AMD:303



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post Apr 17 2007, 10:09 AM

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any conclusion bro?...from what i look and read...both offer almost the same performance...

in term of budget its an AMD for sure...

not a budget limit go for Intel...
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post Apr 17 2007, 10:11 AM


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how much the 5000 in market?
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Apr 17 2007, 10:11 AM)
how much the 5000 in market?
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5000 RM 585

e6400 Rm 800
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post Apr 17 2007, 10:28 AM

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nice review.. even 5000+ running nf4 platform, there is no 'big' gap in term of performance..
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QUOTE(ue_smsc @ Apr 17 2007, 10:28 AM)
nice review.. even 5000+ running nf4 platform, there is no 'big' gap in term of performance..
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Until overclocking is factored into the equation.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 17 2007, 10:32 AM)
Until overclocking is factored into the equation.
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when oc everthing is difference...am i right...but we are talking about standard vs standard...not all are OC`ers...
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Apr 17 2007, 10:32 AM)
Until overclocking is factored into the equation.
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how about not O/C to the max of each processor, just O/C to the max that both the processor on par with, will the results not much difference like the stock comparison ???

why i refer like this is that with O/C the bandwith will sure have alot of difference, and make some difference, right ???

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sure go for 5000+ if not go for OC...
bcoz if looking for OC more $$ will go...like mobo, PSU, bla bla bla...


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Do remember that AMD is on 2.6Ghz, and E6400 is at 2.13Ghz. If u want same clock speed, try making the C2D to 2.6Ghz and compare. Intel will take over everything already
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if compare for OC, I think that the E6400 surely pawn X2 5000.
as you can see now at the stock speed, E6400 with 2.13ghz vs X2 5000 with 2.6ghz, its already near for both performance.
yet the Core2 are meant for having more room while overclock, guess it can easily clock up to 3.5ghz, (just my own estimate speed) while if so, X2 will have to clock up to 4ghz to achieve the same performance to E6400 biggrin.gif aww, this is just my opinion wink.gif and do correct me if I'm wrong tongue.gif

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that price after amd slash the price or what? maybe price it will almost same when intel slash price end of this month...
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its after price slashed I think, base on pczone latest pricelist.
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QUOTE(kanethesun @ Apr 17 2007, 11:06 AM)
if compare for OC, I think that the E6400 surely pawn X2 5000.
as you can see now at the stock speed, E6400 with 2.13ghz vs X2 5000 with 2.6ghz, its already near for both performance.
yet the Core2 are meant for having more room while overclock, guess it can easily clock up to 3.5ghz, (just my own estimate speed) while if so, X2 will have to clock up to 4ghz to achieve the same performance to E6400 biggrin.gif aww, this is just my opinion wink.gif and do correct me if I'm wrong tongue.gif
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Your theory is somewhat correct in terms of differences in clockspeed, but who knows what will happen when AMD goes to 4Ghz smile.gif So far I have seen is the Brisbane clocking 3.616Ghz highest

E6400 no problems hitting that margin already at 450Mhz FSB smile.gif Overall performance Intel still will take over smile.gif Just wait for Intel price slash end of the month and compare XD AMD already slash the price, intel's turn to come
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post Apr 17 2007, 12:28 PM

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Intel:01:14.51
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Here are my personal opinions:
First of all, I was mentioned before, the K8/AM2 architecture performance
gape is about 400MHz higher to equal compares with Intel C2D.

Second, because the difference architecture, the best cache performance
rate is about 512K, C2D is about 2MB, more cache will only have less
percentage enhance.

Let's recall our memories to last generation, P4 3G V.S. K8 3000+ competition
on 200USD segment, but P4 3G is worse then K8 1.8G, the overclock
performance is also less then K8 overclock improvement. Now the situation is
different.

AMD is very cleaver in these months with great price strategy,
If user can have 400MHz more AM2 dual core products with better price ,
then AMD will have more advantage to beat Intel C2D.

But Intel C2D got the advantage on overclock range and performance,
normally can easy overclock up to 3.4G~3.8G limited.

AM2 just lead in with 65nm design, extreme frequency is about 3.1G, if the
limited can up to 3.3GHz higher, that will help to deduce the performance and
overclock gape.

AMD comes with lower processor and motherboard price, that's the advantage,
But for long term business, they have to enhance the frequency limited and
new architecture, that's the solution to fight back the behind situation now.

Any way, the hard competition will benefit all end users to have lower price
and higher performance.

About the extreme overclock, already had many reviews to know on internet,
this time we take a look on normal user situation with same price segment.
Let's expect next wave price/performance competition between Intel and
AMD.

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