well you dont really need to kill attumen actually. or maiden. Basically if pple dont need stuff from them anymore u can do Moroes, Opera, curator, Prince. leaving nightbane + netherspite the next day. Illhoof is also optional once your feral druid gets the staff, pally gets the bp and resto druid gets the healing belt.

My guild starts with moroes, maiden, curator, aran on one day and the next day it's chess, prince, nightbane. We skip netherspite altogether because it's a pita. :S we plan to skip maiden soon and aran once i get my shoulders~

Typically we start at 8.45-9pm and end at 12.30am. I think as a whole it's best to learn new encounters at the beginning of the raid, so if lets say we reach a new boss at the end of the raid we'll just go in and wipe to see how the boss is like. Always better to attempt seriously when everyone's fresh~

yeap, imo aran is only important for the nightbane summoning thingy
if you got that done i dont really see much of a point to go back in there and fight him. illhoof is only about the staff, im playing a pally and i cbf to get the plate from him. my ideal run would be attumen, moroes, opera, curator, chess, prince, bed . save nightbane for another day for the ppl who needs to attune to ssc.

By full clear do you include Netherspite, Nightbane and Ilhoof Heemee?

We had 2 wipes on bosses ie R&J and Aran and 2-3 wipes/near wipes due to me overpulling. So I know we can improve our time by reducing our mortality rate.

My worry about clearing to Prince was that people wouldn't be motivated to try out the 3 bosses above once we've cleared the instance to Prince.

NB is a must, u got no choice on that.. Ssc attunement

and yes, top guilds do ALL bosses in 3 and half hours.

Well, we're not an epixxed out guild yet so we're not disenchanting everything in Karazhan just yet. So every boss has something that everyone needs.

Taking down Aran is good for the portal to his library that's why I prefer taking him down :/

yeap but if your group can do prince easily then its just the extra mile to prince and you are calling off the group for kara. but if you want to try netherspite and illhoof, then again it's a good choice. but i really dont like the aran fight due to its randomness, just the other day we wiped on hunter snakes activating flame wreath. and pally bubble/rogue clos still isn't fixed yet.

Prince is not exactly farm for us, we try to do him the proper way using the whole playing area and sometimes the randomness of the infernals just pwns us especially at the last 30%. If you use the whole field rather than the entrance you can't res so a wipe usually involves a long run for us.

Gief karazhan mounts plx!

true that. which is why i really cant be bothered to attemp kara these days. im just lacking the t4 helm and shield from chess event but i can easily overlook it. i usually just sit out the kara raids and get in to help out on nightbane

i'd say it'll take my group at least 5 hours to clear everything but we never tried (stop raid after curator most of the time).and usually its just Attumen, Moroes, Maiden, Opera, Curator, Prince and now Nightbane. sometimes aran, sometimes illihoof.

i think i'm gonna stop going to karazhan and join when there's not enough ppl lol, so other rogues get to go prince more often. sick of the thrash/waiting for ppl(who are always waiting for summons) and i got all the loots i need( not interested in t4 glove/malchazeen/chess event shoulders anymore, gladiator dagger next week).

yeah kara loots are just meh, cept for the weapons and t4 helms that prince drops

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Added on May 3, 2007, 5:22 pmbtw grats on the dagger ^^

This post has been edited by sets84: May 3 2007, 05:22 PM

yea full clear includes those bosses
andddddd yea , kara loot is way overrated
but good way to gear alts tho !!
wtb spiteblade for my rogue

full clear ( all bosses ) = 4hrs or sometimes just slightly more.

Time to get that whip cracking

My group still skips Maiden (we so hate her)

Last nite, started at 915, took 2.5 hours to clear attumen,moroes,R+J,Curator then we tried Nightbane for first time....he is a BIG SCARY SOB....love the graphic when he comes flying in low.

Back in SW by 12AM...

Aran and chess tonite, maybe try Nigthbane again

We finally got Ilhoof down yesterday, not a fun fight. It just takes so long doing the same thing over and over again. Had a few goes on netherspite, people are still unsure of the concept behind him but that looks to be a much more fun encounter.

Nightbane, is impossible for me with the current lag... can't stance dance after spotting the ground tremor quickly enough . Will have to try timing the fears and offtanking him.

many of kara fights are just doing same thing over and over @@
nightbane . netherspite...
phase 1 phase 2 phase 1 phase 2
zzzzzzzz

...and over...and over....and over....

up down left right.

hai, raid is just as complicated as dancing.

Dun look at the ground, look at his potrait n stance dance when u see him casting.

Doesn't matter when you have 1.4k ms and the fear is a 2sec cast. Ground is more reliable for me at least imo, i notice it earlier then the cast bar. Very sure i could do it with under 1k ms, just about.

the hard part is only the first time he fears on every phase 1 since its random.

if you have all the time to wait for him to fear without doing anything that effects global cooldown it should not be hard, but the world is not perfect.

if you are an undead, man its easy as hell, wotf first fear, then you can time the other fears. Get tremor ready too just incase.

most of the time if you are feared, some healer is going to die

This post has been edited by plaz: May 4 2007, 02:06 PM