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amir.asyraf
post Oct 16 2017, 02:25 PM

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Go see a psychiatrist la
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(happy free woman 20 @ Oct 16 2017, 04:15 PM)
Most probably will say that TS is delusional, demential, anxious or "buy polar" bear.
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That's why he needs professional help, he and his uncle is hallucinating, which may be caused by some sort of mental illness.

Ghosts doesn't don't exist.

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post Oct 16 2017, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(coffeholic @ Oct 16 2017, 04:22 PM)
TS already said

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my uncle sees the same thing as I do. So we often look at the same areas when these things passed by, mentioned their features to each other,etc..

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How to explain they both see ghost in same area and both notice at same time when same ghost appear.

Not that i believe ghost until i see one myself. I just keep an open mind and see.

TS already say he live a normal live and just sharing only.
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How do you know they're actually seeing the same thing? They're telling each other, could just be one person 'sees' the thing AFTER it has been described, and it goes both way.. or it's confirmation bias.

The only way to prove it is to do an experiment with valid, credible methods (such as double blind experiment).

Many people with mental illnesses live a normal life. There are a lot of mental conditions, mental illness doesn't necessarily means gila.
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 16 2017, 04:24 PM)
Ghost or demon does exist ler, personally i saw a possessed man can talk in different language in different tone with super human strength. Some part of his skin color also turned to some purple or blueish type. I knew this person too so i know he does not know all those weird foreign languages.

Need few man to hold him tight and pastor say some prayers to halau the demon off the possessed person body. Real setory ler!
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QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Oct 16 2017, 04:34 PM)
Some ppl just won't believe till they see it with their own eyes.
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I also 'saw' ghosts or figures when I was little and naive. Then I grew up, found logical thinking and they all suddenly vanished! No more sightings.

You see what you want to believe (either you'd like it or not)
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Spawnster @ Oct 16 2017, 04:51 PM)
I've always been a non believer of existence of spirits and ghost, always thought it was Hollywood tales spun to scare you. However my Malay friend showed me his cctv footage outside his house yard at night. Can see so many spirits walking around, some sitting, some holding what looks like a sword. Some are like lights, some are human like. Even 1 shot was 3 spirits together. That night I just couldn't sleep.. Haha.
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Are you sure they're not kids or cosplayers
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 16 2017, 04:57 PM)
So i saw pastor repelling demon from a possessed man is illogical.

If i embrace logical thinking so i would have thought they are shooting a movie scene.  thumbup.gif thanks for ur enlightenment !
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Did you physically see a ghost/figure leaving or entering the 'possessed' man? If you did, do you have physical evidence of it?

Almost all cases of 'possession' are basically people with schizophrenia, drug abuse, stress, or some other factors that affects the brain. That's why mass hysteria usually happens during times of stress and tension (examinations, tests etc.).


QUOTE(happy free woman 20 @ Oct 16 2017, 05:00 PM)
I don't think that you have proof for your last statement, do you?

Just because you don't see any (or perhaps you didn't realise that you had seen them) does it mean that they do not exist?

Most important of all what proof do you have that TS and his uncle are mentally unsound?
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No I don't have proof. In this case, there's more need to prove that ghosts DO exist than not. Because while current scientific understanding doesn't outright disprove ghosts, the existence of them is extremely unlikely. It's just illogical.

So it's not that I have to prove they don't exist, but you believers that needs to prove that they don't.

Also, I don't, that's why the need to go to the professionals to get evaluated.

P.S. Oh and I did see 'ghosts/figures' when I was little (age < 13), but I learnt it's all basically bullshit and it's just your eyes and brain trying to fuck with you.

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post Oct 16 2017, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 16 2017, 05:26 PM)
Demon/ Ghost is intangible being so how to gauge? If i say i have seen it, u may say i'm on drugs too no? That is the problem...
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sigh...

Where did you get your science education? Intangibility or the fact that something is quantifiable or not isn't a problem.

That's the thing! I couldn't say because I don't know what kind of condition you fucking have! There are a lot of factors, a lot of variables. It's not all black and white, 1s and 0s! For all I know you might have a mental condition that makes you hallucinates and see things that isn't there.
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(coffeholic @ Oct 16 2017, 06:04 PM)
There is known known and known unknown.

Science cant definitely disprove the existence of ghost just as there is no scientific proof of ghost.

For now it is a known unknown until more proof, why are you so adamant about ghost being fake? I personally accept it's a known unknown for me. Not everything have to be false or true.

One of the values of a scientific mind is open mindedness, the willingness to change given new proof/discovery and accept that there will be known unknown.
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Before anything, I suggest you should read what I wrote: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=86702480

I'm not saying ghosts are fake, I'm saying they don't exist.

Our current scientific understanding just doesn't go along with ghosts. I'm not saying current methods are perfect, but they're not really flawed either. Bear in mind, these understanding is what's enabling you to read what I've written here, travel to work by any mode of transportation, your phone, your life, literally almost everything nowadays is dictated by our current understanding of science, meaning it works and it's valid. To fit in ghosts and the paranormals here, a lot of fundamental things need to be changed. Sure, in the future, our understanding of the laws of nature may change, but what we're having now certainly isn't wrong. Please let's not venture into quantum topics...
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(MatrixRevo @ Oct 16 2017, 06:19 PM)
Dun care what you said. They exist. Coz i have encountered them.
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What's your point? I've also 'encountered' them several times. Still doesn't negate the possibility that it may have been visual/auditory hallucinations, visual interference etc...
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 16 2017, 06:24 PM)
Too much science for u making u hallucinate sigh... everything also need science to prove. So science also can't proved got God, hell and heaven no?
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lol wow there's no such thing as too much science. Kau ingat makanan ke apa.

No, science can't definitively prove god or heaven or hell, but no one can provide concrete evidence for them either.

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post Oct 16 2017, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(NearN @ Oct 16 2017, 06:28 PM)
why so much hate bro,TS just telling his exp,u dont believe its up to u,no one force u to belif it either,u just focus on ur science thing  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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That was a legitimate question, not sure what you're on about...
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 16 2017, 06:34 PM)
Not sure how to quantify science but i think science channel is that way --------->

This is supernatural channel  innocent.gif
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This is in Kopitiam.

This is an open thread.
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post Oct 17 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(zxmmy @ Oct 17 2017, 11:21 AM)
So... alam ghaib tak wujud ??
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No one can say that for certain...

However with the current understanding of science, very highly unlikely. I'm not saying our understanding won't change in the future, but that's how it is now.

Also, everyone should see this marvelous statement by Richard Dawkins (0.50 onwards):



bitches.... grin.gif hahaha

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post Oct 17 2017, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(ShuiXiaoYa @ Oct 17 2017, 12:08 PM)
Hello everyone, I am a long time lurker for several years, but this is the first time I have ever posted on a thread. I have literally read every single post from page 1 from the first day this thread was posted by TS , and I would like to share with all of you regarding my experience with this topic.  ( This is going to be a rather long post )
Anyways,  here goes.  12 years ago when I was 9 years old, My family and I had this really close family friends. Our parents were like best friends, so we would visit them very often. They had one son and a daughter. I was introduced to their son and we became very close friends.

Throughout my time knowing them, they really did seem normal and nothing peculiar. They were a rather wealthy family, living in a big bungalow.
However as I spent more and more time with the son, I noticed that he did indeed act very strange at times, same goes to his father. They wouldn't tell me what was going on and told me to forget about it. And so we did , and carried on after those abrupt "phases".

However as we got closer and closer, there were times that the son would just keep screaming unbearably , like he had mood swings or something was poking around him . Also an odd thing that I have noticed is that he would literally scream uncontrollably if you accidentally took a picture of him and yells that the "other people" wouldn't like it or something. Then at that moment I did noticed there really was something odd with him.

So one day on our way back from our visits, I asked my parents what was really going on with him. And so they told me to speak with his mother when we visited them again.
During our next visit, their father was out and her son was playing in the garden with my siblings. Me and my parents sat down with his mother and she confided in us their story.

She revealed that her son acts like this is because he is taught that he can see other "beings" since of young age. We couldn't really understand what she was trying to say. What did she mean by taught to believe? She further elaborated that her husband's side of the family does in fact suffer from schizophrenia and her son has inherited the disease.

Her husband suffered from schizophrenia as well, but over the years it has become more and more milder. The reason is that , she was told by her husband's father who does not suffer from schizophrenia, that her husband was told from young age that all these symptoms and hallucinations suffered from schizophrenia are actually caused by "having abilities to see ghosts/spirits". We assumed this is a way old folk handled this metal illness and has passed down to his mother.

After hearing this, we were even more confused and a bit furious to why would they lie to someone about a mental illness? Why not seek professional help?
Well, she further explained that, rather then telling someone that they are mentally ill , it would be better to tell them that they have "abilities" since young age, as this would allow them to develop their mentality more positively and allows them to live a normal life without being condemned with a mental disease. She told us she would at times play along with her son when he claims to see these "beings" and says she sees them as well and tries to her best to describe them as similarly as her son does to convince him, he's not alone.

After hearing all her thorough explanations. It did indeed make a little sense although still baffled by her explanations. In a way , this "practice" did manage to have a positive effect on her husband when he was younger as he managed to live a normal life , and only suffers from non disruptive mild schizophrenia to this day.

She explained that this practice is more common within Asia, treating this mental illness as an illusion of a "supernatural gift" to help the people suffering from this disease, having a positive approach and not be condemned by this illness. Which is also a possible reason why in western countries there are more mental institutions actively running as these people are labelled with a mental illness and are treated as patients which can really deteriorate their mentality and further enabling their sickness.

I know many of you may hate me for sharing this truth, but these are the exact words his mother shared with us. So after hearing this story we continued to live as usual ,visiting their family occasionally. We acted normally when these schizophrenic "moments"  occur, and carried on with what we're doing normally.

This continued for several years.. However, unfortunately the schizophrenia
got too bad for her son and too much for them to handle, much worse then his father and he passed away due to asphyxiated / heart failure in his bed. (I wasn't sure this was 9 years ago and they didn't tell us in detail of the cause of death).

In a way we sort of blamed his parents for playing along with this "supernatural gift" illusion and not actually seeking professional help, but in the end who are we to judge.

Regards.

Rest in peace Ahmad.
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Thank you... People in Malaysia are still downplaying mental illness like schizophrenia, saying it's an 'ability' or 'gift', when in fact it's an illness. When someone goes manic, they say he's possessed by something supernatural. When someone 'sees' something, it's ghost or spirits. Anything weird that they don't understand they relate it to being a supernatural phenomena... When in fact, almost all of it can be rationally explained, or at least have a logical explanation. We have contraptions than can fly in the air for hours faster than the speed of sound, land on the moon millions of kilometers away, intercept asteroids moving at hundreds to thousands of kilometers per second, communicate at the nearly the speed of light, and people still choose to believe something so unsubstantiated .

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