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mini orchard
post Oct 29 2021, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(cycheah @ Oct 29 2021, 05:18 PM)
this is quite eye opening, especially i have been surveying on auction property.

then what is the point of doing auction even you get cheap deal? in the end you get late interest penalty, especially people already know yet let you walk into such trap
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You cant have the best of everything.

Auction is NOT for everyone. You know game, you make money.


mini orchard
post Oct 30 2021, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Oct 30 2021, 07:42 AM)
Need some help.
1. How likely a property being auction by bank got caveat launched by someone else?
2. How to check if this property is being launched caveat?
3. What is the scenario of unable to transfer.. I will the auction deal considered void?
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1. 50/50 ... likely and unlikely.....proceed to No.2

2. Title search

3. Deposit forfeited ...... seller gain.
mini orchard
post Oct 30 2021, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(murnuh @ Oct 30 2021, 09:07 AM)
Hi, I'm interested in participating in an auction and I am wondering if there's a facility or financing where I can do like buying a property, markup your SPA so that you can loan more for renovating and the like.

Any leads?
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How to mark up when is a public auction ?
mini orchard
post Oct 30 2021, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(murnuh @ Oct 30 2021, 10:55 AM)
Let's assume that I've won the bidding. Is there any way other than personal financing for extra capital.
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No.

If you buy way way below market value, maybe you can try to apply for higher loan amount based on the valuation report but is subject to approval.

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post Oct 30 2021, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Oct 30 2021, 05:44 PM)
Lead to item no.2? Website or agent?
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Land office.
mini orchard
post Oct 31 2021, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Oct 31 2021, 06:21 AM)
If without title.. can still search at land office?
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Yes, get the title details from the POS.
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post Oct 31 2021, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Oct 31 2021, 10:58 AM)
how to check in Land office? Mean we have to walk into Land office or can check online?
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No online ...all must walk in.
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post Dec 23 2021, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(responsibleroy @ Dec 23 2021, 08:37 AM)
I read through, some forum members said the 1st auction is normally the market value. But is this always the case?

I see an auction house state that market value is rm810k but 1st auction is rm650k (about 20% lower)

Was wondering which is actually the market value. 810k or 650k?
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1st auction is 'Force Sale Value' .... a price that a prospective buyer would likely to pay without viewing the property condition and other cost that he may have to pay if he wins the auction.

Is a form of 'discount' given for the risk, otherwise buyer will buy subsale.

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post Dec 23 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(forever1979 @ Dec 23 2021, 08:57 AM)
last time i worked in bank @ auction sale, my time i remember 1st auction we need to use MV for first auction Reserve Price.
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Is up to the bank whether how quick they want to foreclose the property base on the market situation. The bank can also start above MV.

Logically if is MV, I dont think any bidder wants to take risk UNLESS, he has full knowledge of the property and it suits him and to buy at whatever price.
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post Feb 17 2022, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Feb 17 2022, 02:59 PM)
Anyone can explain what is a private treaty?
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Subsale....where price concluded is not 'public' and tnc are agreeable to both.

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post Feb 17 2022, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Feb 17 2022, 03:21 PM)
meaning private treaty = subsale? everything is the same as subsale?
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mini orchard
post Feb 25 2022, 05:40 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 25 2022, 01:09 AM)
so if previous tenant pour cement in jamban kenot retract?
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You wont know until you take possession .
mini orchard
post Mar 10 2022, 04:47 PM

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Exim Bank ‘reckless’, sought ‘collateral advantage’ when selling hotel, rules court

FMT Reporters -March 10, 2022 2:57 PM

The Don Chan Palace Hotel and related properties along the Mekong River in Laos were sold for US$36 million although they had been valued at US$71 million seven months earlier.

SEREMBAN: The High Court here has admonished Export-Import Bank of Malaysia Bhd (Exim Bank) for wrongful conduct in the sale of certain high-value secured properties belonging to a borrower in a case which concluded here last week.

“The conduct of selling the secured property for US$36 million without knowing the actual market value of the same clearly points to nothing less than a reckless act on the part of (Exim Bank) with complete disregard of the defendants,” Federal Court judge Zabariah Mohd Yusof, sitting as the trial judge, said in her grounds of decision.

“This court certainly does not condone such conduct.”

The properties included the Don Chan Palace Hotel, a 5-star international hotel constructed on a swathe of land measuring almost 176,000 sq metres along the Mekong River in Laos valued at US$140 million.

Concessionaire Sun Holding, the alter ego of Seremban-based entity Rancang Timur Sdn Bhd, had mortgaged the hotel and RM109 million worth of third party-owned assets as well as its development rights to Exim Bank to secure financing facilities for the project.

Zabariah was hearing a counterclaim brought by the defendants, Sun Holding (Sun Park Hotel) Co Ltd, and two individuals, Cheok Tiam Cheng and Cheok Soon Guan, against Exim Bank for wrongful and unconscionable conduct and for usurping Sun Holding’s right to the property and the development.

“The facts show that the plaintiff (Exim Bank) did not do any valuation on the secured property and there was no attempt by the plaintiff to determine the prevailing market value at the time of the sale which prejudiced the rights and interests of the defendants,” she said.

“It appears that the plaintiff was only interested to obtain a sum which was just enough to cover the debt owed.”

Zabariah said she found it “perplexing” that Exim Bank would choose to sell for US$36 million given that the International Commercial Bank Lao Ltd (ICBL) had valued the property at US$71 million a mere seven months earlier.

Dismissing its contention that the sale price had been determined on a “willing buyer, willing seller” basis, the judge said the ICBL valuation should have at least triggered Exim Bank into carrying out a proper valuation of the properties.

“There was practically no attempt by the plaintiff to find out the true market value of the secured property,” she said.

Zabariah concluded that Exim Bank had exercised its power of sale improperly and for a collateral purpose.

She found that Exim Bank had sold the hotel to Masceana, a special purpose vehicle in which it owned a 51% stake, with the intention of securing a substantial profit for itself.

“Effectively, the plaintiff did sell the secured property to itself,” she said, adding that it had acted in conflict of interest.

As a result of the transactions, Exim Bank ended up with a “collateral advantage”, having recovered the entire debt of US$36 million while acquiring 51% beneficial ownership of the hotel and its land, Zabariah said.

In contrast, Sun Holding was deprived of the true value of the development.

Finding that Exim Bank had breached its duties of care and to act in good faith when exercising its power of sale, Zabariah allowed the counterclaim and ordered an assessment of damages, including aggravated and punitive or exemplary damages, if proven, together with interest and costs.

She also ordered the release and discharge of all third-party legal charges held by Exim Bank.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...el-rules-court/

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post Mar 11 2022, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(vinceleo @ Mar 11 2022, 08:56 AM)
Valuation merely $$$$ indicative most important if there is any taker to valuation sum

Zabariah said she found it “perplexing” that Exim Bank would choose to sell for US$36 million given that the International Commercial Bank Lao Ltd (ICBL) had valued the property at US$71 million a mere seven months earlier.
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Zabariah concluded that Exim Bank had exercised its power of sale improperly and for a collateral purpose.

She found that Exim Bank had sold the hotel to Masceana, a special purpose vehicle in which it owned a 51% stake, with the intention of securing a substantial profit for itself.


If at all there is no taker, isnt is right to start from high to low ?

Exim Bank had breached its duties of care and to act in good faith when exercising its power of sale,

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post Oct 23 2022, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 23 2022, 11:24 AM)
During MCO, a lot of online course is provided, and auction property investment course is one become viral as well. Can see now a day more investors start playing Auction market. Is it a good or bad sign for property industry? Haha

Since Auction market is hot now, hope this thread can be keeping update frequently. And sharing the story like unit reauction etc.
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It is easier for agents to promote auction properties because there is no viewing and no negotiation.

Bidding is the only deciding factor. Bid till wallet can afford.

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mini orchard
post Oct 27 2022, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 27 2022, 12:54 PM)
M vertiva auction viral rise a issues, is it real if the buyer not paying progressive interest, bank will auction the unit? (i know m vertica block A B obtain vp already).

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1. Not pay progressive, unit was auctioned before vp
2. not paying progressive, unit was auctioned after vp (immediately)
3. not paying progressive, unit was auctioned after vp 3 month (not serve the installment as well)
4. Any abandon unit auctioned before? if the buyer failed to serve the interest.
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Banks can only auction the unit after releasing the full loan sum, otherwise developer will not give consent to transfer to new buyer.

What use if auction when bank cannot assign the right of ownership to the next owner.

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post Oct 27 2022, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 27 2022, 02:11 PM)
blush.gif But some of the auction case required winner to settled the outstanding (downpayment) before able to claim the key from developer.

For what i know and thinking is, Buyer loan 70%, left 10% downpayment. Buyer unable to pay the installment, and then the unit has been auctioned. After several round, a buyer win the auction and get the unit. So once everything settled, want to get the name transfer from developer then only know, this unit not yet vped due to left downpayment. so the winner buyer responsible to pay the defaulter downpayment then only able to claim the unit.  wink.gif

some auction bidder not even do the due diligent at developer park before bidding.
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All tnc of any auction unit must be stated in the pos, including any known payment to the developers, local authority, state govt, utility co etc and how much the assignee bank is willing to pay and balance by the buyer.

In any sale and purchase, a seller or assignee must have the right to transfer title and if he dont have, how can subsequent buyer acquired the right ?

Any payment due to the developer in respect of the purchase price is to be settled from the auction proceeds b4 rights can be transferred, or

If the bank wants the buyer to pay the balance purchase price, then the property should be indicated as an 'incompleted' building and the valuation price adjusted accordingly to reflect the 'status' of the property.

Buyer buy at own risk and as it basis but the bank cannot legally withhold information when it is important for the formation of a contract aka misrepresentation, albeit is an auction.

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post Nov 3 2022, 06:17 AM

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QUOTE(Onetwothreeeee @ Nov 2 2022, 01:24 PM)
Auction rumawip need consent one meh? Once it's auctioned, then it's free market product no?
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Generally is ONLY free market up to the time of auction for open unit. The winner will have to abide by the tnc for subsequent subsale unless it goes into auction again.

For example rsku, a non bumi owner auction unit will automatic become bumi unit if the winner is a bumi and can only be sold to bumi in a subsale transaction or auction.

Each state will have their own housing policy in affordable housing.

QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 2 2022, 01:36 PM)
Should be, but if the project yet to name transfer, still under developer name, and most of the time rumahwip is leasehold property. Need to get the consent as well. So unclear about this situation.
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Generally, all govt housing need consent for transfer. Freehold or lessehold is inmaterial. Is also developers requirement if strata title not issued.

A winner in an auction also require to apply for consent as a formality otherwise land office will not register the name in title.

QUOTE(ice_ngoi @ Nov 2 2022, 11:36 PM)
if rejected due to state consent for non bumi unit then usually allow to refund the 10% downpayment, read the POS and double confirm with the lelong bank and auction house.
like low cost house must meet the low income requirement or state regulation usually it will state on POS also, or do title search before buy.
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Generally in open unit, the onus is on the bidder to ensure he is qualified to buy b4 the auction date and refund is at the discretion of the auction bank but normally no refund unless pos info is incorrect.

If every bidder gets no consent, then auction bank will be busy with refund for each round.

This is to discourage 'luck' bidder to disrupt the sale process. Any reauction may be additional cost to the owner defaulter.

Similarly, why would a non bumi buyer buy a bumi unit knowningly very well it will get rejected. Lawyer fees is not free for SnP, albeit the deposit is refundable.

Similar with loan. If winner cannot get a loan to complete the transaction, he either pays cash or have his deposit forfeited.

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post Nov 3 2022, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 3 2022, 07:03 PM)
Opr increase 0.25 again. 2.75 ATM.

Is it compusolary to pay the installment based on interest rate increasing?

If failed to do, will the unit become lelong? Or just the loan amount accumulated for longer loan tenure. But at least the unit not getting lelong.
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Bank will advise new instalment amount effective date. Borrowers are required to pay the new amount. Any short payment will be considered a default and will be charged further interest.

Borrower will be informed to revert the account to current status, failing which, the bank can recall the loan anytime after expiry of notice.
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post Nov 10 2022, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 10 2022, 07:50 AM)
I have a question regarding auction value. A lot of investor sharing, to get good roi and profit, better looking property below 30 - 40%

So if let said an auction unit when should us in?

10 year old condo
Spa price with developer 1million
Net price with developer 900k
Bank value 850k
Market value average from property search engine + transection record 750k

So the word below market value should be based on 750k? Or 850k?
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One missing figure ...

What is the starting auction bid price (reserved price) ?

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