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AskarPerang
post May 20 2021, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(ruffell @ May 20 2021, 02:39 PM)
Sifus,

I've been learning and  tried to purchase lelong units in setiawangsa/wangsa maju for few times. But everytime I contacted the lelong agent to ask for info, they all informed property already sold despite i contacted them only few hours or a day after they posted it online.
Is there something im doing wrong or something that i dont know?

Im still newbie to auction here.
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Wangsa Maju: https://www.lelongtips.com.my/search/wangsa%20maju
Setiawangsa: https://www.lelongtips.com.my/search/setiawangsa
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post May 23 2021, 04:35 PM

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This lelong unit. Refer video.
Stated value 400k. Sold at 135k. The bidder fail to bid via online due to connection problem. A loss of 200k.


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They bought the first unit too. Sold at RP 441k. This unit:

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post May 24 2021, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ May 24 2021, 04:51 PM)
are the any service provided to check whether the owner is paying the debt or not?

CCRIS cannot check 3rd party.
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The only important bills to check:
- Maintenance fees and related fees with the management office
- Cukai taksiran with the local council
- Quit rent with the land office
- Water with SYABAS or related water provider
- Indah Water with IWK

Refer to POS, item 1,2,3 bank will cover or not.
Utility bill item 4,5 will not covered. For TNB, able to change name without settle the outstanding.
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post May 25 2021, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ May 25 2021, 10:09 AM)
LACA case like strata title is out but still under developer name. so this case hardly got any caveat?
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Possible to have caveat. Here an example: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=100453701
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post Jun 17 2021, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ Jun 16 2021, 02:52 PM)
Need case study here. what could be wrong in this auction property?

It look like
1) The current SnP owner Liew/Shu bought from Koh in 2007? 
2) What does gadaian menjamin wang pokok mean? Refinance to get more money from bank?
3) Chan paid deposit 400k and log caveat on 2016. Till now still cannot get the house? What’s could be the problem?

https://www.facebook.com/KLSelangorBankLelo...?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/KLSelangorBankLelo...?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/KLSelangorBankLelo...?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/KLSelangorBankLelo...?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/KLSelangorBankLelo...?type=3&theater
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2) They bought the house in 2007 taking CIMB loan. Then refinance in 2011 with CIMB.
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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Jul 12 2021, 08:58 AM)
Nothing wrong in marketing.

But should not mislead.

Very often the agents will claim or mislead the buyer into believing the original sale price as the current market value.

The they will Mis-advertise the property has xx% below “market value” and that the buyer will profit by xx%.

This to me is cheating. Dishonest way of doing business.

Usually the property will be auctioned off very close to market price but way below original S&P price. That’s because a lot of properties were sold at inflated prices to begin with.

One can call it whatever one wants and try to justify but to me it’s being place dishonest.
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Last sekali, isu market value. Siapakah yang tentukan market value utk hartanah yang ada? REN? Lawyer? Youtuber? Tukang lelong?Penulis ebook? Selebriti fesbuk? Pemaju? Valuer? Bank? Caprice? Semua mungkin ada teori dan pendapat masing masing pasal market value. Tetapi bagi saya yang kita boleh pakai dan ada kegunaan, hanya dari VALUER dan BANK sahaja. Pendapat yang lain hanyalah pendapat sahaja yang tiada nilai dimata bank.


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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Jul 25 2021, 11:47 PM)
Hi AskarPerang, any changes on the rules below since 2017? I was in the impression that legal fee for S&P is a must under I read your post icon_idea.gif

1. 10% dp of the final winning price. rest 90% using loan or (70% loan + cash)
2. Legal fees for DOA & Loan Agreement. (lelong no S&P so legal cost will be slightly lower compare to buying from subsale).
3. Stamp duty (MOT & Loan).
4. Valuation fees.
5. Outstanding utilities bill.
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No changes. Everything still the same.
Just that maybe a small update for outstanding TNB bill. Winning bidder no longer need to settle the defaulter outstanding TNB. You can change name without problem.
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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Jul 26 2021, 12:16 AM)
Hi AskarPerang,

I always wanted to ask this. They say you need to give 10% of the winning price. But you won't know what is the final price you will win right?

Say RP is 300,000 and I am willing to bid until max 330,000. Should I prepare a 33,000 bank draft? What if I win at 310,000?

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You only need to prepare the exact 10% of the reserve price to register for the bidding.
In case, there is an increase in price from 300k and sold at 330k. You will need to top up another 3k (10% of 30k, the bid increment) after winning the bid. You can do that by online transfer.
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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Aug 3 2021, 05:05 PM)
which auction website has free POS? most of the website i.e; Lelongtips need u to have credits to view the POS.....or they dont even have it..... so far only NG CHAN MAU website is the best... provide transparent free POS.
Anyone can recommend?
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All big auctioneer website able to retrieve the POS from there. Some smaller one required you to email them. Even smaller one then you need to call them.
POS is free. No charges required.
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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Aug 4 2021, 10:21 AM)
can recommend top 3 sites? most of them there is a link but once u click inside is empty...conjob yet again.... dont they know if they have complete info and provide POS easily they will get more buyers???
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https://www.ehsanauctioneers.com/
https://www.ngchanmau.com/
http://auctions.com.my/
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QUOTE(Sakurako @ Aug 10 2021, 08:54 PM)
I never buy a property in lelong. correct me if im wrong. Want to ask example im interested on a lelong property value 500,000 bank HSBC. What I need to prepare? I saw need 10% deposit and if win bid, 90% balance to HSBC within 90 days, maintenance fee etc. could claim to HSBC, S&P, legal etc is borne by purchaser.

Process 1 prepare 10% and join bidding. (Assume win)
Process 2 I need to get bank loan (how? walk in to bank?), get a lawyer to handle the S&P, legal etc? Estimated how much needed RM?
Process 3 As this is new project and strata title shall be issue soon, i need to prepare a sum of money for MOT? Estimated how much needed?
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2. Any bankers and any lawyer will be able to assist you actually. Get a good and efficient ones.
Same like buying from subsale, you will need to pay stamp duty (MOT) here as you are considered as 2nd hand purchaser. Doesn't matter whether the project is still master title or already issued title.
The quoted legal fees will include this stamp duty fees. Lawyer will make the payment on your behalf.
The amount is approx 5% of the winning price (assume 90% loan).

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ Sep 3 2021, 04:41 PM)
today my fb spam with all these ad

WHAT THE F---?!!  Arte Mont Kiara..
Bid from RM 640k to RM 1.14 mil…
All agent know what is happening, we looking forward for the unit to re-auction again in future…

what does it means by "All agent know what is happening" ??
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QUOTE(kenl3w @ Oct 10 2021, 02:12 PM)
hi all sifus,

Recently I am looking at an auctioned unit - RHB. Leasehold, KL address high rise. Strata title ready and it is not perfect. Double transfer is needed.

question to ask:
1) Does RHB absorb the cost of title perfection (legal + stamp duty) from developer to existing owner?
2) I am thinking to bid it at 4th round. is it too late?

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1) No auction bank will bear this cost. Is always the responsibility of the winning bidder to settle.
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post Oct 27 2021, 10:53 PM

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Here a good example of case study.
Unit sold back in Dec 2020 by a lady name "Siti".
Bid fight from 324K, sold at 420K.
Almost 100K increase in price.
Much higher than 2 previous rounds reserve pricing.
Details as below:

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Today, the same unit re-auction again by the bank.
Meaning?
The buyer fail or forfeit completing the process.
10% deposit equivalent to 42K burnt.
Most probably didnt aware that here required double transfer process since title issued by the developer but the defaulter didnt complete the perfection yet.


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Additional info: Leasehold until 2091
This unit is non bumi lot. Anyone can buy.

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Oct 27 2021, 11:07 PM)
Double transfer meaning just pay 2 times stamp duty right? If yes, should be quite straightfoward. Wonder why they will forfeit it?
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Money (cost) is one thing.
Another thing is time. Not possible to complete within the given 90 days time frame. If really keen, can request from the auction bank for extension (possible will be charge late interest penalty). Double transfer case can take up to 1 year long to settle.
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QUOTE(responsibleroy @ Dec 23 2021, 08:37 AM)
I read through, some forum members said the 1st auction is normally the market value. But is this always the case?

I see an auction house state that market value is rm810k but 1st auction is rm650k (about 20% lower)

Was wondering which is actually the market value. 810k or 650k?
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Not always the case.
CIMB is the usual bank that sometimes priced the reserve price lower.
Will attract many bidders so actually is a good marketing tactics.

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