I'll make a note of that

You aren't getting it my friend. We don't support the club because of it's players or it's managers. We support the club because of the club. We love it's history, traditions and culture. I'm going to stop here because I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. We may live thousands of miles away but we feel a strong connection with the club. Just because someone hasn't been there, doesn't mean they can't be fans (I've been there btw). I know this because I see how emotional people like Jonno, JonC, Monstar, etc get when watching games. Supporting the club however transcends beyond what you see on the pitch. Events like Hillborough, Heysel, even Michael Shields being incarcerated for a crime he did not commit, draw emotional responses. If you don't feel the same then nothing I can say will make you understand.

National team? I don't have any reason to.

My sentiments exactly.

As opposed to your retarded comment.

So why bother getting involved in this conversation when you clearly aren't a real fan? You just had to add your 2 cents didn't you?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 22 2008, 12:10 PM

Football is essentially a blue collared sport and most avid fans are from blue-collared backgrounds. Maybe that's why someone with a PHD coming from a privileged background doesn't understand it.

I wrote that in response to something else.

In any case, someone that is less privileged and saves up to follow his beloved team everywhere including Europe stands out more than someone with wads of money. It may be stereotypical but while you can doubt the passion and commitment of someone with heaps of money, you certainly can't with say a cab driver who blows his life savings on say going to Istanbul or Athens.

I've been and yes, it's not the best of places to live. I stated earlier that what I typed was in response to a previous post so laugh outta your ass will ya? I don't expect you to do so now given it's pages back, but check on air_mood's argument with shah to get a better idea of what i said that.


This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 24 2008, 12:33 PM

I think it's ok to have a go at your players or manager every now and then especially if they're crap. Heck, you have a go at your friend if he's doing something wrong right? Doesn't mean you don't still love him as your friend. Footballers are professionals and heckling is an occupational hazard. You really think he's going to go home and cry if you scold and shout at him?

They probably were when Shankly was manager lol. Definitely not now!

Well they did pip us in 2005 when they 'qualified' for the Champions League.

It will only hurt if it's true. Why? Is what Vreis said true? Truth be told, football rivalries spark confrontation. Live with it. It doesn't have to be true, it doesn't have to be logical. Being a fan is mostly about emotion.

Having been born in the mid 70's, I am well aware of our glory days. Well my dad was a football fan and even as a wee little lad, I'd go to padang Timur to watch him play in the amateur league. I was well proud of our team back then and even as I'm moaning and complaining now, it's more out of frustration than hate. I'm frustrated that our football has degenerated to what it is now.

Maybe it's because it was such a long time ago. I like many others have short term memory. I did weep when Mokhtar passed away. He epitomised everything that was good in the Malaysian game. Back then though, my sense of national pride was much stronger, not like it is today. Sports aside, it has to do with the political environment and all. I just don't feel a strong affinity with my nation anymore.

Of course I feel a sense of pride, but I'm looking at the bigger picture here and not just as individuals. The team of old represents all that is missing from our nation at the moment. Okay, I'll limit my scope to football for now. Those days, the team played with pride and passion, they were playing as Malaysians, not Chinese, Malay or Indians. We were well and truly 'muhibbah' which even as I say it, warms the heart.

You'll come to realise that a good majority of fans don't bother to 'discover' more.

All I know is this; if the 'glamour pondan' remark was aimed at me, i'd like to meet him in person to see who the 'pondan' is. Be a man and say it to my face. If not then well, not my argument really.

I don't agree with progression either. I don't think this is taekwando or whatever where you need to earn different coloured belts sequentially. I used to follow the local league because we were decent back then, and also because coverage of world football was limited. I have since stopped following local football for a variety of reasons; politics, corruption, racial divide, etc. Who can support a league, team or whatever that doesn't have the best interest of it's fans at heart? The powers that be have made a mockery of football in this country and we deserve to be where we are at. Only time will tell when they have had enough of people laughing at us. What strategy did they adopt then? They came out with ads poking fun at people who follow football overseas and have denounced local football. Childish isn't it? Make fun of those who don't agree with us. It's the same approach they used to promote patriotism; asking everyone to put up our national flag at their homes. So waving the flag will miraculously help me forget every reason I have to be so unpatriotic? As usual, the problems are never addressed.

I don't see why someone cannot follow more than 1 league at a time. Most of us are football fans. I mean if we don't like football, why choose to support a football team. Yes, there are those who have bought into the brand and don't even watch the game but support a particular club. I am of the opinion however that one can only really support one club. I don't see why being a fan from abroad makes us any less of a fan, though I agree a big proportion aren't all that serious. A small minority however are probably on par and in some cases more of a fan. As it is, clubs are complaining about how the atmosphere are stadiums are deteriorating, reflecting that fans in general are becoming less and less involved. I honestly have seen more singing and chanting during a few MyRAWK viewings than at Anfield. Ok, so singing and chanting may not really reflect that we're fans but what does then?

You are a bitter one aren't you? They have a name for people who think they are the one true superior being amongst a sea of inferiority = wanker/jackass/retard. Oh wait, there is more than one world. What astounds me is how you keep coming back to these threads though you seem to think that everyone here is beneath you. Are you some middle aged bitter man that can't hold his own against people his age and comes here to pick on little kids to make himself feel bigger?

Because some people need to be put in their place. He comes on here, insults just about everyone and expects to get a free ride? I know what you're getting at, most people are ignoring him as it is. Perhaps I'll learn to do the same one day.

Cheers.

The difference is that you disagree for the sake of disagreeing. If I were afraid to disagree, I wouldn't have taken a dig at you now would I?

Is it some coincidence that even on forums such as the "real world issues" one, people think you are a prick? A string of coincidences can only indicate one thing. Care to take a stab at what?

You are entitled as deluded as you may be. How credible your claim is another matter all together. There is however some evidence that you do justice to the term. Is it a coincidence though that everyone seems to think you're a prick? Well maybe not your legion of admirers in the UK. Take your head out of your ass, listen to what people are saying and perhaps the world will look a little different.

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Added on February 26, 2008, 3:53 pm"the rest of you who responded to him (vulgar or rude or whatever), i'll give chance. next time don't respond to such jerks."

I was on the debate team. It's tough not to respond

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 26 2008, 03:53 PM

So you don't read your own posts?



Put it this way. No one here enjoys having a conversation with you because you can't be civil. For some reason you think everyone is beneath you. You talk down to people. Either mellow out or bugger off.

Anfield's infamous, "BADGEMAN"!




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As like any other discussion thread, it's longevity depends on your ability to put forth a decent argument backed by either facts, or at least some reasoning. How often to you see 'mortal enemies' like myself, kobe, airmood, jonno, madmoz, etc sharing the same thoughts and agreeing on the same subjects? The answer? Seldom. We do however have one thing in common. We back what we say up with reasoning. If we can keep doing that, I see no reason for a thread to be shut just because of one instigator.