In McLaren case, I think it's also largely due to arrogance of McLaren team, typical of a team which was so successful in the past. They just didn't want to accept that they are not as good anymore in developing the chassis so try to put Honda as the scape goat which partly true also (nobody denies that Honda that time was also very underpowered). It's simply Honda did not design well to begin with and develop fast enough while McLaren (and also Alonso) do not have enough patient to wait for more than 3 years for Honda to come good. McLaren is partially to blame also for not having a better chassis. I think Alonso's capability to outdrive a racing car to some extent masked McLaren chassis weaknesses. It's just not meant to be I guess, and it can be RB's luck if they win races next year as they bear the fruit of Honda's and McLaren's pain & sacrifices.

To me it's just a pity that a team as glorious as McLaren and a racer as outstanding as Alonso are languishing at the back, therefore risking to loose Alonso to other racing series.

William is much worst now... If stroll father pull out and bought force india, william will go bankrupt

In McLaren case, I think it's also largely due to arrogance of McLaren team, typical of a team which was so successful in the past. They just didn't want to accept that they are not as good anymore in developing the chassis so try to put Honda as the scape goat which partly true also (nobody denies that Honda that time was also very underpowered). It's simply Honda did not design well to begin with and develop fast enough while McLaren (and also Alonso) do not have enough patient to wait for more than 3 years for Honda to come good. McLaren is partially to blame also for not having a better chassis. I think Alonso's capability to outdrive a racing car to some extent masked McLaren chassis weaknesses. It's just not meant to be I guess, and it can be RB's luck if they win races next year as they bear the fruit of Honda's and McLaren's pain & sacrifices.

To me it's just a pity that a team as glorious as McLaren and a racer as outstanding as Alonso are languishing at the back, therefore risking to loose Alonso to other racing series.

Agreed. The way I see it McLaren would not compromise their design to accommodate the Honda engine. Honda tested their engine on the workbench extensively and went on great but when installed in the car, things didn't go so well. Honda had to design everything around the McLaren chasis but still it didn't work. Maybe it was Eric Boullier, maybe board of directors but definitely not the drivers since they didn't design the chasis. Toro Rosso has done a lot better as a comparison, the rate of engine failures are significantly less, only problem I see is inexperienced drivers but still the managed to get into the points in the first year of partnership with Honda.

Driver do provide input for car development. That's why senna is still regarded as best driver since he can help engineers designed better car. Also, driver needs to boost team morale, which alonso cannot do.

Somewhat true but modern F1 cars drivers don't have much say in chassis development as it involves a lot of computation and simulations. Drivers in the past literally work on their own cars whenever they are in the pits. Drivers nowadays when get to the pits they change to their fancy corporate uniform and look at the data and provide input(some of them).

Driver input is important. They do tweak the car while driving...much more than the olden days.

Even when you compared vettel and kimi steering wheel, vettel got extra lever to change more settings.

Also, when you as a driver keep emphasising on how 'good' the chassis is... That is a bad input

Driver input is important. They do tweak the car while driving...much more than the olden days.

Even when you compared vettel and kimi steering wheel, vettel got extra lever to change more settings.

Also, when you as a driver keep emphasising on how 'good' the chassis is... That is a bad input

Those are different kind of tweaks, brake balance, fuel map, engine map etc. That they do during the race/quali/practice. What I meant is chassis wise, the chassis is a fixed monocoque design which can't be adjusted, if they want changes made,they have to build a new one.

Daniel Ricciardo moving to Renault next year!

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/902559/1/offi...es-renault-2019

Daniel Ricciardo moving to Renault next year!

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/902559/1/offi...es-renault-2019

This will caused an all out war on and off track between drivers to get that seats at RB

Can be a wrong move by Ric. Seems like its about money that makes him move.

So who do you guys want to fulfill the RB seat? I wish Alonso would go there but I know it's wishful thinking coz RB would not want to pay his very high salary demand and Honda would not want to work with him anymore. So it's either Gasly or Sainz.

Ricardo is too old to wait for RB+Honda to develop a winning car. Renault is just the only option he has.

I vote for Gasly.

Ricardo is too old to wait for RB+Honda to develop a winning car. Renault is just the only option he has.

I vote for Gasly.

I have the same opinion, plus Renault has been steadily improving.

I think Sainz will return. We'll see Sainz/Max explosion again but at Redbull this time. More drama next year.

Disappointed Ric not taking Kimi seat to kick vettel's butt

Disappointed Hamilton not taking Kimi seat to repeat 2016 battle of teammate. Mercedes not capable of threaten Ferrari after this.
Then Ric shall take up Hamilton's seat at Mercedes

Im hoping for change in F1 scenario...
Crazy theori: Ham will do wat Nico did IF he gets the 5 titles..Alo will go to US...Leclerc in Red Prancing, Ocon replace Ham