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TSmiyazaki
post Oct 9 2017, 10:20 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hello sifus. I would like to know if a passive crossover is necessary. It came along with the component speaker set but there an ICE shop that said having a passive crossover is no longer necessary in today's modern car?? Plus it distorts the vocal regions of the music according to articles i read. Moving on the same page, i replaced my component tweets with a 3" full range speakers and the vocals are so much clear and crisp and this creates the sound stage infront on me. Without the passive crossovers, i feel my mid speakers and subs are not working on full capacity

The basic knowledge i know about crossover is that they split the frequencies for the low,medium and high and send it to the woofers, mid speakers and tweeters respectively. Next, i also came to know that active crossover is better than passive and they sounds like DSP but lack the time alignment, EQ,etcs. In conclusion, DSP is the way to go for long term active system. Hope the sifus here can guide me more on attaining a good audio knowledge

On top of that , i would like to get some brand recommendations for DSP. i heard from my car forum too saying that Match DSP (Audiotec Fischer) is good (plug and play type)and it cost a bomb

My current setup below. I hope i am on the right path for my car.

Tweets: Blam FR80
Mid speakers: Focal Expert PS 165x2
Subs: MB QUART MBPS8152

Cheers

This post has been edited by miyazaki: Oct 10 2017, 10:02 AM
giotto
post Oct 16 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(miyazaki @ Oct 9 2017, 10:20 PM)
Hello sifus. I would like to know if a passive crossover is necessary. It came along with the component speaker set but there an ICE shop that said having a passive crossover is no longer necessary in today's modern car?? Plus it distorts the vocal regions of the music according to articles i read. Moving on the same page, i replaced my component tweets with a 3" full range speakers and the vocals are so much clear and crisp and this creates the sound stage infront on me. Without the passive crossovers, i feel my mid speakers and subs are not working on full capacity

The basic knowledge i know about crossover is that they split the frequencies for the low,medium and high and send it to the woofers, mid speakers and tweeters respectively. Next, i also came to know that active crossover is better than passive and they sounds like DSP but lack the time alignment, EQ,etcs. In conclusion, DSP is the way to go for long term active system. Hope the sifus here can guide me more on attaining a good audio knowledge

On top of that , i would like to get some brand recommendations for DSP. i heard from my car forum too saying that Match DSP (Audiotec Fischer) is good (plug and play type)and it cost a bomb

My current setup below. I hope i am on the right path for my car.

Tweets: Blam FR80
Mid speakers: Focal Expert PS 165x2
Subs: MB QUART MBPS8152

Cheers
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Can i recommend you Venom DSP rather than Match. I've just installed the Venom DSP in my car and i must say very value for money. With your current set up, the DSP will surely elevate the sound staging to a different level altogether coz i'm running on stock Honda HRV speakers only.
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(giotto @ Oct 16 2017, 11:47 AM)
Can i recommend you Venom DSP rather than Match.  I've just installed the Venom DSP in my car and i must say very value for money.  With your current set up, the DSP will surely elevate the sound staging to a different level altogether coz i'm running on stock Honda HRV speakers only.
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How much you bought it?
TSmiyazaki
post Oct 18 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(giotto @ Oct 16 2017, 11:47 AM)
Can i recommend you Venom DSP rather than Match.  I've just installed the Venom DSP in my car and i must say very value for money.  With your current set up, the DSP will surely elevate the sound staging to a different level altogether coz i'm running on stock Honda HRV speakers only.
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I have to agree that the Venom DSP is value for money. I had a friend who introduced me this and at the least this is a starting point to experience a DSP kit in a car
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post Nov 13 2017, 07:14 PM

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Which one is better..venom dsp or crossfire dsp?
craziechild
post Nov 14 2017, 10:36 PM

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any dsp is good as long as they serve their purpose...

For TS case,
your sound not performing good enough inho is mostly because you are not feeding enough power to your component sets... hence the sound is "unclear"... focals products basically needs a lot of power to be singing at their full potential...

generally speaking...
any DSP would need a good sound tuning to make wonders...
any drivers would need sufficient power to be able to sing properly...

most importantly,
any setup would need a top notch installations...

far too many times I have encounter systems that use high end stuff all around... top to bottom, all branded, proven components... but installations and tuning just kills the whole experience...

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post Nov 16 2017, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Nov 14 2017, 10:36 PM)
any dsp is good as long as they serve their purpose...

For TS case,
your sound not performing good enough inho is mostly because you are not feeding enough power to your component sets... hence the sound is "unclear"... focals products basically needs a lot of power to be singing at their full potential...

generally speaking...
any DSP would need a good sound tuning to make wonders...
any drivers would need sufficient power to be able to sing properly...

most importantly,
any setup would need a top notch installations...

far too many times I have encounter systems that use high end stuff all around... top to bottom, all branded, proven components... but installations and tuning just kills the whole experience...

cheers.gif
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i would like to comments until i saw this... theres ntg else i can add in... LOL
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post Feb 27 2018, 05:39 AM

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QUOTE(miyazaki @ Oct 9 2017, 10:20 PM)
Tweets: Blam FR80
Mid speakers: Focal Expert PS 165x2
Subs: MB QUART MBPS8152

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Do u just upgraded the speaker without amplifier?

For cheaper option, just install 4ch amp, 2ch for tweeters, 2ch for midbass.. (for midbass ch, set for low frequency only at ur amp, so vocal wont getting out from ur mid)

Done.. Hehe..
For ur subs, just leave him alone, it's ok already..

If u prefer more accurate sound staging and better clarity.. recommended u install DSP, brand is depend on ur liking.. installer and setting more important.. choose correct shop do this, do check out for their EMMA trophies at display area.


Most case I've seen, using high end equipment without proper installation & setup.. they sound worse than ayam brand products...

This post has been edited by TamtamENT: Feb 27 2018, 05:42 AM

 

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