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TSzeroexz
post Apr 15 2007, 11:15 PM, updated 19y ago

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hi

i m new n would wan to try dslr. however due to my health problem(i hv hyperthyroidism), my hand will always be slighty shaking.

so izzit possible for me if i wan to play dslr? i asked this question around in another forum and i was advised not to use slow shutter speed if i m taking pics with hand or just go for camera which hv stabilizer, ie sony a100. however tats out of my budget as i oni hv enough money to get nikon d40(partly bcoz i m a newbie too, dun wan to buy so good camera 1st tongue.gif )

can u guys advise me abit? thkz in advance smile.gif
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post Apr 15 2007, 11:17 PM

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dear noobie...

altho' i'm not a pro (yet). but i advice u to go for either canon 400d or sony a100...
D40 is for created to cheat students money la... alot of limitation..must well. buy a prosumer from fujifilm...
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post Apr 15 2007, 11:22 PM

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TeraPox: wah... careful u might get flamed for what you just said. I for 1 dont think Nikon cheated peoples money. I believe you get what you paid for.
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post Apr 15 2007, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 15 2007, 11:15 PM)
hi

i m new n would wan to try dslr. however due to my health problem(i hv hyperthyroidism), my hand will always be slighty shaking.

so izzit possible for me if i wan to play dslr? i asked this question around in another forum and i was advised not to use slow shutter speed if i m taking pics with hand or just go for camera which hv stabilizer, ie sony a100. however tats out of my budget as i oni hv enough money to get nikon d40(partly bcoz i m a newbie too, dun wan to buy so good camera 1st tongue.gif )

can u guys advise me abit? thkz in advance smile.gif
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hold with 2hands oso shake? then if slow shutter speed use tripod loo....smile.gif
other than tht, VR or IS lens is handy...but pricey....
welcome to then dark side , anytime...smile.gif
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post Apr 15 2007, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(TeraPox @ Apr 15 2007, 11:17 PM)
dear noobie...

altho' i'm not a pro (yet). but i advice u to go for either canon 400d or sony a100...
D40 is for created to cheat students money la... alot of limitation..must well. buy a prosumer from fujifilm...
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oic...
how bout the hand shaking issue, u hv any idea bout it?


QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 15 2007, 11:28 PM)
hold with 2hands oso shake? then if slow shutter speed use tripod loo....smile.gif
other than tht, VR or IS lens is handy...but pricey....
welcome to then dark side , anytime...smile.gif
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yea...both hand shaking
lolx~yea...its really pricey...
how bout wut if i pick a100, does the stabilizer help?but if m not mistaken a100 got more limitation in selecting lenses rite?
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post Apr 15 2007, 11:58 PM

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stabilizer just fine for normal shake while pressing shutter , don't think hand shake can be stabilised. i suggest u go try out the camera urself to find out if it really help...if not...tripod...
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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 15 2007, 11:15 PM)
i m new n would wan to try dslr. however due to my health problem(i hv hyperthyroidism), my hand will always be slighty shaking.

so izzit possible for me if i wan to play dslr? i asked this question around in another forum and i was advised not to use slow shutter speed if i m taking pics with hand or just go for camera which hv stabilizer, ie sony a100. however tats out of my budget as i oni hv enough money to get nikon d40(partly bcoz i m a newbie too, dun wan to buy so good camera 1st tongue.gif )


zeroexz, hand-shake issues happen to all of us.

even with the IS on A100 / K100D - it only helps to a certain extent. using tele lens and having the shutter open too long would still result in blurry images.

that said, don't let your hands limit you. there's always a tripod. if not, just use any stable object to support it.

i don't think you should worry about your hand issue, just fiddle around to find how to set the camera to work for your weakness, find out kind of shots are those settings good for. smile.gif


QUOTE(TeraPox @ Apr 15 2007, 11:17 PM)
D40 is for created to cheat students money la... alot of limitation..must well. buy a prosumer from fujifilm...


i personally think you're talking crap. for an RM 2.1k camera - what else are you expecting? you still can use AF-I / AF-S lens.

it would've been better off to forward the reader to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/363309
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post Apr 16 2007, 12:03 AM

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dear nikon users...

i apologize for i've said.. actually... its a guy from a photo shop told me this... and his pushed me to get a 400D..(and he success)

so i just relay his opinion only bah.. dun flam me arr..
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QUOTE(TeraPox @ Apr 16 2007, 12:03 AM)
dear nikon users...

i apologize for i've said.. actually... its a guy from a photo shop told me this... and his pushed me to get a 400D..(and he success)

so i just relay his opinion only bah.. dun flam me arr..
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Probably Canon offered more incentive.
Btw, don't say something so extreme without trying it out 1st.
The D40 kit comes with a very good kit lens (much better compared to what Canon has to offer). It's light, it's cute, it's user-friendly, it's adequately built.
If you're a new to Nikon without any old screw-driven lenses, it's not a bad choice.
Cos a D40 + 18-200mm VR makes the best travel combo.
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what i liked about the D40 is the size, smaller body compared to D70 / D80. smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2007, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 15 2007, 11:15 PM)
hi

i m new n would wan to try dslr. however due to my health problem(i hv hyperthyroidism), my hand will always be slighty shaking.

so izzit possible for me if i wan to play dslr? i asked this question around in another forum and i was advised not to use slow shutter speed if i m taking pics with hand or just go for camera which hv stabilizer, ie sony a100. however tats out of my budget as i oni hv enough money to get nikon d40(partly bcoz i m a newbie too, dun wan to buy so good camera 1st tongue.gif )

can u guys advise me abit? thkz in advance smile.gif
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this guy John_Reed has the same medical condition as you, see this thread
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=21507038

the OIS in panasonic really makes a difference.
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post Apr 16 2007, 07:31 AM

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i suggest you to go to any camera shop and try out the cameras there. fiddle with, press the shutter, take a few pics, etc.. see if the images turn out alright.

if hand-shake is either, i suggest a tripod with remote setup, reduces handshake alot, but u'll be confined to more stationary shots.

nothing is impossible smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2007, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 15 2007, 11:58 PM)
stabilizer just fine for normal shake while pressing shutter , don't think hand shake can be stabilised. i suggest u go try out the camera urself to find out if it really help...if not...tripod...
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hmm...ic... thkz for ur advice biggrin.gif
i will spend sum time playing around cameras in the shop before end up purchasing

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 15 2007, 11:59 PM)
zeroexz, hand-shake issues happen to all of us.

even with the IS on A100 / K100D - it only helps to a certain extent. using tele lens and having the shutter open too long would still result in blurry images.

that said, don't let your hands limit you. there's always a tripod. if not, just use any stable object to support it.

i don't think you should worry about your hand issue, just fiddle around to find how to set the camera to work for your weakness, find out kind of shots are those settings good for. smile.gif
i personally think you're talking crap. for an RM 2.1k camera - what else are you expecting? you still can use AF-I / AF-S lens.

it would've been better off to forward the reader to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/363309
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ic....i will visits cam shop to have a try 1st n see how it works then
thkz for ur advice which encourage me more to getting dslr smile.gif


QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 16 2007, 12:47 AM)
Probably Canon offered more incentive.
Btw, don't say something so extreme without trying it out 1st.
The D40 kit comes with a very good kit lens (much better compared to what Canon has to offer). It's light, it's cute, it's user-friendly, it's adequately built.
If you're a new to Nikon without any old screw-driven lenses, it's not a bad choice.
Cos a D40 + 18-200mm VR makes the best travel combo.
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i like the D40 combo + 18-200mm VR combo u mentioned, but the VR lense is like 3k rrite...its kinda expensive
but to certain extend, i also like the compact size which d40 would offer


QUOTE(greyPJ @ Apr 16 2007, 07:19 AM)
this guy John_Reed has the same medical condition as you, see this thread
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=21507038

the OIS in panasonic really makes a difference.
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oh...thkz for sharing
i think it really make a difference....

QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Apr 16 2007, 07:31 AM)
@threadstarter

i suggest you to go to any camera shop and try out the cameras there. fiddle with, press the shutter, take a few pics, etc.. see if the images turn out alright.

if hand-shake is either, i suggest a tripod with remote setup, reduces handshake alot, but u'll be confined to more stationary shots.

nothing is impossible smile.gif
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thkz for ur advice....i will make an atempt to try cameras 1st before purchasing.

p/s i like the nothing is impossible motto tongue.gif
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Get the D40, dun worry if u are newbie. The kit lens is very good (sharp and fast AF) and if u are in tight budget, this camera suit u well and probably u can invest on 55-200VR if u can't afford 18-200VR but u lose the conveniency.

And the D40 is designed for consumer from PnS or prosumer. The JPEG processing quality is very good, better than D80, good WB and good ISO performance.

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post Apr 16 2007, 10:36 AM

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If i were u just get a tripod or monopod if ur hand shakes to much
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QUOTE(TeraPox @ Apr 16 2007, 12:03 AM)
dear nikon users...

i apologize for i've said.. actually... its a guy from a photo shop told me this... and his pushed me to get a 400D..(and he success)

so i just relay his opinion only bah.. dun flam me arr..
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if i'm the store owner. i'll sell you whateva make the most profit out of it.

dear TS. get the sony alpha 100. it will help alot
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get a tripod + remote, should solve ur problem
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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 15 2007, 11:46 PM)
oic...
how bout the hand shaking issue, u hv any idea bout it?
yea...both hand shaking
lolx~yea...its really pricey...
how bout wut if i pick a100, does the stabilizer help?but if m not mistaken a100 got more limitation in selecting lenses rite?
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well...i would suggest that u use tripod most of the time
get a good tripod, but it will be pricey

then something like Xtend-a-View
http://photosolve.com/main/index.html
http://www.bermangraphics.com/coolpix/cpsunlight.htm

dont forget to use a remote or the self-timer to trigger the shutter button.
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enjoy photography
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like been said, don't worry..as long you still have hands than you can play DSLR tongue.gif. (joking and no offence to anyone)
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My hand shakes a bit too, so to sort of overcome it I used tripod and timer to take those shots.
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get a D40 + Sb400
case solved
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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Apr 17 2007, 09:49 AM)
get a D40 + Sb400
case solved
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hmmmm ... i don't see why the sb400 will solve the hand shaking ... is it because of the weight ?

or because you'll have a more powerful flash (than the built - in) so that you can use flash every time, thus you can go with faster shutter speed ? (thus eliminates the blurry images cause by hand shakes)

lol ... anyway I'm new to dslr too, so please advise smile.gif
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unless with flash he also shake hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Apr 17 2007, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Gadget_Freak @ Apr 16 2007, 08:40 AM)
Get the D40, dun worry if u are newbie. The kit lens is very good (sharp and fast AF) and if u are in tight budget, this camera suit u well and probably u can invest on 55-200VR if u can't afford 18-200VR but u lose the conveniency.

And the D40 is designed for consumer from PnS or prosumer. The JPEG processing quality is very good, better than D80, good WB and good ISO performance.
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thkz for ur advice smile.gif personally i like d40 body,its cute. but i might save abit more money for a100 due to its in-build sss
18-200 is 3k cry.gif dunno have to save how many years to get 3k

QUOTE(sinister @ Apr 16 2007, 10:36 AM)
If i were u just get a tripod or monopod if ur hand shakes to much
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QUOTE(aba9785 @ Apr 16 2007, 09:10 PM)
well...i would suggest that u use tripod most of the time
get a good tripod, but it will be pricey

then something like Xtend-a-View
http://photosolve.com/main/index.html
http://www.bermangraphics.com/coolpix/cpsunlight.htm

dont forget to use a remote or the self-timer to trigger the shutter button.
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enjoy photography
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QUOTE(macg @ Apr 17 2007, 09:29 AM)
My hand shakes a bit too, so to sort of overcome it I used tripod and timer to take those shots.
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thkz for ur advice smile.gif i ll definately get 1 smile.gif n may b a control tongue.gif

n also thkz for aba for the link, i will bookmark it n read it

QUOTE(scotty @ Apr 16 2007, 12:17 PM)
if i'm the store owner. i'll sell you whateva make the most profit out of it.

dear TS. get the sony alpha 100. it will help alot
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aiming to get 1 a100, but hv to wait the price come down abit 1st, else i might end up d40


QUOTE(g88 @ Apr 16 2007, 11:02 PM)
like been said, don't worry..as long you still have hands than you can play DSLR tongue.gif. (joking and no offence to anyone)
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haha~nice say, nothing is impossible if i still hv my hands lolx~thkz for encouraging me smile.gif


QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Apr 17 2007, 09:49 AM)
get a D40 + Sb400
case solved
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QUOTE(maelzx @ Apr 17 2007, 11:04 AM)
hmmmm ... i don't see why the sb400 will solve the hand shaking ... is it because of the weight ?

or because you'll have a more powerful flash (than the built - in) so that you can use flash every time, thus you can go with faster shutter speed ? (thus eliminates the blurry images cause by hand shakes)

lol ... anyway I'm new to dslr too, so please advise smile.gif
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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Apr 17 2007, 11:11 AM)
unless with flash he also shake hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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i dun understand, can better flash overcome my handshake issue?
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with flash, if you're shooting in P-mode, your shutter speed is set to 1/60 which is sufficient to counter handshake with your kit lens.
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with flash, you don't need to use slow shutter speed. smile.gif so with fast shutter speed, handshake is not likely to affect it because it's so fast it captures before your shake makes an impact.
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flash won't solve everything and it's not easy to shoot with flash as well. if u're shooting landscape, u going to fire flash?
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QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:01 PM)
flash won't solve everything and it's not easy to shoot with flash as well. if u're shooting landscape, u going to fire flash?
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of course not for all shots la. smile.gif some shots you need flash shots lor, landscape then tripod la.
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get the ML-L3 Wireless Remote Control lol
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i think if you like to do photojournalism, just get urself an external flash so u can use higher shutter speed to prevent blurred images...1/60 should be just nice...u can push it up to 1/100 if you would like to be on the safe side...providing that the person/object you're shooting is moving too...but not worries bout handshake...everyone will have it after holding that heavy camera for a couple of hours...
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external flash would be a viable option..................good luck on it
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so u r into Sony A100?
maybe u can get a VCT-1170RM
Tripod with Remote Control (LANC)
but it come with a price...a whopping RM1,688.00
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http://www.sony.com.my/sonystyle/product/p...yid=14&SSub=307
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i don't see whats so good abt tht tripod....

could get a decent manfrotto and remote and even a wireless one tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 15 2007, 11:15 PM)
hi

i m new n would wan to try dslr. however due to my health problem(i hv hyperthyroidism), my hand will always be slighty shaking.

so izzit possible for me if i wan to play dslr? i asked this question around in another forum and i was advised not to use slow shutter speed if i m taking pics with hand or just go for camera which hv stabilizer, ie sony a100. however tats out of my budget as i oni hv enough money to get nikon d40(partly bcoz i m a newbie too, dun wan to buy so good camera 1st tongue.gif )

can u guys advise me abit? thkz in advance smile.gif
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so pity on u..ur hand cant be fix??
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hey buddy, i see u're a monash student.
well i am as well...
4th year engineering monash.

tell u what, i've got a d70s. dslr, nikon (in case u dind't know)

so since u're intersted. i'll let u try out... PM me ur phone number, and then we'll talk about meeting up.

the catch? i need a favour from you as well... dont' worry it wont take 1 minute of ur time for my favour smile.gif
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QUOTE(nairud @ Apr 17 2007, 01:27 PM)
with flash, if you're shooting in P-mode, your shutter speed is set to 1/60 which is sufficient to counter handshake with your kit lens.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 17 2007, 01:28 PM)
with flash, you don't need to use slow shutter speed. smile.gif so with fast shutter speed, handshake is not likely to affect it because it's so fast it captures before your shake makes an impact.
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QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:01 PM)
flash won't solve everything and it's not easy to shoot with flash as well. if u're shooting landscape, u going to fire flash?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 17 2007, 05:03 PM)
of course not for all shots la. smile.gif some shots you need flash shots lor, landscape then tripod la.
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QUOTE(porkchop @ Apr 17 2007, 05:50 PM)
external flash would be a viable option..................good luck on it
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icic...i get ur point, thkz thkz~

QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Apr 17 2007, 05:15 PM)
get the ML-L3 Wireless Remote Control lol
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T.T no much money i have

QUOTE(earthkid @ Apr 17 2007, 05:16 PM)
i think if you like to do photojournalism, just get urself an external flash so u can use higher shutter speed to prevent blurred images...1/60 should be just nice...u can push it up to 1/100 if you would like to be on the safe side...providing that the person/object you're shooting is moving too...but not worries bout handshake...everyone will have it after holding that heavy camera for a couple of hours...
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hehe~just doing for hobby purposes
thkz for ur advice


QUOTE(aba9785 @ Apr 17 2007, 08:17 PM)
so u r into Sony A100?
maybe u can get a VCT-1170RM
Tripod with Remote Control (LANC)
but it come with a price...a whopping RM1,688.00
biggrin.gif

http://www.sony.com.my/sonystyle/product/p...yid=14&SSub=307
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lolx~not sure yet, dun hv much $$$ to spend, may b i ll just keep to d40, hoping its price will drop after the intro. of d40x

QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Apr 17 2007, 09:10 PM)
i don't see whats so good abt tht tripod....

could get a decent manfrotto and remote and even a wireless one tongue.gif
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tongue.gif ...dun hv the buying ability.

QUOTE(MR.Syxo @ Apr 18 2007, 10:28 AM)
so pity on u..ur hand cant be fix??
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yea, it cant be fix...it will shake like ur hands are carrying heavy stuffs around even u actually didn't

QUOTE(miraged @ Apr 18 2007, 11:42 PM)
hey buddy, i see u're a monash student.
well i am as well...
4th year engineering monash.

tell u what, i've got a d70s. dslr, nikon (in case u dind't know)

so since u're intersted. i'll let u try out... PM me ur phone number, and then we'll talk about meeting up.

the catch? i need a favour from you as well... dont' worry it wont take 1 minute of ur time for my favour smile.gif
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oh~icic....we might see each other b4 then, btw i m extended business student. btw, UGPM
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QUOTE(zeroexz @ Apr 19 2007, 12:11 AM)
icic...i get ur point, thkz thkz~
lolx~not sure yet, dun hv much $$$ to spend, may b i ll just keep to d40, hoping its price will drop after the intro. of d40x
tongue.gif ...dun hv the buying ability.
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u can get D40 with kit lense for less than 2k.
scout around, i'm sure u can find a good deal

D40 is killing the prosumer market

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