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post Apr 17 2007, 07:24 PM

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What did u guys use to open the 4 nuts on the GPU Heatsink? I tried using a spanar but failed miserably and i tried to use a 1/4" Socket opener but i dont have the right size of socket to fit the nut. Seems like the nut is a 6.5 mm nut, tried a 6mm nut (too small) then a 7mm (too big).

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post Apr 24 2007, 04:26 PM

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Guys, my operation using both "drilling" and "without-drill" method has been successful. Please add 1 Xbox360 to the list. Fixed by me, Virgil biggrin.gif

Why i said both method, because the GPU i used the drilling method while the without drill i used it on the CPU heatsink. Both method works fine and i prefer the "without drill" method. More clean and hassle-free.

If you guys need any tips on the method or have questions on any of the parts needed, feel free to PM me or if you want me to fix it, i will be glad to help!

Edited: Somebody has asked me about the difficulty of the operation. So i think this would be useful for those who wanna try fixing it own their own.

The whole operation is actually very easy. You have the right tools, then you are ready to go. The most troublesome part would obviously be drilling the heatsinks and the core holding the motherboard. But if you use the non-drill method (from now on i called it Lawdawg's method), then it would be as easy as ABC. I cant really remember which part of the Lawdawg's method is difficult, seriously. Maybe removing the outer case is hard tongue.gif

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post Apr 24 2007, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(mambo @ Apr 24 2007, 04:40 PM)
so now the 3 rod is already solve.. lol.. so once its fix would the problem come again... i know this still new but just a prediction esp from those who actually do the job... since u guys actually do the fix.. do you think this problem will occur again? one more thing if a newly bought xb360, let say the owner decide to do this fix even if they still not encountering the problem, will this save them from 3rod?
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I find it pointless to fix a new 360 which is still under warranty. Wouldnt it be better to send it warranty instead and get a refurbished one? Well this only apply to original consoles...

Maybe just maybe by removing the clamps early, it will prevent from causing stress to both the GPU and CPU chip.. so technically it will prevent 3ROD.. but then.. 3ROD is still Unknown Error and thus other problem may surface from it other than the clamps.
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post Apr 24 2007, 06:35 PM

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As requested here are the pictures of the parts that i gotten in order to do the whole process..

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A smaller machine screw (4.8mm, 4mm) can be used to replace the 5mm Machine Screw if you are using the RBJTech (drilling) method. Lawdawgs method will need you to use 5mm x 10mm diameter screw (precise length and width).
All the above parts can be obtained from your nearest hardware store.
Total Cost: RM5 Maximum.

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I am sure all of you know what this is, thermal compoound remover (comes with 2 bottles) and the Arctic 5 Silver. Get it from your nearest IT store biggrin.gif If you guys have any alcohol, that will just do fine.
Cost: RM25 for Arctic 5 Silver and another RM25 for the thermal remover.

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post Apr 24 2007, 08:10 PM

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If hardware shops dont have the nylon washers then go to Jalan Loke Yew, Asia Bolts & Nuts.
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post Apr 25 2007, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(LeePakHeng @ Apr 25 2007, 12:43 AM)
rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif cool man, you are the best!
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No problem... Its for the Xbox Community afterall, if this can help it grow then i really dont mind helping out.

@mightysmiter - When did you get the white thick lines? Issit when you are playing a game halfway and the lines appear, then once you off-on it, the 1 ROL lights up? I read from the xbox.com forum that one person gotten it and it eventually lead to 3ROL.. Maybe you can try the x-clamp but then i think only use the method as a last resort. If it is still under warranty why dont just exchange it...
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post Apr 25 2007, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(MightySmiter @ Apr 25 2007, 10:16 AM)
lol yealah judge...its actually an atrocity that so many 360s break and its not like we play catch with the damn console...heck, im so kiasu about mine that i never play more than 3 hours at one go(hence ive never got some achievments like dead risings 16 hour real life thingy)

anyways, ive already posted up in the pasar malam..see who wants to buy my broken console for 900 bucks and go fix it themselves...mircrosoft, u lost a customer right here.
why? well, explain to me how isit that my Atari still works fine laugh.gif
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Actually if you dont mind speedy work, i can take a look at your console. So if you can leave your console with me for a week, i will remove the x-clamp and see how it goes.
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post Apr 25 2007, 09:14 PM

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Some info about the x-clamp and how it affects your console into 3ROD biggrin.gif

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The clamps are used to hold on the heatsinks to the mobo and at the same time it is used to keep the outer metal core to the mobo. So the nut is actually 2 way meaning 1 side of the nut will connect the mobo and the heatsink while another side of the nut will be used to connect the metal outer core to the mobo.

And about the connection of x-clamp to 3rod?

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After reading some of the excellent detective work here re the red lights of death and going over the couple of dead consoles here with a microscope, I've come to the conclusion that in most cases the red lights of death is due to a simple design flaw, not to overheating or poor soldering.

We seem to be seeing consoles where the motherboard has flexed and a few of the solder balls or pads have given way at the corner of the CPU or GPU as pointed out by SMTRework and others.

Now why would a motherboard flex?

The answer is the heatsink clamp design.

If you look at the clamp design, *all* of the pressure to hold the heatsink down is in one tiny point. The centre of the X clamp has a plastic 'spacer button' that sits hard against the bottom of the motherboard and that causes all of the stress to push upwards (towards the bottom centre of both the GPU and the CPU.)

What is the reaction to that upward force? the corners of the motherboard flexing in the opposite direction.
Because the motherrboard is not screwed down to the chassis in the areas around the CPU and GPU the natural reaction is for the board to flex downwards slightly because of the pressure in the middle pushing upwards.

When the console gets hot, the solder balls may become slightly softer allowing the board to flex further and the break occurs.

Even if the soldering was perfect the poor design of the heatsink clamps means the corners of the CPU and GPU are going to be under tension.

So perhaps the fix would be to remove the clamps altogether, fit 'screw in' pegs to the chassis and screw down the motherboard and the heatsink so rather than tension being on the board to flex, it is actually encouraged to stay flat. The existing holes in the board where the clamp attached would be ideal.

So extra cooling and other measures may not do squat unless you remove the tension of the giant pimple trying to push up from the bottom.


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Hope this clear all your inquiries on the x-clamp replacement method!
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post Apr 26 2007, 08:10 PM

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Just a small tips for people who are doing the x-clamps on their own,

Please make sure that the heatsink is superbly HOT after you finish the operation. If the heatsink is just warm then you may have put too much of thermal paste resulting in the heat not reaching the heatsinks.


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post Apr 28 2007, 03:08 AM

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I manage to fixed another console, this time there is no error or whatsoever but then there is always this thick white lines that appear when you enter a game and then the console hang. So i remove the clamps and did some cleaning up of the mobo, the fans watever i see dust on.... did the in-game stress test for about 3-4 hours, everything is back to normal.

I also have another console with error E74 which i will start operating it later. Hopefully by removing the x-clamps will solve this error too.



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post Apr 28 2007, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(silencer @ Apr 28 2007, 03:45 AM)
congrat..details pls....needs to update it..so...we can have better database for error symptom or code....
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There is no problem error. Because it actually boots up fine and at the start, as long as you're in the dashboard, its ok. But then once you get into the game, the thick lines appeared and then the console hanged. So... i cant really check for the error code. Just that if any console have frequent occurence of white thick lines, you will have to be prepared for the worst.

@Bro Silencer - Please treat this as a 3rod error 0020. Cause the "cooking" session cause a 3rod with error 0020 to appear. Thanks.

QUOTE(zc_squash @ Apr 28 2007, 08:28 AM)
Bro Virgil rocks and that's my console..huhu..!
Problem details over here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/445019/+0
Thank you Virgil! 1 UP Mushroom for you!
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Hey no problem. I have some tools and parts left so i was just thinking if i can offer help to those who wanna remove their x-clamps, so it is actually just along the road.

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post Apr 28 2007, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 28 2007, 12:52 PM)
virgil, good lar so many is fixed. rclxms.gif
btw, u like bleach so much?
the other day my friend told me ep123 is out. brows.gif
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laugh.gif Finally you found out eh tongue.gif I heard that your console got 3ROD? You want me to fix it for you? I can give you special friend discount biggrin.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

Btw, look who is back in action?

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No better stress test than Dead Rising !! rclxms.gif

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Error E74 solved! Hurray!
Btw, i am risking my scratch-less and super shiny Dead Rising disc on your console, if anything happens.... i am gonna feed you to the zombies brows.gif

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@Bro Silencer - Please add 2 console to the list. All fixed by me nod.gif

1st console - 3ROD Error 0020
2nd console - Error E74 (dont bother to check for error code tongue.gif )

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post Apr 28 2007, 03:01 PM

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Hey guys, if any of you wanna fix your 3rod consoles or watever E74, thick white lines, always hang .. or just wanna be on the safe side and remove your x-clamps.. Please feel free to send me a pm, i can do it for a very small amount of fee.
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post Apr 28 2007, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Apr 28 2007, 04:18 PM)
if you guys who want me to fix the 3 rods.. just bring along your console.. and we shall fix it together lo.. laugh.gif

anybody stay near in cineleisure ? cannot fix at shop~. laugh.gif

me just fix for the community.. like what virgil said.. fix if for the "excitement" of the "4 Greens Lights OF survivor" to pop out... laugh.gif "Satisfying" laugh.gif
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Well its really satisfying to see that something that was deemed dead to be revived again in full 4 Green Lights Glory! You have no idea how glad i was when i saw the turning green light of victory! tongue.gif

Anyone want me to fix? biggrin.gif

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post Apr 28 2007, 08:15 PM

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Yes you guys will be able to get back all your x-clamps. I dont wan those cursed crosses lying in my house. You can have mine too tongue.gif Btw who wanna buy those original heatsink nuts? biggrin.gif thumbup.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 28 2007, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Apr 28 2007, 08:26 PM)
somehow I got so much of them.. I felt like is a ninja weapon ph34r.gif
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ohmy.gif Imagine one day Djinn cosplay Ninja then throw those shuriken erm.. i mean x-clamps tongue.gif :faint: thumbup.gif

Maybe that is part of the featurette of Consoul '07 ?! drool.gif

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post Apr 30 2007, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 30 2007, 05:10 PM)
hallelujah!
hallelujah!
hallelujah!
hallelujah!

finally my 360 is back from the dead! i'm going out now so no time to do the stress test. later tonite will do it.

thanks alot to bro Virgil will all the advise and guidance, otherwise i'm sure lost on how to do it. look for him if you need fix on 3ROD. notworthy.gif

again, YES!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

btw, error code 0102. fixed using without drill method.
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Good job reviving your console! I am glad to be of service nod.gif

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post May 1 2007, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(shumaky @ May 1 2007, 12:19 AM)
damn those batangs man.. issit that hard if i do it myself..?? haiz...
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Its not that hard if you have the right tools...

I notice that most of the people who got thick white lines will get 3rol eventually. I fixed a console which is healthy but occasionally get the thick white lines and the hanged... so i did the x-clamp and then the 3rol appeared showing error 0020 (of coz the error just appeared once and be gone forever yawn.gif ).

For those who have experience this thick white lines, it is better to be mentally prepared for the dreadful 3 ROL (not 3ROD anymore).

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post May 1 2007, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(shumaky @ May 1 2007, 12:51 AM)
ya... so decided to for operation la..
its bound to happen la i guess.. just a matter of time.
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Erm.. actually i will said that it is really a matter of time to get hit by the 3rol because the x-clamps are designed to pull the nuts and push the chips (which is the soldering of the chips).. so as your xbox360 continues to expand the clamps thru heat... one day the soldering of the chips will be push to such a level that the 3rol appears.

It is smart for them to design it that the heatsinks and the chips are closed together through the clamps but then they discounted the possibilities of the chips being pushed too hard upwards...
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post May 2 2007, 07:09 PM

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Does anybody has a T8H torx screwdriver?

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