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> Is Linux Community Really Dead In Malaysia Nowaday, Wow.. can't find a decent one

tboxmy
post Jun 13 2018, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(CryptoNut @ Jun 2 2018, 04:34 AM)
i just abandoned ship (windows OS) and installed linux impulsively. i find the learning curve to be on the steeper side. Challenging, thats why i am keen on learning linux. I am now learning command lines hoping one day i can use the terminal to do explore the OS with minimal mouse contact and damn it is overwhelming! sitting infront of my PC hours for more than 10 hours everyday! im on Ubuntu 18.04 distro by the way!

Any newbie here besides me?
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You can always take the fast or slow path. You will appreciate it at a later stage when more skills and more stuff to learn comes along the way.

Better to look for non-newbies for the journey. Look for usergroups for your specific distro. I use Centos and Mint mostly these days.
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post Jul 27 2018, 12:35 PM

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I have been using Linux machines since 2001, and have been using mostly FreeBSD and TrueOS for a while now (ever since systemd started showing up everywhere)

One of the things that fascinate me is the history of Unix. I've read up a fair bit, and it has cleared up a lot of confusion. I recommend reading about :

1. Unix philosophy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy)
2. History of Unix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix)
3. Linux filesystem heirarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard). This alone clears up a lot of things like "WHY IS THIS FILE IN THIS DIRECTORY UGH"

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post Jul 27 2018, 06:11 PM

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I main Linux lor. Alot also move Linux. Malaysia no money.
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post Aug 7 2018, 06:16 PM

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From my perspective as a student, exposure of students into open source such as linux is too few. many institution don't even bother about linux, same to their IT teachers. (not for my school at least, ur school IT Teachers know linux well and they are happy to exchange information on linux stuffs with me)
Although my school is a excellent cluster school, we students didn't even have a chance to hear the word linux in classes or workshops. Don't ever think about how many student in our school uses linux.
A good example : I represent my school to attend a SPM Science Comp project workshop. To install visual studio code you have to choose distribution, and the vscode website shows three big os buttons , you can see here https://code.visualstudio.com/Download
In the whole workshop class I'm the only one running linux (geez, linux is my daily driver :3) and I was hoping that the speaker who is an IT guy, mention about the linux download (becoz for linux u hv to choose ur distro wat), but he mentioned abt the windows and macos download (he asked who using macbook, and there's a girl using it), and skipped linux. So sad sad.gif
Students should start learn linux... we have to ditch windows 10 someday, that baka who updates whole day and spy user everyday sad.gif

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remeron
post Aug 8 2018, 07:43 PM

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I've been dabbling in linux since 2004 because i wanted to run a file server with linux, i remember it was hard those days, mostly all command line and i broke a few things along the way and made more fresh installs than i change underwear (and I change a lot underwear).
i'm not a programmer or in IT, as a matter of fact, i'm in the health industry. so it's all self learning for me.

fast forward to today, my file, media, comic server now runs opensuse while my main desktop and laptop runs pop_os. Really love how pop_os feels.

I'm getting more comfortable with linux now and i say it's worth it.
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post Aug 9 2018, 07:28 PM

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the linux community in malaysia is very few, this is because most are using windows, mac OS and ubuntu, even windows servers. This has nothing to do with money because they advertise by using them you save on admin. Truthfully a lot of the industry in malaysia is stuck with windows and .NET, if only they dont mind migrating their factory equipment to unix/linux, things will work a lot better.

Between windows vs linux in the industry, question is, do you wanna pay more salary or more on license? I'd go with the salaries because these mega corporations have loads of money already and are quite inefficient.

FreeBSD is unix and not linux. BSD itself is unix based. OSX, BSD, solaris are all unix.
QUOTE(remeron @ Aug 8 2018, 07:43 PM)
I've been dabbling in linux since 2004 because i wanted to run a file server with linux, i remember it was hard those days, mostly all command line and i broke a few things along the way and made more fresh installs than i change underwear (and I change a lot underwear).
i'm not a programmer or in IT, as a matter of fact, i'm in the health industry.  so it's all self learning for me.

fast forward to today, my file, media, comic server now runs opensuse while my main desktop and laptop runs pop_os.  Really love how pop_os feels.

I'm getting more comfortable with linux now and i say it's worth it.
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I use opensuse on most of my servers too. The only ones i dont use opensuse on are embedded like raspberry pi, ubiquiti edgerouters ( i dont use them as a router, i use them as a mini linux server). The ERPRO is capable of 80Mb/s of squid proxying per core.

One of the cool features you can do in linux that you cant in windows is user mode hardware control, where your application has a direct interface to the hardware allowing you to write your own drivers. Now if you want a server to support hundreds of Gb/s you will need to do this. KVM caching for disk is a cool feature, getting ram speeds when you benchmark biggrin.gif Which means you dont need a SSD.
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post Aug 10 2018, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Aug 9 2018, 07:28 PM)
the linux community in malaysia is very few, this is because most are using windows, mac OS and ubuntu, even windows servers. This has nothing to do with money because they advertise by using them you save on admin. Truthfully a lot of the industry in malaysia is stuck with windows and .NET, if only they dont mind migrating their factory equipment to unix/linux, things will work a lot better.
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in malaysia, do u think it's worth to spend money on linux certification (education wise)? do u think company bosses bother if u know linux?
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post Aug 11 2018, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 10 2018, 02:22 PM)
in malaysia, do u think it's worth to spend money on linux certification (education wise)? do u think company bosses bother if u know linux?
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the main problem is that the major techies and developers who design and do the actual work do not get based in malaysia, combined with a lack of effort towards linux in malaysia makes companies not offer such jobs here. Even if a local company needed the skill they will outsource it.

As i said it all goes down to where you wanna pay, salaries or licenses, and with malaysians easily believing things, they end up believing that a microsoft based platform is cheaper, which actually isnt (again proven by peeps in other countries who get loads more salaries). Microsoft's ad has been saying you save money by going with them, eliminating the need for tech teams, its not really true though and a linux admin has other skills too that is invaluable in a tech team. Gives me an idea that if malaysians believe anything in ads, that might make things very easy for me.

Many university lecturers here arent the quality ones either. Universities are down trending from an institution of learning and finding new things to giving the industry what it wants rather than what it needs.

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post Aug 13 2018, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(irumbumoideen @ Jul 27 2018, 12:35 PM)
I have been using Linux machines since 2001, and have been using mostly FreeBSD and TrueOS for a while now (ever since systemd started showing up everywhere)

One of the things that fascinate me is the history of Unix. I've read up a fair bit, and it has cleared up a lot of confusion. I recommend reading about :

1. Unix philosophy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy)
2. History of Unix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix)
3. Linux filesystem heirarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard). This alone clears up a lot of things like "WHY IS THIS FILE IN THIS DIRECTORY UGH"
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Been trying Linux since 1998... first bought my Redhat Linux 5.x cd at Pasar Malam and wrecked my partition.... been part of mailing list - user groups, as well as some started some meetups. I probably am not the defacto authority on it but I can tell you some background stories. I think some of the guys no longer as active on lowyat as they used to... some working, married and hence why its quieter as its a whole new generation already.

Someone here did mention about things moving into other aspects already so yes, there are more meetups now then before - although they are not strictly Linux user groups per se for all of them.
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hi alll,
im joining linux team now
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QUOTE(peac3 @ Aug 14 2018, 12:29 AM)
Someone here did mention about things moving into other aspects already so yes, there are more meetups now then before - although they are not strictly Linux user groups per se for all of them.

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I would still checkout a FOSS user group that consciously tries to influence government policy making, getting them to move on from the insidious corporate clutches and more community maintained software. I would still checkout and participate in something that'd help schools transition to FOSS solutions. The thing is, user groups/lists in KL doesn't seem to do anything more than that - I haven't seen any such group that focus on the philosophical aspects of it. If some such group shows up, I can help. I am not a Malaysian citizen, so I can't organize these things as something that would engage with the government. I can of course organize a simple meetup somewhere in KL where we can talk about Linux, BSD, FOSS and other such related things.
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post Today, 03:54 PM

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actually, there are more and more open source & Linux stuff "in the mainstream" compared to before.
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P/s: some of the original FOSS ppl (MYOSS) of the past actually are the ppl running these other meetup groups in Malaysia these days. PM or lets meetup and I can share with you guys some of these stories for the past 20 yrs about open source in Malaysia.
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As for pure FOSS, I believe its a tough sell in Malaysia due to the philosophy of open source being abit "socialist" in nature and ideology. My personal opinion is something more generic OSS is in a certain sense more practical due to our culture, language and education (not forgetting practicality). Business ppl would use Linux & Open source but may not necessarily be willing to put in the time and effort to understand it.

After all, as many would say "why struggle so hard, when you have something ready made"?
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Actually, more and more companies are beginning to be more open about using Linux than before (past 10-15 yrs) based on my working experience. Those that keep up to date is aware of LInux now, although many business owners still struggle to understand about Linux.
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post Today, 03:55 PM

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MYOSS and Mampu OSCC does that. They are still doing such works although MYOSS is no longer active and MAMPU OSCC is not open to the public (I think)

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