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TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 3 2018, 10:42 AM

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With the current price hike still so bad ?
Maybe they should implement minimum fare of rm5 to get rid of those 1-2 km rides. These are the ones that make a driver's life miserable.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 3 2018, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ron2828 @ Jan 3 2018, 10:44 AM)
What they should do is implement ACE incentive.Then these 1-2km rides will suddenly become most desirable trips
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But then Uber will lose money big time, taking money out of their own pockets to give drivers.
They are a corporation, not some charity organization.
Losing money over a period of time and they will quit for sure.


QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 3 2018, 10:51 AM)
the real killer is the upfront fare, i first took Uber in year 2016 and it is still running on meter basis.

The breakdown of KM and mins is clearly stated there, with this upfront fare it is just not so transparent anymore, back then the issue is driver driving using longer route to cheat on the KM and mins, other than that it was fine.

Uber should raise its base fare to match with Grab, their short trip is crazily cheap compare to Grab. Hence u all as drivers can see a lot 5 stars rider popping out and some behaving like shit (pin wrong location and ask u to wait).
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Try driving in PJ during after-work hours, and you will see the true effect of "upfront fare".


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 6 2018, 01:04 PM

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30% max top-up is the catch.

Assuming per trip average is abt rm5 (all short trips), you won't get much from top-up. In fact, after top-up is only about rm6-7 per trip.

Uber is smart, they don't want you to choose all short trips only. And if you accept every trip regardless of distance, it's not easy to maintain 30 trips per day everyday.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 6 2018, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Versy_CK @ Jan 6 2018, 07:48 PM)
Aku. Got it 2/3 days ago.
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Aku tak de langsung cry.gif
But nvm lar, not that I can do more than 50 trips a week hahaha...



TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 11 2018, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 11 2018, 02:32 AM)
Some riders really idiot. Expect us to wait at entrance of shopping malls? Cannot la. The guard will halau. After halau they expect us to make a big round?

Today kena again. Luckily it was Uber. I already reached there like 2 or 3 minutes, then she call me and ask me to wait 5 minutes. Hahahahahaha....  laugh.gif

Then I get another ping from that same entrance. I ask rider to walk to me because I park a short distance from the entrance. Haha. So far DR belum jatuh. Wait tomorrow and see.

Basically the 1st rider punya cancellation fee paid for my traveling distance to pick up the 2nd rider.  laugh.gif
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Wait my ass ar ? Shopping mall cannot stop and wait more than 1-2 mins.
Juz take the rm5 cancellation charge.
Rider can't rate when there is no trip at all.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 17 2018, 10:40 AM

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You are driving at night, of course less ping when compared to day time. Unless it's a Friday or Saturday night.

Setia Alam / Klang Sentral is one of the few places with good pings in Klang. Quite a number of long trips from that area. And the short trips there aren't very short due to it being a big housing area.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 18 2018, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(ys2233 @ Jan 17 2018, 07:41 PM)
Hope this post will be useful for those new to UG.

having completed >10k UberX trips, 0.2mil km and having kept data since day 1, the daily goal is to achieve rm1(nett of commission) for every km driven. Reset your trip meter every time you start your day so that this can be tracked throughout the day. Will call it a day should this target drift near 0.50/km.

This 1/km is impossible to achieve without the incentives which is
1. Boost (1.1-2.1x)
2. Quest/flash quest (1.30-9.70/trip) btw FQ is extinct now
3. Ace (useless if you make use of 1&2)

1 &2 is announced every Thursday/Sunday evening, so that's the time to work out your schedule for the next few days.

Average speed 21kph. Goes up if more airport trips.

Average cost: fuel 0.16 +50% scheduled maintenance (engine/gear box oil & tyres are the top 2) +25% accelerated depreciation & accident risks. Total 0.28/km

Average dead miles:35% of daily km driven

Barest minimum cost should be 0.50/km and consistent nett earning 10-35/hr..

That's the reason why I go offline when earning drift towards 0.50/km and also when I achieve the daily quest quota.

Btw driver destination which was useful in getting long trips with high boost/surge is useless since the start of the new year.

Would definitely like to hear from those who can consistently achieve >1/km.
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Very nice calculation, quite accurate IMO. I don't recall seeing anyone posting these calculations in the forum.
This will show all the newbie drivers that "the more you drive, the more you earn" is total bullshit by Uber.
The more you drive, the more Uber makes from commission - this should be the truth.
Sadly, many drivers are still driving blindly without calculating.


QUOTE(ck_boon @ Jan 17 2018, 01:16 PM)
any other nice short trip place rekemend?
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Klang Town, Bukit Tinggi Klang.
UiTM, Seksyen 7 Shah Alam.
Sunway area, SS15 Subang.
UM area.

These are the areas that I will usually avoid, unless I almost reach the trip target.



This post has been edited by Utopia Angel: Jan 18 2018, 05:42 PM
TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 19 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(ck_boon @ Jan 19 2018, 12:16 AM)
avoid>? apa these few place u dun wan to go? no short trip?
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At least 90% short trips, I hate it.
It's a waste of time, total charity work.
You can drive non-stop for hours doing these short trips and make only rm50.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 19 2018, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(madman20 @ Jan 19 2018, 10:09 AM)
Kena 2 months back..going around Putra Heights for almost 4 hours and got clean of RM50..thank fully hit the RM70 quest so covered abit

And this weekend.. 15 trips for RM20..haven't driven the past 3 weekends =/
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I also kena before, 4 hours driving non-stop around Sunway - gross ~rm40.
And I haven't calc my fuel some more.
Terus offline, and went to play Dota 2 at SS15 laugh.gif

rm20... @@
Get 1 mid distance trip is already more than that amount.
Really pathetic quest.



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post Jan 20 2018, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(ys2233 @ Jan 19 2018, 04:59 PM)
I totally disagree (see my earlier post on how you can earn or lose money).

Since the incentives are based on number of trips (regardless of distance), the shorter the trip, the lower your costs so effectively you earn more.

What's the point of doing an airport trip that earns you additional rm3 incentive when you can earn the same by doing a short 0.5km trip?

Many drivers are making the mistake of equating total fares with higher earnings when they don't take into account their costs. In reality the more you drive without incentives, even if your total fares are sky high, you may end up doing charity work

Long trips are only worth doing when the boost/surge is very high else you can never get anything close to rm1/km. Unlike before, without the SD feature, getting a long trip with surge/boost above 2x is like striking 4d
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I don't agree with you either.
There was a time when there is no PHG and no quest bonus.
Even now with the quest bonus, it's super low if you are driving actively every week.

Airport trip is not worth it because you will be returning home empty.
And FYI, different cars have different fuel consumption.
For my car, the longer the distance the more efficient.
Short distance trips might consume up to 2x more petrol per km.

And what do you do when you have already reached your Uber quest target ?
Turn on Grab and continue driving ?


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post Jan 20 2018, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 19 2018, 09:38 PM)
haha well said

I always hantam short trip on super peak period and ignore long trip

really feels great clocking 20 short trips per day than 10 long trips per day laugh.gif  rclxms.gif

highest ignored ever is RM60 - RM120 range laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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Ya rite Super Peak - but this is not Grab we are talking about.
20x rm3-4 trips.
Or 2x rm30 trips.

I'd choose the latter.
Definitely faster to complete and lesser pickup distance (dead weight).
And also lesser ppl stepping into my car.


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post Jan 20 2018, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(ck_boon @ Jan 20 2018, 06:45 AM)
hmm,. what u say is correct too
incentive too low lar. 39trip for 70 only , what the hell

any long trip high surge place rekomended ?
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39 trips for rm70 is not really low, I've seen worst many times.
Weekday quests are better, because they know there will be lesser drivers on the road.

any long trip high surge place rekomended ? ---> mana ada long trip + high surge together LOL
Get 1 a day also considered lucky already hahaha...
You can try camping at frequent high surge places, and pray that you get a long trip.
I juz know where to avoid short trip, but still not 100% accurate due to hidden destination.
If an area has 50% short and 50% mid/long trips, I'd consider it a good area already lor.


QUOTE(bcombat @ Jan 20 2018, 07:21 AM)
ace incentive max top up 30%.

do check out you earning per hours after expenses such as petrol if you think it is worthwhile to get all the short trips.
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His calculation is based on earning/km, which is not wrong also.
But we are mostly calculating on earning/hour, as time is limited and not everyone can drive 16 hours everyday.
I can sum up that he meant - drive only when the surge is high enough (maybe 1.5) and within the quest limit.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 21 2018, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 21 2018, 04:42 AM)
Want to get RM30 after deduct commission with Uber... Without Surge or Boost... You need to drive 40km like that.

Assuming you take highway and can complete the trip in 40 minutes...

40km*0.7 = RM28
40 minutes*0.3 = RM12

RM12+RM28+RM0.95 = RM40.95

Minus 25% = RM30.71

Per km you only get 77 sen.
The only way to reduce costs and increase earnings per km, is to filter pings until you get pick up distances that are very close to you. Like less than 2km.

And pray you don't get long distance trips without Surge or Boost.

I fucking hate it when I get a 30km trip that will take like 38 minutes to complete. Because of that, I don't get any "40 minutes plus" warning.
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rm0.77/km or whatever.

Have you tried calculating short trips ?
Parameter : 2 km pickup, 4 km distance, total time 15 mins.

I don't think rm1/km is possible with Uber nowadays.
I am bloody sure it's going to be way lower LOL...


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 21 2018, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ys2233 @ Jan 21 2018, 08:59 AM)
Uber's business is all about balancing the demand and supply through their big data analytics.. their only target is number of trips. Balancing of rider's is done through selective promo codes. Drivers are distributed via boost incentives.

As long as income from non-incentive drivers are not less then payouts to incentive drivers, they can do business at no costs.

Why are we discussing strategies in public? Hopefully, if we are united, we may be able to have an edge over big data. In short, a very simple strategy

No boost, no surge, no drive

It's either the company or the rider has to pay for your hard work.

Another scenario is that they will bring back more and/or higher boosts areas. Have you notice that boost does not exist on Fridays which is usually very busy? So they can now sapu all your earnings.

If enough drivers have the courage to go offline, they may even bring back flash quest (which used to be about 5/trip) which is available at very short notice and limited to peak hours.

Happy strategizing!!
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This statement, the whole of it - totally agree 100%.

Short trip is detrimental, it's either to Uber or to drivers.
Someone is definitely going to top-up, or else no driver will pickup.
Currently is top-up by Uber and drivers, riders win all the way.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 21 2018, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 21 2018, 12:08 PM)
About RM6 net. So ngam ngam hou RM1/km.
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Wah, 4 km trip is rm6-7 nowadays ?
What did I miss... ?

Eh, the time is total time spent is including pickup and waiting 2-3 mins lar.
Somemore pray that the upfront fare doesn't fcuk up.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 21 2018, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 21 2018, 12:18 PM)
Ceh.. Why didn't say 15 minutes is total time to pick up and drop-off?

Then you tell la how long to pick up, how long to drop off?
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5 mins total pickup + waiting.
10 mins from pickup to drop-off.

Average numbers lar...
Like dis can ar ?


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 21 2018, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 21 2018, 12:28 PM)
You have a very good point about the upfront fare not fucking up.

But sometimes it works to our advantage when Waze recommends a shorter and faster route than the one calculated by Uber.

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Cos I kena many times in PJ during peak hours.
Time calculation is totally off, 30 mins trip due to jam calc as 10-15 mins only.
Sent in report to CS to dispute also no use nowadays.


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post Jan 22 2018, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(madman20 @ Jan 22 2018, 02:50 PM)
WTF..yea man..request for re-adjustment..was it super heavy traffic?
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If I am not mistaken, it is caused by the private school there.
During weekdays, have to be careful - remember this time.

CS will not entertain fare re-adjustment nowadays.
They will only give you a scripted reply.



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post Jan 23 2018, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(wa1k3r @ Jan 23 2018, 03:51 PM)
No need report, i can already tell u what they gonna say. This is upfront pricing, we have to honor it, rider love upfront pricing with no suprise and bcos of that increase in demand bla bla bla..basically tell u fuck off, u collect & earn whatever the fuck we give u
It was super jam. Suppose take only <4mins..
Ya, the private school go off at 3pm i think..like i said, just avoid and dont be tempted to drive in that area during that hour.

This upfront pricing thingy is really the dumbest policy on earth. Traffic jam can occur anytime of the day due to the smallest issue like accident etc..uber's map service does not monitor real time traffic..
But anyways la..take this as lesson learnt the hard way..
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Upfront fare is actually the brightest idea by their execs.
This way, fare remains low and riders are happy to continue using Uber - and the loss is transferred to the drivers.
And Uber keeps leeching on the commission, 2x win situation for them.


QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 23 2018, 04:12 PM)
Just try and report. If they give standard reply, post it to their Facebook or something. Buat kecoh or something.

Upfront pricing is the dumbest?

Grab's fixed price is dumber.

That day got one passenger tell me to take the wrong way then it was a huge round to get back to his destination. Total distance become double.

Luckily it was Uber, not Grab. Then he report me for Navigation. Wadefak? I change his rating to 2 stars.
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Well, Grab has it's weaknesses as well.
But then, you can see the fare before accepting a trip - so you can blame no one if it sux.
And also if you're trapped in an unexpected traffic, you have HG to fall back to.

Income-wise, Grab beats Uber by a mile.
Drive for fun, maybe Uber.


TSUtopia Angel
post Jan 25 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 25 2018, 02:07 AM)
If rider suggest stupid route, of course rider's fault.

But fixed fare.

So go beat up rider to lepas geram.
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Beat up then masuk berita LOL...
Juz don't care lar, upfront fare use driver's route - toll already inclusive.



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