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 The SSD Thread V6, Solid State Drive, Continued.

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post Dec 18 2017, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 18 2017, 07:38 PM)
Just bought the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB

Bought from here: https://www.lelong.com.my/ekwb-ek-m-2-nvme-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Temperature before installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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Temperature after installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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nice temps

before this have you been using any cooling for the nvme? or was it all bare naked?
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post Dec 18 2017, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 15 2017, 01:08 PM)
in terms of reliability and performance, i think i will pick micron. i never used this model before. however i think micron/crucial is ok (still running on their old 2x m500 960gb in one of my machines; never had issues)

however if you looked for retail warranty support, corsair force ls. (not related to reliability or performance, just fyi)
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thanks for the input bro

after much consideration i think i'll go ahead and go with a retail SSD mainly for the warranty. but now im in such a dilemma cause i kinda want the 500gb 960 evo but the price is quite high, not to mention im already using a 250gb 960 evo as my boot drive and im not sure if I'd be willing to sacrifice 3 sata ports for 2 nvme SSDs which could get bottlenecked when running simultaneously (though unlikely to run together)

for gaming storage, is an NVMe too overkill at the moment?
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post Dec 19 2017, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 18 2017, 10:15 PM)
nice temps

before this have you been using any cooling for the nvme? or was it all bare naked?
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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post Dec 19 2017, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 12:24 AM)
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders. Been thinking lately of getting a 2nd NVMe for my gaming rig but the 2nd slot doesnt have any cooling option atm as I'd have to fabricate a holder for a 40mm fan.

Surprisingly Asus's ROG heatsink managed to cool down my 960 evo nvme to around 52c during 32gb benchmark via crystaldiskmark
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post Dec 19 2017, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 18 2017, 07:38 PM)
Just bought the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB

Bought from here: https://www.lelong.com.my/ekwb-ek-m-2-nvme-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Temperature before installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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Temperature after installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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that's a decent max temp for small form factor passive heat sinks like this one.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 18 2017, 10:19 PM)
thanks for the input bro

after much consideration i think i'll go ahead and go with a retail SSD mainly for the warranty. but now im in such a dilemma cause i kinda want the 500gb 960 evo but the price is quite high, not to mention im already using a 250gb 960 evo as my boot drive and im not sure if I'd be willing to sacrifice 3 sata ports for 2 nvme SSDs which could get bottlenecked when running simultaneously (though unlikely to run together)

for gaming storage, is an NVMe too overkill at the moment?
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you should just get 960 evo 500gb (or even 1tb) at least in the first place.

for game storage, decent high capacity sata ssds are good enough imo. (1tb or more preferably) using nvme ssd for the same purpose is really an overkill.

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 12:24 AM)
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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right active cooling is even better smile.gif

for nvme ssds, i still stick to pcie adapters with heat sink. i might get that adapter of yours as backup, just in case.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 12:33 AM)
Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders. Been thinking lately of getting a 2nd NVMe for my gaming rig but the 2nd slot doesnt have any cooling option atm as I'd have to fabricate a holder for a 40mm fan.

Surprisingly Asus's ROG heatsink managed to cool down my 960 evo nvme to around 52c during 32gb benchmark via crystaldiskmark
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as long as the max temperature is at least 10c lower than advertised max temp of nvme ssds, it should be good enough. (of course, the lower the better)

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post Dec 19 2017, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 12:33 AM)
Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders
Actually, the fan on the add-on card I mentioned earlier is 50MM in size, not 40MM
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 19 2017, 02:13 AM)
you should just get 960 evo 500gb (or even 1tb) at least in the first place.

for game storage, decent high capacity sata ssds are good enough imo. (1tb or more preferably) using nvme ssd for the same purpose is really an overkill.
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I kinda want my OS to have its own drive and not sharing with many games, besides 1 or 2 main online games. Not to mention I was budget strapped as well when upgrading almost all of my PC components so I couldn't pick the 500GB version (the main reason of all biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 05:40 PM)
Actually, the fan on the add-on card I mentioned earlier is 50MM in size, not 40MM
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Ahh I see, though I doubt that'll make a huge difference like active fan vs passive heatsink comparison you showed earlier biggrin.gif

I've decided to go for the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for my games since it comes with a 5 year warranty which is great peace of mind in my case.

Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
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post Dec 19 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 06:32 PM)
I kinda want my OS to have its own drive and not sharing with many games, besides 1 or 2 main online games. Not to mention I was budget strapped as well when upgrading almost all of my PC components so I couldn't pick the 500GB version (the main reason of all biggrin.gif)

Ahh I see, though I doubt that'll make a huge difference like active fan vs passive heatsink comparison you showed earlier biggrin.gif

I've decided to go for the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for my games since it comes with a 5 year warranty which is great peace of mind in my case.

Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
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yeah it's better to have a dedicated os drive + data drives, separating data from system. it's always easier to manage a system this way.

well, budget constraint is a good thing you know smile.gif even if i always have extras to get things that i want in one-go, i try stick to my budget and plan to control my spending as much as i can. (i'm eyeing that intel optane 900p 480gb for quite some time now lol)

for game storage, i really suggest you go for larger capacity drives than 500gb. (games these days are huge. about budget constraint, just save more hehe because when the capacity doubles, the price is usually relatively cheaper) all these years i have bought quite a number of different drives for tests and work. they are really long lasting, as long as you optimize, use and maintain them properly.

i have a number of full-ssd setups. i don't use them for downloads (already have dedicated machines for downloads only). unless i have a gigabit internet, for now hdd is good enough for download purposes.
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 06:32 PM)
Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
Nope. SSD is only for installing & running Windows, software & games
Videos, musics, photos, software installer & games installer is still inside my 28TB NAS which uses 8x4TB conventional HDDs running RAID 5
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 19 2017, 07:24 PM)
yeah it's better to have a dedicated os drive + data drives, separating data from system. it's always easier to manage a system this way.

well, budget constraint is a good thing you know smile.gif even if i always have extras to get things that i want in one-go, i try stick to my budget and plan to control my spending as much as i can. (i'm eyeing that intel optane 900p 480gb for quite some time now lol)

for game storage, i really suggest you go for larger capacity drives than 500gb. (games these days are huge. about budget constraint, just save more hehe because when the capacity doubles, the price is usually relatively cheaper) all these years i have bought quite a number of different drives for tests and work. they are really long lasting, as long as you optimize, use and maintain them properly.

i have a number of full-ssd setups. i don't use them for downloads (already have dedicated machines for downloads only). unless i have a gigabit internet, for now hdd is good enough for download purposes.
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I was thinking of a 1TB as well but the retail prices on them are kinda high (like double of 500GB so no discounts there), so for the time being I'll equip myself with a 500GB game storage (already have 240GB and I'm feeling the storage constrains a little). I know OEM SSDs are kinda cheap and for what I'm paying on retail I could get an OEM one for cheaper or even double the capacity, but for the time being I'll stick to retail warranty options.

I might get those OEM SSDs though once I roll out my "No HDD in rig" plan biggrin.gif
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post Dec 19 2017, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 09:13 PM)
I was thinking of a 1TB as well but the retail prices on them are kinda high (like double of 500GB so no discounts there), so for the time being I'll equip myself with a 500GB game storage (already have 240GB and I'm feeling the storage constrains a little). I know OEM SSDs are kinda cheap and for what I'm paying on retail I could get an OEM one for cheaper or even double the capacity, but for the time being I'll stick to retail warranty options.

I might get those OEM SSDs though once I roll out my "No HDD in rig" plan biggrin.gif
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just go with your budget. it's just my suggestions smile.gif

some oem drives are actually very good stuff. it's just that not many are looking closely to find out hehe (yes, some others are just so-so)
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post Dec 21 2017, 10:32 AM

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Crucial MX500 was released, and it has been received with recommendations from some well-known review sites for its value-for-money offer.

.. and they don't use a marvell controller in mx series. (past mx series usually use marvell controllers) this time, a silicon motion controller is used, which was usually found in bx series for value/budget ssd market segment. i used to skip drives with silicon motion controllers because their performance ratings were usually relatively poor.

the warranty period is now 5 years; and its endurance ratings is 360tbw

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12165/the-cr...-1tb-ssd-review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucia...-nand,5390.html
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/storage/1133...cial-mx500-1tb/
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/MX500_1_TB/
http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/cruci...-value-in-sata/

i think this is good for game drives lol

edit: forgot to mention, it uses tlc 3d-nand, and the price is one of the more affordable one among mainstream sata ssds.

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post Jan 4 2018, 11:03 AM

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Hello SSD experts,

Between Samsung, Kingston, Trancend, Sandisk, which is a better SSD brand?

Target is 120GB. Not heavy user, not for gaming but for work, for laptop that runs on Celeron processor. I have 8gb RAM.
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post Jan 5 2018, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ Jan 4 2018, 11:03 AM)
Hello SSD experts,

Between Samsung, Kingston, Trancend, Sandisk, which is a better SSD brand?

Target is 120GB. Not heavy user, not for gaming but for work, for laptop that runs on Celeron processor. I have 8gb RAM.
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Samsung, intel, crucial, kingston and sandisk are brands with better qc and lower return rates. Between them, samsung and intel are relatively better.
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Great test to see the impact of the intel vulnerability patch
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/windo...chmarked,1.html
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post Jan 6 2018, 12:12 AM

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When OEM is life.
After many many years of using 128GB, finally decided to make a leap to a bigger capacity.

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post Jan 6 2018, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 5 2018, 07:05 PM)
Great test to see the impact of the intel vulnerability patch
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/windo...chmarked,1.html
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luckily slight drops only, so it's still ok for most of us. really hope that more manufacturers can release good fix for this in a more timely manner.


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post Jan 6 2018, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 6 2018, 12:12 AM)
When OEM is life.
After many many years of using 128GB, finally decided to make a leap to a bigger capacity.

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nice smile.gif this one will last for another many many years lol
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Plan to get one SSD just for OS drive. Having Samsung Evo 850 250GB and SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB in mind, but price diff is quite a lot (about RM150), any comment on that two in terms of price/value?
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QUOTE(RickRick88 @ Jan 9 2018, 09:50 AM)
Plan to get one SSD just for OS drive. Having Samsung Evo 850 250GB and SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB in mind, but price diff is quite a lot (about RM150), any comment on that two in terms of price/value?
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myr 150 is a relatively small price for more consistent read/write speeds, and a longer warranty period. internally samsung 850 evo has dram as cache, while sandisk ssd plus has none. (dram helps in ssd operations by a lot) also it's a comparison for a mainstream ssd vs value/entry-level ssd, so there will be a good gap between the two.

as always, please don't take my words for this. these two drives have been around for sometimes, so you should be able to pull out reviews and user comments pretty quickly with search engines. try compare them and see how it goes.

edit: in short to put in your perspective of price/value, imo samsung 850 evo is relatively better. other options might be sandisk ultra 3d and wd blue 3rd (these two are twins)

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