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Expander to beat BRV?
 
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post Aug 21 2017, 11:00 PM, updated 2 months ago

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https://www.oto.com/berita-mobil/mitsubishi...a-br-v-21166641


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https://www.kompas.tv/content/article/11366...enjualan-avanza

http://www.en.netralnews.com/news/business...s.at.2017.giias

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post Aug 22 2017, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 21 2017, 11:06 PM)
Well at least it looks better then the BRV.
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post Aug 22 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Andrew_1980 @ Aug 22 2017, 11:30 AM)
The new Pajero sport still not here yet, will this all new model enter malaysia? hmm.gif
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https://m.carlist.my/news/jakarta-2017-mits...n-nissan/46781/

Mitsubishi said yes according to Reuters report
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HANS  |  AUGUST 14, 2017 11:46 AM

Jakarta 2017: Mitsubishi To Export Xpander MPV To Malaysia In 2018, Confirmed As Next Generation Nissan MPV

Mitsubishi Motors have confirmed that the all-new seven-seater Xpander that has just made its global debut at the Gaikindo Indonesia International Auto Show (GIIAS) last week will be exported to neighbouring countries in the ASEAN region starting February 2018, reports Reuters.

The report by the London-based news agency quoted Mitsubishi Motors CEO Osamu Masuko as saying, "We will export this car across ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries starting next February.”

It also added that exports will begin first for Philippines, followed by Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam......

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post Aug 23 2017, 06:11 PM

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http://www.philstar.com/motoring/2017/08/2...arta?nomobile=1

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That good?

Hmmmm...........


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post Aug 23 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Killmeplsok @ Aug 22 2017, 09:34 AM)
The brand power though, it's just not there.
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But the service is M>H by wide margin

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-p...index-csi-study
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post Aug 24 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 23 2017, 10:44 PM)
More like due to the SC being empty. ASX became non-relevant, and Attrage was even lesser found than Suzuki Alto. I've seen more Outlander than Attrage.

In the end still depends on price & equipment list.
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The service level has no direct correlation with number of car sold

Take June 2017 YTD sales for example

Mitsubishi 3658
Volkswagen 2717
Ford 3089

If we choose to take the logic of more car sold than the service is weaker . In terms of service survey result , the brand ranking should have been:

Volkswagen should be on the top follow by Ford and thereafter Mitsubishi. V>F>M

But the survey showed service ranking is M >V>F

If we refer further to other brand say Toyota which sold more car than than Nissan and Mazda by wide margin yet Toyota service is ranked #1
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post Aug 24 2017, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 24 2017, 09:50 AM)
This data may be 10 years old and I'm a bit lazy to try to look up on the sales data -

In 2006, the Civic 8 was released. But in 2007 - Mitsubishi tried to one up Honda with their Lancer X.
They did succeed for awhile - really good price and specs too. But eventually supply couldn't keep up with Demand and over that period of time, the Civic still came out the eventual winner.

So if history is any indication of how things will be, then the BRV is probably in a better position to fend off Mitsubishi
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That was when Mitsubishi was on their own. Everything was built by them and them alone?

This Xpander is going to be a shared cost model with Nissan for new grand Livina under the new Renault Nissan alliance.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesi...s-idUSKBN1AQ1EE

if they can bring the cost down since the scale is up, which they should since now they could, then they have a better fighting chance if they translate that into a better equipped car with lower pricing


See the excitement as far as India below, already rendering is being drawn...LOL

http://indianautosblog.com/2017/08/2018-ni...endering-276407



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post Aug 24 2017, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(aquilaTE @ Aug 24 2017, 10:51 AM)
Do have to admit it's quite a nice looking car as compared to BR-V. I do wish they have given a bit more techs and darker interior.

But then again, this is aimed to poke at the likes of mobilio, avanza...
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http://indianautosblog.com/2017/08/mitsubi...s-leaked-277313

ada. sport variant.

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post Aug 24 2017, 01:01 PM

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@zweimmk

in Malaysia, Nissan has always been a weaker brand all along compare to Honda, so was Mitsubishi. No contest.

Nissan's design has always been dated due to TCM always slow slow bring in new models and by the time they do, they are dated on the date they are launched Unlike Honda always timely with their products refresh every few years.

But Mitsubishi is not under TCM....and guess what? In the context of South East Asia Mitsubishi is regarded higher than Nissan

https://asia.nikkei.com/Features/Multinatio...ast-Asia?page=2

Take a look at the market share of Mitsubishi vs Nissan in Thailand & Indonesia below

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Despite having smaller product line up, M>N in these countries in terms of market share. But more importantly if you add the market shares of both brands, it becomes over or near Honda's

That is the power of the Alliance. If Mitsubishi as a stronger brand compares to Nissan now has access to the Alliance platform is able to expand their products offering (they need not start from ground up now) , just imagine the potential.


Last but not least guess who is #2 behind toyota in Philippine?
https://www.carmudi.com.ph/journal/local-au...-january-sales/
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Xpander i reckon is just the start of exciting time ahead for Mitsubishi

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post Aug 24 2017, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 24 2017, 01:53 PM)
VW & Ford already known shitty SC regardless of quantity.

Toyota SC capacity is over the top, their SC capacity topped during their golden times. Now sales half of Honda, sure good. Anyone can walk in without booking. Try Honda, you need to pre-book months ahead.

Yes, it has correlation. But not for famous lousy SC brands like VW or Peugeot.

Let's see how Mitsubishi play this.
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Am not too sure that would be an accurate description of Toyota SC , walk in without booking . So less car better service correlation is still inaccurate because there are other factors at play.

In any case, honda is now known as the group of lousy SC? That is why it is at the bottom even lower than VW and Ford.?

Given this as one of the consideration , (another being the declining build quality that was reported ), one have to think twice about buying another Honda surely? And this hesitation is perhaps a room of opportunity open for Mitsubishi or others to take advantage of?
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 24 2017, 02:10 PM)
I was only thinking about Malaysia, I didn't realize we were also talking about other markets. Quite surprised to learn how much volume they command with the treble alliance.

In Thailand, the combined sales of Nissan and Mitsubishi should equal or better Honda. But they are in decline. It is the same story in Indonesia. Therefore, they either need a product refresh or branding refocusing

So my opinion is they should let one of the brands retreat from both Thailand and Indonesia and even Philippines to avoid the ghost hit ghost scenario. It would make better sense to consolidate their operations to better improve overall operations and profits.

For example if Mitsubishi is doing better in most of the regional markets then perhaps Nissan should retreat and let Mitsubishi take over sales. They can always cross sell the type of cars:

Mitsubishi Almera instead of Attrage
Mitsubishi Triton and Naverra (one lower and one higher spec)
Mitsubishi Lancer (instead of calling it Slyphy)
Mitsubishi ASX + Outlander
Mitsubishi X-Trail
Mitsubishi Livina and Xpander (One is mini 7 seater and the other SUV)
Mitsubishi Diamente (but using Teana)
Mitsubishi Elgrand

The days of small independent manufacturer really looks bleaker everyday forward. Platform and parts sharing is really the way forward in reducing cost.
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This is all up to the big boss Carlos Ghosn and his team
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post Aug 24 2017, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(destee88 @ Aug 24 2017, 11:53 AM)
indo off course,, in malaysia nope .. sure over RM90K .. thanks to our gomen for high tax ...
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Sure? Do you know something that we don't know yet. You insider izzit, tell more please?

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 24 2017, 07:09 PM)
Honda SC are too scarce & too limited to cater for the sales boom it got. Honda build quality has always been like that - uneven fittings of sorts but hardly heart-breaking compare to... the issue with VW/Peugeot, esp Peugeot, the bad reliability and bad responsibility from their respective SC.

Speaking of which, that 7yrs extension of Peugeot warranty seems more like 7yrs of vomiting dealing with the SC and not 7yrs of worry-free experience.
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Good sales boom can never be a good excuse for bad service. I hope Honda improve and show a better performance in future years but till then, perhaps you will excused me to be more inclined to Mitsubishi.

I speak.from experience as my wife and I have owned and also had service experience from both Honda and Mitsubishi in KL area. And more than 5 years each brand. Honestly M>H as far as authorized SC is concerned
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 24 2017, 10:01 PM)
Inclined to any brand is alright. But ranking high in JD Power regarding service satisfactory doesn't mean it has brand power. 

Anyway the car has yet to release... so hope Mitsu don't screw themselves.
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The discussion was not never about brand power , it was about the service level of one brand which was consistently good (Top 3) and another which has declined dramatically.

Just look at the last 3 years JD power customer service index surveys and look at Mitsubishi and Honda and tell me what you see.

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post Aug 25 2017, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 25 2017, 07:50 AM)
If they cannot deliver better service with such low volumes then it would really be a shame.
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Low volume also does not equates to good service, can you think of other brands that have similar volume level and limited product offering and get ranked top 3 in the past 3 years?. I think it is easy to discredit a low volume seller and undermine the effort they may have put in to have a good customer service level this way. It is just too convenient and lazy to assume such way

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post Aug 25 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 25 2017, 08:17 AM)
Even if the SC service is as bad as people claims. People will still buy the Honda marque because:

- Long history in Malaysia
- Their car are relatively problem free
- Their cars have good resale value; the civic is the king when it comes to resale
- Not expensive to maintain
- Parts are easy to find, no fear of breakdown - local car mechanics have no issue dealing with T&H cars
- VTEC prangggg seems to still have a huge effect on young people today, hence the desirability

Just points 2 to 5 alone is more than enough to carry their brand.

Just to be clear also, consistent build quality is also one of Honda's weakness - First hand experience, for me - it's both irritating and a nuisance. For others, they outright hate it. But it's not something that would affect the car performance or safety. So till today, many people still bang and bitch about this issue - but it never really goes away.

Now Mitsubishi on the other hand:

- limited car selection
- except for the Triton, the other cars don't seem to carry its resale value as well
- cars should be relatively problem free
- cars should be cheap to maintain
- parts might not be as easy to find because less common but should still be relatively hassle free

It would be a very small room of opportunity. They would need to make sure those customers (like yourself) taking the leap of faith, are well taken care of so that they can build on from there.

In the near term, I don't think they will overtake Honda. Difficult to predict how they will fare long term.
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How did Mazda CX5 unseated best selling c segment SUV from the long reigning honda CRV?
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QUOTE(acbc @ Aug 25 2017, 09:11 AM)

** Update **

Engine is 4A91 used on Lancer EX (sold mostly in SG) and smart forfour. Highly reliable as I've a smart forfour for 10 years old already.
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Thanks for this info. Much appreciated
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QUOTE(aquilaTE @ Aug 24 2017, 03:28 PM)
Thx.  :thumbsup:
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You are most welcomed
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post Aug 25 2017, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 25 2017, 12:17 PM)
Could be any of the reasons below:

Pricing?
Good Promotion?
Good kit?
More appealing design?

I remember when they first launched the CX5, it was seriously a good bargain for the kit and price. They launched the CBU unit that was quite loaded with goodies such as LED headlights and bose speakers etc.

Then when CKD production came, the price also went down - I could be wrong, just basing on what I remember or heard.

You can look at the price list as well, the CX5 base model is still cheaper than the CRV base model by 6k or 7k?

And then recently had a discussion with another member here, the distributor were selling the CX5 at extremely slim profit margins. Whereas the Mazda 6 was completely priced in a manner which did not make sense at all against its competition.

What's your take?
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Exactly. There you have it a winning formula . Despite being a lesser know brand, harder to get parts. Remember the day before CX5?

Underdog sometimes need just one model to have a winner even if they lost out in brand , lost out in to the whole other scheme of things .

Hence my question : can this Xpander be another story of David vs Goliath?
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 25 2017, 12:27 PM)
Irregardless, as long as they aren't screwing up on their after sales then its a good thing.

The bigger problem they have now is having a product line which will make people get excited about buying.
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They have a a new design lingo. The X face. Poper code name:
Dynamic shield

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/indu...ehiro-kunimoto/


Like Kodo design , they can renew it later with other model line up , old or new of which some they can take from the fugly looking Nissan.





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