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post Dec 15 2017, 04:56 PM

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cj first phase of development 20 years ago had afc, now 2nd phase face over supply, looks like not so good karma.

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post Dec 16 2017, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 16 2017, 02:09 PM)
Well its Cyberia lor..
One of the early development in cyberjaya..
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In a few years time, recently or soon to be vped units will be similarly deemed old/out dated.

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post Dec 18 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 18 2017, 01:18 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news...ours-of-launch/

Well, that’s a shocker despite popular belief that Cyber is doomed.
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Oversupply is fake news.

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post Dec 19 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 19 2017, 12:56 PM)
The point is, it’s STILL selling despite surrounded by so much negative news and people like you and therefore all previous assumption and speculation are now moot.
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There are always people buying and selling, it is a matter of volume and how long it takes to be transacted.

At current market sentiment and supply, for reasons why many auctions reached 4th or 5th rounds i.e about 60% mv.

People dislike or find cj unfavorable needs not have any feeling. Only those who have too much to loss would brand or call different in opinion haters.

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post Dec 20 2017, 05:28 AM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 20 2017, 05:19 AM)
That’s the funny part. U said auction til 5/6 rounds and yet people still investing in Cyber. Shouldn’t they stay away and be cautious?

Whether u have feeling or not, it doesn’t concern me a bit. I just wanna know what makes those people buy.
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If price is cheap enough, there is always buyer e.g proton car.

Why one wants to invest in cj knowing price could hardly rise or even on down fall?

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post Dec 20 2017, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(MSS @ Dec 20 2017, 08:27 AM)
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When i step in cyberjaya, many unit still unsold from developer.
But, i dunno how to react when read this news.
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What you saw in cj is fake news.

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post Dec 20 2017, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(roy_zu @ Dec 20 2017, 12:06 PM)
Just recently bought Landed in cyber. Nice to see so many haters and believers. Let's see where Cyber leads in next couple of years. Also notices there was an old thread on "Is Cyber turning into Puchong"? Since I'm staying at Puchong now, if that happen, it will be a biggest nightmare.
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Those find cyber unfavorable don't have any feeling. Only those have too much to loss would call people with different in opinion haters.

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post Dec 20 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 20 2017, 04:11 PM)
You’re contradicting yourself. At first u said people buy coz it’s cheap. Then u said why bother investing in Cyber knowing the price hardly rises. Aren’t those buyers buying for investment? What else can it be? If Cyber has no future, people won’t even risk buying no matter how cheap they can get it for.

Back to the car theory. Why buy proton knowing it’s extremely unreliable? (Sorry people who use proton) Why not buy parodua for the same price?
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If price is cheap enough, there is always buyer; there is nothing contradictory. Like bukit beruntung, it may be not popular or unfavourable by many, there are still people buy and stay there. Like those who bought at cj, those who are staying at bukit beruntung are singing the same praises on tranquility, quietness, etc.

People are not as rational as what they believe else they wouldn't have bought proton car or overpriced property.

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post Dec 20 2017, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 20 2017, 09:07 PM)
If it’s not contradiction then what it is? Are you saying they’re stupid based on ur comparison and logic? I don’t think they’re as dumb as the way u think they are. And I believe those buyers are from KL area just like you and me. Surely there’re some factors that draw them to buy. And if price is main factor then developer won’t have problem selling nx time regardless where, even Sepang or Tg. Sepat. Perhaps it’s just prejucide on your part.

And buying overpriced property is irrational? Well it’s irrational if u’re just an average earner but totally acceptable for those rich people.
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There are people bought and stay in sepang, tg sepat, etc.

If buying overpriced property is not irrational, wait til bank interest rate rise and see.
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post Dec 20 2017, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(thecaterpillar @ Dec 20 2017, 09:31 PM)
Unfortunately that's not the case, lots of cheap house not sold due to location not favourable.
And... seriously bukit beruntung sing the same praises on everything as Cyberjaya? LOL !!!
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Those unsold is fake news.

Not everything, only those has similarities e.g quietness, tranquility, traffic jam free, cricket sounds, greenery, fresh air, etc.

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post Dec 20 2017, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 20 2017, 10:56 PM)
Yes there are people buying and staying at Sepang etc but to have a new launch snapped up within days is unheard of in those areas. Unless u know something we don’t.

Back to my question. Why are people still buying Cyber despite all negativity? Your justification of cheaper price draws the crowd is not very convincing. As if location and the prospect of the area don’t count and people simply buy because it’s ‘affordable’.

And from your reply, clearly u’re not... You’ll never understand how rich people think. What’s bank interest to them? Does it even matter? They buy coz they like it, not coz of price or interest rate.
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Suggest you to find out how much monthly loan repayment would rise if bank interest rate increase by 1%.


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post Dec 21 2017, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(xyyap @ Dec 20 2017, 11:10 PM)
Precisely, we are waiting for DJIA to hit 28000

Since 2008 people starts selling interest hike, sorry for those who believe in such story.
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Interest rate rise after ge14 is almost a certainty and those ill prepared will be in the shock.

The faster and higher djia rise, bank interest rate will follow.

QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 20 2017, 11:24 PM)
U’re still not getting it. It doesn’t matter to rich people. U don’t know coz u never are one? I’m referring to expensive property. I’m not talking about ordinary ones.
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Interest rate rise impact everyone with bank borrowing.

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post Dec 21 2017, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 21 2017, 10:21 AM)
It’ll affect majority of the people but not the richest 10 percent. Just admit that ur analysis is partially wrong.
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If you find out how much net worth is needed to qualify as richest 10% in this country, you will be disappointed.

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post Dec 21 2017, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(wsoon82 @ Dec 21 2017, 01:10 PM)
I always wondering how those data are derived, because many people around me are much much richer than that....

The problem with people keep thinking/hoping property will go down is they never get to own one, because they never know when is the lowest, and they always think it will go down further. When it's time to make the "buy" decision, do it and stop worrying too much as long as you know what you are doing.
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Data published by non political epf and financial institutions are fairly neutral and reliable.

It seem the number of high net worth individuals in this country is much lower than most expected. Many appear well off are living on credit.

Similarly those expect house price will always rise exponentially or in straight line will be disappointed. Most if not all home are bought with bank loan and often highly geared. A change in bank interest rate will magnify loan repayment; a risk, few have experienced.
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post Dec 21 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 21 2017, 02:44 PM)
If those reports can be trusted 100% then pigs will fly. There’re many tax evaders and dirty money around which the gov can’t even track. I suggest u surround urself with more rich people and expand ur horizon a bit broader then u won’t say things like u do now. And I’m not talking about middle class here. I’m talking about upper middle class and above.
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With gst, kyc and amla implementation, few could evade tax or for long.

Data is only useful if one knows how to read and interpret.

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post Dec 21 2017, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(wsoon82 @ Dec 21 2017, 03:56 PM)
You really need to look at people around you and talk to them, find out youselve, it is not unusual for people to buy properties or lands with cash, I have seen too many of them, and they are not buying one but many units. And they don't look rich.
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If cash rich people are many, developers and flippers won't blame bank for poor sale.

QUOTE(Just Saying @ Dec 21 2017, 04:20 PM)
Well not when u have political backing and all that. Alar... takkan u dunno right. Do I have to make it so obvious? Tax evasion is rampant lah in this country. And there are many self-made millionaires also.

Data is meaningless these days. It doesn’t reflect the whole country. Data can also be manipulated to make it looks better or worse than it is. For instance, people are suffering and yet gov official says country is on right track towards high income nation and backs it with gdp growth. And one of the ways to boost gdp is by implementing gst. So in reality are we doing ok or not? You know I know lar.
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That's why data reliability is important.
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post Dec 21 2017, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(wsoon82 @ Dec 21 2017, 05:30 PM)
When people put money in your pocket, you can decide to take it or ignore it. If you want to success, stop complaining and worrying, set your goals and take actions, and always find out the truth with your own eye.
Just my opinion.
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In the dog eat dog world, more likely they are trying to siphon your money or have vested interest rather than helping you.

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post Dec 21 2017, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(wangdu @ Dec 21 2017, 05:50 PM)
Bro.. u work too hard.. if u really dont like cyber.. just let it be.. people can decide by themself.. no need to put all un-confirm fact just to pleased you.
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If they want to buy.. they will buy it..
I never ever think buying property and worried on the interest rates or so on.. let it be.
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Just find what u like.. and move on..
I found my house and move on too.. if u can afford it.. and it was nice for you.. just do it..
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People can buy anywhere or any price they want as long as they don't put down other area as unliveable or brand different in opinion as hater.

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post Dec 21 2017, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 18 2017, 04:35 PM)
Bank valuation 700k. See the comparison.
If no taker this round, next new value will fall below 400k.

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Dec 21 2017, 09:48 PM)
NO BIDDER!!!

drop below 393k next round.
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If current market sentiment persists, other development in cj likely to follow.

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post Dec 22 2017, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 22 2017, 09:04 PM)
Surely, the auctions intensely  discussed by some here would not cause a Sub Prime situation in Cyberjaya....

As to interest rate hikes, the hikes apply worldwide , not just to Cyberjaya properties alone.

If u are a true investor , u could sense the expected hikes long time ago..either the info comes directly from Fed or read the news locally....aka most  investors are well informed
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Many investors live in low interest rate era, have no idea on impact of higher interest rate; hence bought with elevated loan service ratio.

Property investment is highly geared; if one is aware of impending interest rate hike will shy away from property investment.

Auction property in cj often reached 4th or 5th round indicating units were overpriced and could expect other units to follow.

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