So I know my case might be way different than you guys have ever encountered. Here goes....

So I have received my STPM results on 28/2/2017. I got CGPA 3.08 (phew..)

I applied to MMU and BAC, cos my family doesn't allow other unis, but in my hear i secretly want BAC cos i can at least migrate with my Law Degree, but with MMU i'm only stuck in Malaysia. My dad thinks that I want to be a lawyer in Sarawak, but he fails to see that i want to migrate out as a lawyer.

So long story short, on May MMU said that i cant join cos my SPM English had a B, and their minimum is SPM English B+, although i got band 5 for MUET, which is good news for me cos i can go to BAC easily now, plus they offered me a place using my STPM and MUET, which to BAC is exceptional. This news is devastating to my dad though.

So now he wants me to repeat SPM English and try MMU again, But I really want to join BAC this year, as next year i'm sure i wont be joining MMU cos the competition would be too high from STPM 2017 students + their own foundation students. eventhough I have cun cun kena their minimum requirements, will that guarantee me joining MMU? Last week I called their registrar office and the registrar officer herself said that to tale in students would start fron CGPA 3.3, and during appeal only they will go 3.29 and lower. So my chances to Join MMU are pretty low.

Now compare that to BAC who are willing to give me a spot, why would I want to wait a year for eventual rejection by MMU when i could study this year?

please advise me on tips to convince my father, as fellow asians

CLP is the thing. If you are doing it through BAC, you got to read CLP after your LLB to be a qualified lawyer whereas on MMU, you can exempted yourself from doing the tough and low passing rate CLP by just finishing 4 years internal degree.

As obvious as it is.

Would you willing to waste a year just to wait? Even you would, there is still significant risk of getting rejected.

i'm saying in terms of consequence, instead of desire.
i'm good at reasoning, but doesn't make me a good persuader.

CLP is for Malaysia only. I seriously do not care if i fail or pass clp, I want to do my PLT at australia after completing BAC and get outta malaysia

that's the thing, universities today do not work like in the 1940's, where we can use contacts to enter an uni. its all meritocracy now, and the older generation needs to understand that

dream on... your dream requires money, unless you are making tons of it, you can continue to dream.

Speak to your dad like a matured adult. I'm pretty sure your dad's concern is on the financial part. Who is going to pay for everything if he wasn't the one? have you even consider your dad has the capability to finance your study?

It's either you go look for a local Uni which offer similar courses and more affordable or you go look for a sponsorship through scholarship or something.

he said he is able to finance the tuition fees, as for accommodation and food, i'll work and find my own sources. besides, MMU is now rm 67,000, rm 12000 more expensive than bac. As for the PLT programme, the firm that i'll join will absorb some of the fees while clp, my dad will pay rm 10000, and if i fail? more money. PLT is just training without exams

his concern isnt the financial part, he's just too stubbornly nationalistic. I said i want to leave, whereas he wants me to 'serve' Sarawak as a lawyer. like seriously?

All i hear is you are still going to use his money for studies. Unless you are financially independent you will be studying under his terms. Again, what's stopping you from graduating locally and work as a professional overseas later on? I only keep seeing you wanting to visit and spend sometime outside of the country.

There's nothing wrong in what his hoping for. There are too many stories where parents sent their kid oversea and in the end they are left alone back in their small hometown dying alone without their kid around. I think your dad is smart though. I don't see a problem being a lawyer in Sarawak too.

You personally had the mindset that the grass is just greener overseas. That's all.

idk la, thats kinda true, i hope can use MMU degree for PLT la, i'll email them now, at least can have the choice to practise in both countries. And dont worry, my parents coming with me to live whether in sarawak or australia

Lol your UOL degree being recognized overseas doesn't mean foreign employers will want you.

Look at it realistically. You're a foreigner from some obscure country in Asia and your English is no where near western standards or even foreign students studying in Australia. If it's that easy, why do so many foreign grads from Australia and UK come back to Malaysia to earn MYR when they can earn GBP or AUD?

Furthermore, from the perspective of a foreign employer. Why should I torture myself with additional paperwork for a foreign lawyer when there are so many universities in Australia producing law graduates yearly? There are a lot of unemployed local lawyers in Australia, why should I hire you over them? Their English is probably a lot better, so why should I risk hiring you? Chances are that a foreign graduate from a decent Australian university stands a better chance, yet most of them are coming back to Malaysia.

Like the Chinese like to say, your father has eaten more salt than you have eaten rice. His advice is likely based on his life experiences, and he does not want you to repeat the mistakes he made. If it's that easy to work in Australia and earn AUD, I'm sure he will be rushing you off to study in BAC.

Also, bear in mind that probably >90% of your cohort has the same idea as you. There may be some success stories but these come from people who are the top 0.1% or so. Realistically speaking, a B in SPM English does not bode well for you if your aspiration is to be one of those successes. MUET imo is a bit useless as its very easy to 'game' the system by following a specific format, even if you don't really know what you're doing.

Hi, what you mentioned is absolutely correct, 110% agreed and I'll say it's will be challenge for him/her to pursuit in Law degree with SPM just B grade, he/she should explore others tertiary courses which do not required good passed in English like IT, marketing, business studies or accounting.

This post has been edited by utellme: Aug 9 2017, 03:23 PM

hahahaha

well said..

since now most those "develop" countries like to take up Australian first.. gone the days the take up foreigners

Listen to this.

From a working adult perspective, you are doing the right thing. Why must MMU? Cost?

I support you because ;

1. You sound like you know what you doing. (Putting right/wrong aside first)
2. 1 year make a lot of different. Some might say nothing much but imagine when you grad and out for work, your same batch friend might adi at senior/management level. It does make a different to grad young and start working experience early in a professional field. Engineer with 10 years vs 5 years experiences.
3. Beside that, you are very clear on what field to choose, you also have a long term plan. How many kiddo nowadays think about it? If can migrate, why not?
4. Choose what you like with no regret or choose what your father like with/might regret.

My vote.... stand your point. Talk nicely to your parent and listen to your parents points too. If doesnt make sense or what they see was not as far as yours... then you have the answers. GoodLuck.

Forgive my inglish. In hurry.....

This post has been edited by dRLurve: Aug 9 2017, 05:55 PM

If your education objective is out of country. Well yeah, I do have this passion as well.

You clearly have your points of choosing, like you said he failed to see what you really want. Couldn't you just discuss with him and explain? If he is a reasonable person, quite sure he would agree, or perhaps he has better points?

Unlike your circumstance, my family income is limited. But again, if you have passion to improve your personal development. I'm quite sure cert won't matter.

It is not that I'm against local graduate, but nowadays most of them just being passive in learning. (free riding/aim to pass)

Of course, not all uni produce "bad seed" graduates.

Totally agree your statement..
TS better read this..

Why would you you stuck in Malaysia with the certificate awarded by MMU? Is it not recognised in other countries?

This post has been edited by NicoRobinz: Aug 10 2017, 09:02 AM

guys i read the comment by kcdw96 and the rest, according to queensland legal association, MMU degree also recognized, but better if 2nd upper and higher degree, so for me now doesnt matter if bac or mmu anymore la

Everything that is said here is valid, also Kcdw96's comments.

Further considerations for the father:
- why must he force the son repeat SPM English? Why must he restrict only to MMU? Why must it be law? There are plenty of other universities to apply to.

Further considerations for the son:
- why must he study at BAC? There are plenty of other options to take that can allow him to apply to Australia. There is no guarantee he can migrate to Australia (he may fail some courses at BAC, Australian migration rules changes, long term catastrophic event at Australia, etc)