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alien13579
post Aug 8 2017, 08:19 AM

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this is why i dnt go for unit trust consultant...due to their high sales charges/agent fee
i do it on my own through a company and sales charge/agent fee is only 1% max...sometime can go as low as 0.5%

regarding hedge fund which i have no idea how, how's the risk and volatility compared to unit trust?
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post Aug 8 2017, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(red4900 @ Aug 8 2017, 08:06 AM)
Out of topic question: How much % do the UT consultant make from commission? Say, if I invest 10k, how much do the agent gets?
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already wrote there between 5.5% to 6.5% for the amount u invested
and i did it with 1% brows.gif
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post Aug 8 2017, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Aug 8 2017, 11:28 AM)
Hedge funds would be going for active returns, or Alpha with your investments... they use multiple techniques to try to generate "very high returns". Different hedge funds will be using different strategies, and they are categorized.

If I am not mistaken, the movie the big-short has Christian Bale's character playing a hedge fund manager/analyst. it is a very hands-on fund, and costs high fees, but do they generate the highest returns? Perhaps, but like I said it is generally not accessible to the average person as there are minimum fees, and sometimes only upon invitation

From: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedgefund.asp

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Fee structure: Instead of charging an expense ratio only, hedge funds charge both an expense ratio and a performance fee. This fee structure is known as "Two and Twenty"—a 2% asset management fee and then a 20% cut of any gains generated.


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Because they are private investment vehicles that only allow wealthy individuals to invest, hedge funds can pretty much do what they want as long as they disclose the strategy upfront to investors

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looks like its not for me since im just an average person laugh.gif
even those "wholesale" fund that require 100k minimum i also can't afford

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Aug 8 2017, 11:28 AM)
in general, agents would quote you 10% annualized return for 10-year periods for equity funds. It could be higher, but depends on WHEN you are asking.
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in many cases, many public mutual customer complain hard to even out their investment due to the high sales charge
means profit is still long way
so that why smart ppl will go for FSM for the low SC for faster even thn make profit
those PB mutual agent dnt even care u make profit or not as long as they earn from your SC
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post Aug 8 2017, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Aug 8 2017, 12:05 PM)
I dont mean to bad mouth agents, but the biggest fees come from the initial sales.. and there is little that they can do to manage your investments other than switching funds - but there is a risk of you switching at the wrong time.

My mentor Azizi Ali actually said there is a sure way to make money by staying in Unit Trust - that is by being a unit trust agent. They make a boat load (well, the successful ones)
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yes, they made the most of their money from how much the customer invested
not so much abt after, so they dnt really care u break even or not, let alone profit laugh.gif
thats why i trust myself by going to FSM instead

agent make money from customer
customer themselves can make money to by selecting the correct fund to invest to
some of my funds are at 30% now though i dnt invest like alot into it compared to those gold/platinum member in FSM laugh.gif

expectation should be put around 4-5% annualized, 10% is more toward MLM level already laugh.gif

This post has been edited by alien13579: Aug 8 2017, 12:45 PM
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post Aug 8 2017, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Aug 8 2017, 12:46 PM)
what are the switching charges for FSM funds? would it be realistic to trade the funds as if you were trading stocks - not talking about day trade
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i dnt remember how much is the switching charges, need to check back
but ultimately depends on where do u switch to
if switching fund between same fund house, thn no charges...like cimb to cimb but different segment of investment
if switching fund to another fund house thn there will be charges...like cimb to affin hwang

no, from what i learn, investing in unit trust is more toward holding it
i dnt have experience whatsoever in trading stock so no comment on that but the biggest mistake a person did in investing in unit trust is "nampak rugi trus jual"
it doesn't work like that
its more of a long term investment, slow up slow down as opposed to fluctuate wildly like bitcoin

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