QUOTE(Spear2 @ Dec 9 2017, 09:55 AM)
Only religion can mess up your morality so badly and still feels good about it, God loved His children so much that He had to kill them all, including kids and babies. One wonders if the terrorists would cleanse the world from the perceived vile and corruption, kill them all with the same justification, they were just carrying out God's wishes.
And God felt lonely ... How long has passed since He finally decided to create Adam?
You my friend belong to the group of people whom already had an "extreme" mindset where they subscribed to the notion that religion is bad. Note: "extreme" not "extremist". You always make "extreme" comparisons rather than rationale ones.
You are not wrong and I won't try to prove you are because it will be a waste of the universe's time. This is because you only want to understand things the way you want it to be understood, not what things are meant to be understood. You are like a rubber band and you suffer from "rubber-banding", the more you are stretched, the higher your resistance is.
I am just going to make a point where you are not right.
Religion did not mess up my morality, in fact if you see it in the chronology order, since you mentioned morality, is LGBT right in the right course of nature? Was what happened in S&G intended to be the normal course of nature? Surely, the answer cannot be a resounding "Yes!". God did not create Steve, Bill or Jack but He created Eve.
You could again argue that I may be wrong because "i wasn't there" but majority rules and hundreds of countries in planet earth cannot be wrong too.
You are drawn to the conclusion that God decided to destroy an entire city with innocent people in it as if God did not deliberated on it. I would invite you again to read the "possibility" of actions that God may have taken before He decided to just "kaboom" an entire city. Like I also mentioned earlier, God could do "selective killing" and He can because He showed it in Egypt, so there must be an underlying principle why God decided this time to just hit the "reset button"
You are harboring under a wrong impression when it comes to terrorism, true, terrorists act upon the notion that they are under an obligation to "cleanse" and they are under the influence that they have the authority to do so rightfully but truly, is there such authority given?
You need to make a fair distinction now, God giveth hence He taketh. God made us, so technically speaking, we are His so He has all the rights to do what He wants with us. Terrorists did not make us so what gives them the authority to take what is not theirs?
Same thing like if you bought a car, you can drive it down to a river stream and kill your family members in it. It's your choice and nobody can stop you from doing it. No country in this world will launch a war against you for what you have done but the real question is, are you ready to deal with the circumstances? God is.
"how long", I do not even dare dwell in the question of time as it has been mentioned time after time after time that God's timing and our timing is entirely different so unless we, humans are able to grasp the essence of the definition of God's time, let's just leave that out for the moment, shall we?
for all purposes, let's just assumed time is "sufficient".
QUOTE(zamorin @ Dec 9 2017, 10:08 AM)
What bizarre morals! He killed them but he loves them? What's the difference then if god loves them or hates them?
So, he is not omnipotent?
No religion ever promote their god as only punishing people but also as a loving god, including Christianity. No one failed to understand that.
I kept on seeing the term "morals" in this thread. Everyone seems to be questioning the "morality" of God. Truly, on what moral standards are you judging God? That is the first thing whoever wants to judge morality must first ascertained. Without knowing where the "standard" comes from, we are only qualified to be an observer.
S&G has fallen to a state beyond redemption so tell me, would you walk happily along Jalan Ampang if every 3 steps you take, you see 2 naked men having intercourse? There is a possibility that you might enjoy the view because these people are not your concern, they have nothing to do with you. No statutory law actually binds a passerby to an obligation to help a person in danger, you are that passerby. Just to make it clearer to you, you would be the person who drives slowly passing by a traffic accident trying to figure what happened but has no intention of helping.
Those people in S&G, they belong to God so every single thing they do reflects on Him.
Have you seen a father who loves his son so much that he is willing to report to the police the crime his son has committed so that his son could be arrested with the hope that after all the due legal process, his son could be saved? Another type of father is the one who will condone and assist the son to keep mum of all the crimes he has done because the father couldn't afford to see his son loses his freedom, is this then called "love", the act of allowing the son to continue "killing" himself.
If God is not omnipotent then what He is?
You are right, no religion has ever depicted their God as an "always angry God and always finding people to kill". Can I ask you a question? Did you read the bible before? Not in depth but just the first few chapters of it would immediately run your mind clear. God is not always angry, He gets "pissed off" when people pisses Him off. naturally.
Take for an example, Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice one of this sons, Abraham complied but before the sacrificing aka killing, did you know that God sent a messenger (angel) to stop Abraham from do so?
Another example, Ishmael and Hagar, they were "kicked out" but God did not left them to die in the desert, in fact, what happened is that the bible states that God was with Ishmael while he was growing up.
So just to further sealed that matter of fact, yeah, in my opinion, God is pretty loving, just don't piss Him off :hahahaa:
QUOTE(iGamer @ Dec 10 2017, 12:49 PM)
Didn't God already created angels before he supposedly created human? Does this imply the Angels were boring beings, perhaps too obidient?
:haha: No mention on that part but probably angels were like servants to God, they carried out God's wishes/orders and that is all. Something like employer/employee relationship. God created Adam because He wanted someone to talk too (crudely put) and created in "His image" because what would be better than duplicating Himself to ensure high compatibility XDThis post has been edited by shaniandras2787: Yesterday, 03:03 PM