Wanna get myself a dSLR, after doing survey for months, left 2 choices. I went to the shops and ask for quotes ,and this are the pricing...

Sony A100 = dual lens Kit = RM3799

Canon 400d dual Lens Kit = RM3999



can anyone spare some advice...pls...

Go for Canon 400D you will not regret buying it.

why is that?

the Sony Alpha has Image Stabilization feature on the body. same goes to Pentax (i think it's K100D)

the Canon doesn't have this feature. you need to get IS lens just to do that.

the Sony on the other hand, you're limited to a certain extent. like your lens for example, with so few Sony users in Malaysia you can't exactly get used lens offers as frequent as Canon / Nikon users.

and should you some how run out of memory space while shooting blablabla - the reliance of Sony's memory stick means you can only borrow from fellow Sony users.

for Canon, it uses CF (lower ends use SD) - and CF / SD cards are more easily found among users. not to say that you will come by that situation often la but just to mention about the memory type benefits.

for me, my 350D uses CF. and so does my S7000 that uses CF. so both my cameras can use my CFs. no need so many memory types at home.

P&S nowadays use SD. so if you get a D40/D50/K100D then you also can share the usage of those SDs.

if i'm not wrong, sony oso can use CF card.. i mean for its dSLR.... the only concern is the noise.. is it really noisy on ISO 800 up?

Sony uses CF, and normal CF, it does come with a Memory Stick Adapter just in case you purchase a Sony Memory Stick. There is not much noise when shooting at ISO 800, only when in ISO 1600.

Oh....and let me add up to this. Sony Alpha A100 mount is same as Minolta A-type bayonet. All old minolta 7d/5d or even older flim SLR works on it. So...for second hand lenses, you can always go for old minolta lenses or older make from Tamron or Sigma.

What make it more impressive is, older version of minolta flash also works on the alpha

All tested and proven, minolta or sony lenses produce the same picture

This post has been edited by DArkBat: Apr 6 2007, 06:10 PM

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page2.asp

Storage
. Compact Flash Type I/II
. Memory Stick Duo / Pro Duo via CF adapter
. Supports FAT16 / FAT32

ok so you're right. screw that sales person that give me wrong info.

so? sony is a good choice?

Sony limited accessories and noise level higher than Canon.

Image stabaliser just a feature...if your hand shake alot also won't help ....

Go for Canon !!

heard the ergonomics of the sony not too good..

not trying to be biased, but go for canon

wide lens range, yeah, you can find lens ranging from sigma, tamron, tokina if im not wrong. Doesnt mean that you have to always go for canon lens though. But if u have the cash, invest in an L lens, like the 24mm-105mm f/4L

furthermore you can buy a battery grip and the whole cam will be like those 1Ds and the noise level for canon's cmos sensor is lower than the one with sony.

the Canon Guy quote me the 400D for 3300 now, with dual lens . is it worth it?

at that price... very attractive... dual lens wor... get quick..lol

of course it is, I dont see the reason that it isnt.

This post has been edited by R a D ! c 4 L: Apr 7 2007, 02:32 PM

i mean.. will they give me some lousy lens instead? can any one gimme the kit lens model so i can bring to compare during my purchase?


sorry, i'm a noob

Kit lenses will always compare badly against the medium, and high-grade lenses from the same manufacturer. No need to even compare. The fare worser than the more expensive lenses is just about all characteristics, from build quality, to sharpness & contrast, distortions, chromatic abberations, susceptibility to flares, etc.

Question is, if you have no money to get anything other than kit lenses, which manufacturer's kit lenses are better?

Please go to www.photozone.de to look up on the editor's Canon and Nikon lens reviews. They may have also user-ratings for Minolta/Sony lenses too (in a separate database from their official reviews).

yeah kit lens can never top the quality of those mid high grade lens. cjtune stated it really clear. BUT... that doesnt mean that kit lens cant produce great images too... here's some example

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51174252/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49050009/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49995605/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/22168510/
^ he only uses kit lens, but still, look at the results. This proves that skill does matter man.

This post has been edited by R a D ! c 4 L: Apr 7 2007, 03:57 PM

c'mon la. guys. kit lens comes with the body comparing to mid/high grade lense that costs 2 - 3k and some even to the price of a kancil. who are we kidding?

point is, kit lens is good enough as it is. i mean what more could you ask something that came together with the camera?

okie, so, just the camera with the kit lens, which is better? sony or canon?

I got my Sony A100 and I never regretted getting it. Loved how it handled. Comfortable with the interface. Guess as beginner's camera, either one will be ok. You won't go wrong with any one of these cameras. I guess the thing you really should look at is how it FEELS in your hand - if you are comfortable taking photos with that camera in your hands.

Hope that helps, in a not too technical way anyway

Sham.

If given kitlens is high end lens than all DSLR would cost at least 4-5K above...the point where there is Entry Level DSLR nowadays is to slowly let compact camera, prosumer camera user to slowly poison themself to DSLR which personally i think it's good....

Just my 2 cents

went to sony wings today... played with a100 for around 1 hour ... really like this machine~ I think i will get it...

is it?
maybe you would like to try Nikon

OOB (Out of Budget) lar. sinchan, I dun really like Jedi, and I like to be on the Dark Side... too bad... Dark Side "membership" is too high...



This post has been edited by TeraPox: Apr 9 2007, 05:25 PM

sonyfy ur life

don regret if you "happen" to feel others brands after you made your purchase and start looking back yah.... hehehehehe

Just dunno why, but i feel that people around here just hates Sony

Just do more research and you know what brand of Camera you will like to own.

If you already decided just go ahead and get one. Like what wlcling say "just don't look back & don't compare your purchase with other brands" & I am sure you will be happy with it.

This post has been edited by chrisoys: Apr 9 2007, 11:44 PM

read in some forums (not sure if its this one or not), but it was mentioned that how much you research about what you want, etc, etc, nothing beats actually going and really feeling the real thing for yourself.... so go to some friendly shop and try all the possible models..

hohoh....so many different dark side poisoning him ....

you still can get 3rd party lens that makes for KM mount.

it's not like you're going to get lens all the time.

just take note that waiting for people to sell off their 2nd hand unit for Sony (KM) mount is pretty hopeless. i thought of getting Pentax K100D myself but end up getting Canon 350D (used unit la. i also budget user.)

TeraPox,

I'm a Sony A100 user. I can tell you that if you go with this camera, you won't be taking a bad route. Sure you will get itchy and think why all the lenses on sale are for either Nikon / Canon only... but put it this way lah: if there are less KM/Alpha mount lenses for sale, then there are less chances of us getting poisoned and our money in our bank is more safe

But like fellow forumers said, go & "fondle" each camera to your heart's contend then only buy lah. Don't rush.

Sham.

ah~ forgot to ask.. is it true that 400d is around six month "younger" than a100?

so younger make it better? like chicks...

yah... but too young and you also might not know what you're getting yourself into.... hehehe

400D first launch was Sep 2006

so, the age graph should be like this...

Sony A100 ( June 2006) > Nikon aka darkside D80 (August 2006) > Canon 400D (Sept 2006)

pls correct me if i'm wrong ...

I don't think it really matters that much as to which comes out first. It is how each & everyone of these camera feel in your hand. How comfortable you are with using it. Some guys I know still insist on using manual film camera because to them, it feels "right". And I am not someone who will argue with them because the shots they make are seriously good.

Sham.

aiyo..it's really confusing him since we have different brand and model user here and sure everyone said their own model/brand is good this and that.

I think BEST is you go check out the camera physically, try and test on them..see which one nice to hold, u like from the first look and budget meet you...like choosing girl friend la...SET some requirement la

hehehe...if not ppl keep saying "eh i saw this chinese girl pretty, i saw that malay girl pretty and etc you will end up single forever !! "ahahaha....

g88, I LIKE YOUR ANALOGY!

sham.

Hahaha...real life example

g88! good point!!!

and i can see most of the people around here like indian girl (Dark side)

wahahhaha... lame joke, i know...

...very one here is Dark Vader version of Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax...whatever brand of DSLR maker that you can name it la....

Also everyone been train with different "FORCE" ...

Ok la...crap and joke enough, back to topic pls

ok, u think pc fair can get cheaper deal ah?

Price don't think so...freebies YES

finally buy liao~~~ Canon 400D +Kit Lens + 90-300mm USM.


free 2G+ Tripod + BackPack + Screen Protector + Filters+ 3M cleaning cloth


all for Rm3650.

good deal boh?

Good ... welcome to the Canon family

Where did u get this deal?

y ? good deal meh?

Share bIT LA..

Well come to Canon family kekeke

Corrupted by the Canon Die-Hard Fan la~

got the deal from PiKom Pc Fair~

oooo means those ppl interested got one more day to get it

No, I have plan it to get one since January but the DSLRs here are way too expensive. So I have to get it in Malaysia anyhow.

I'm sure there will be more promotions in the future/or the price for it will drop even further when i get the chance to buy one.

Go for Canon lor...it obviously better...

nonnnnon

Please don't be brand follower.

I don't think most ppls choose Canon & Nikon will be wrong about it

my advice is you choose from model, like you compare Nikon D40 with Canon 350D, then you think that 350D is better, then you go for it. But don't put a statement that which brand is the best, there is no best brand in the world, there are so many different models for consumer to pick and the battle never ends, like Honda and Toyota, don't say that "Go for Toyota, it is obviously better"

No doubt Toyota is way better than Honda!!!

I am so sorry on your shallow statement here, anyway let's end this and go shooting.

Seem like you don't know much about cars

and what do car related to photography?

cityfish just gave a synomyms on his arguement

and with a shallow reply like yours on the other page, it looks like you don't either.

the Toyota vs Honda thing has been argued about time and again, both are good car makers and each models has it's strengths and weakness.

the Toyata vs Honda thing is just like AMD vs Intel and Canon vs Nikon - there's NO clear winner!!! if there was, then there won't be any argument in the first place.

so now - back to topic.

For me, I'm going to Canon...But much prefer Nikon...He...he...he...

I will always stick to Canon with wide range of accesories and lens than Sony, and better CCD cleaning system too^^ (my own opinion)

When I was using film I used Nikon ... digital? Nikon GOOD but Canon .. better