did it with 2 healers 1 rogue 1 warlock 1 warrior tank.

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Added on April 5, 2007, 8:53 pmif the lock is on the adds then affliction lock. 3 dots, fear = dead. siphon life on single adds and elites will easily recover the hp u use for tapping. dragonlings shuold be clapped, double seeded and ignored.

taunt should never be an issue unless the mobs have aggro wipe.

no, more crit is a must. more crit from talent = less focus of crit on gears = more spell hit. The game of the new expansion is "TO HIT". 20% for rogues and 15% for casters (taken from nihilum's site).

no such thing as too much crit, more crit allows u to socket hit gems.

mage and locks can both solo the adds well. only benefit is that locks can keep dots on both adds and elites. if its a mage, ask the mage to jsut stand where medivh is standing and kill the adds as they come. every time he kills an add he will be out of battle.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 5 2007, 08:53 PM

myremi was talking about mage drinking issues. thus my suggestion to stand where medivh is and dps from there. compared to aff locks who doesn't even need a single heal or drink for the whole trip.

more dps and less complains? sorry i dont get what that has got to do with drinking issues.

and u fail at making sense. or maybe u score at making 0 sense.

oh then please by all means correct me

ahh ic
so by definition of good mages, the mage has to be decked out in cool epix with 1k spell dmg and the ability to 2 shot adds. right, i'll be sure to tell the next mage who just reached 70 attempting to finish up his kara questline, that he needs to pew pew more and QQ less if he has mana problems cos he can't OMGWTF 4k crit adds.

600 spell power doesn't get u 4k crits on ice bolts or 5k on firebolts. on top of being a heal burden to aoes just to probably 1 bolt in between adds, i dont see the point of your more pew pew and less qq.

have u even tried managing the adds? as far as i know rogues only need to spam 3-4 keys on the elite, then move on to another. u mentioned to complain less and dps more, but maybe u have it the easy way unlike others. Not everybody spends hours farming easy instances before goin on to BM. and as far as i know, the only 4k icebolt i have ever seen is on a video by curse fighting hydross the unstable, the mage was fully buffed with elixirs and flasks.

5k-6k firebolts was done by nihilum's mage with 2.2k fire power.

do not put ppl down telling how the instance is easy and how they should l2p more, just to stroke ur e-peen (which in my eyes are small). BM is a joke to me now but i don't see a point on telling ppl they should pew pew more and whine less. give some constructive comments and do not over exagerate.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 7 2007, 12:42 AM

yes and the statement of pew pew more qq less isn't offensive ot others? it's like you're trying to tell some1 to l2p their character which you have no experience off whatsoever. learn to think before you post imo, the one who doesn't get the point here is you. BM is a practical joke to me, i can do it with 4 melees, or 4 man it now... point is i dont boast shit like that. People are having a hard time and they do not need
stupid crappy comments.

mana was a problem pre nerf to mages in bm, and still to some post nerf... not every group can get a shadow priest.

myremi : i just dont like some1 with no credibility at all putting others down. When he posted how awesome his 5 set assasination and mutilate crits were, i was laughing inside at how pathetic he is. always remember that there's some out there better than you are. and to post even more ridiculous theories just because u think you have better gear than almost everyone here? pffft....

your epic dagger? wow i can only say its about time. Those daggers were being tossed around amongsts warriors in my server like they were play toys. My guild wasn't that lucky htough, only seen it dropped once like a month and a half ago. pity me. 5.5k mutilates? wow... "decent"...

and my mages need to learn how to play? hmm considering if you're the top dpser as you said... i think its' the other way around. all your dpsers need to learn how to play... unless of course.... gasp... never thought of it, ur raid experience is minimal. so sad. gluck in curator yah... with the nerf R&J hope you will enjoy it.

see what i did thar???!!

p.s : oh yah did i forget to mention my server is barthilas, considered one of the slowest in progression for oceanic realms... and u are slower? gosh.. how surprising...

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 9 2007, 07:38 PM

sorry rogues only come out dps on top in like 2 out of 10 fights htese days and on bosses with 0 armor and high spell resists... get your facts straight dude, unless of course u count trash mobs as well. dps fights will heavily rely on your locks first, shadow priests 2nd and mages third. rogues are taken in only on certain fights based on the criterias i have mentioned. so unless you're adding trash mobs to your dps meters, then by all means do that, cos trash mobs do enrage after 2 mins of not killing them amiright? go spew more shit from your mouth dude... and mutilates are just big numbers, no constant and long run dps... gluck with your mentality on further bosses. maybe you should just stick to 5 mans.

cut them some slack, the hunters really have it bad this time around. their dps cant really compare to pre tbc no matter how hard they try. the hunters in my guild even spam fel mana pots for the mana to dps. it's a sad fact but u still need hunters for raids later on. they help in threat boost in fights where u need offtanks and also complicated pulls.

this is more than enough to prove you have no credibility in the shit you spew.

And i'm very sure below those warlocks are shadow priests. This is just an example of how the dps shows on some of their raid encounters. you cannot just classify it as warlocks > rogues > mages in that order. Do you know bm hunters rule the dps charts on magtheridon. so if they included a magtheridon fight in there would you classify it as warlocks > rogues > hunters > mages.

as i have mentioned earlier, there are some bosses where rogues come out on top. maybe 1 or 2 out of 10? and whose talking about stroking e-peens? we are just stating facts in which your friend here could not accept. we are using end game statistics as comparison. sure i may use my raid statistics, but i feel that it holds no ground. some of you guys might say "your players need to l2p" etc. as i have said, bosses now are based on a 10 min timer enrage mode where after that it would wipe out your entire raid party. till the time where your locks mages and shadow priests could not top dps, your raid will probably meet a cockblock on the 25 man raids. its a sad fact, but its true.

and Q : you amaze me with your stupidity to no end. AFF warlocks = dps kings. Destroy locks = e-peen strokers looking out for big numbers, much like your muti rogue. if you're a real guild leader, you seriously should sort things out. if not... yeah maybe go on pvping for the rest of your wow career. always remember in a raid, when 1 person's contribution slacks, 24 others have to cover it.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 13 2007, 11:24 AM