i tend to tell rogues in the beginning of the instance that i'm not that great a healer. so they should be forewarned to bandange themselves.

your epic dagger? wow i can only say its about time. Those daggers were being tossed around amongsts warriors in my server like they were play toys. My guild wasn't that lucky htough, only seen it dropped once like a month and a half ago. pity me. 5.5k mutilates? wow... "decent"...

and my mages need to learn how to play? hmm considering if you're the top dpser as you said... i think its' the other way around. all your dpsers need to learn how to play... unless of course.... gasp... never thought of it, ur raid experience is minimal. so sad. gluck in curator yah... with the nerf R&J hope you will enjoy it.

see what i did thar???!!

p.s : oh yah did i forget to mention my server is barthilas, considered one of the slowest in progression for oceanic realms... and u are slower? gosh.. how surprising...

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 9 2007, 07:38 PM

Bleh... got the salty pop corn instead...

well same here, a lot of my rogue friends worn out with their rogue pre2.0/pre tbc, ive told them a lot on how it will improve, with a lot of REAL promises (especially when its being shown on youtube, PTR, etc etc) and all, but in the end, they just dont wanna take their chances anymore, re-rolling to more solid classes, like warriors (pvp) or mages/locks/hunters (pve). some few rare cases, rolled healer.(he was a good rogue friend of mine, had lotsa good duels and chats all the time) right now his rogue is pretty much dead, but at least hes successful with his priest.

gladys: disc/holy priest duel with rogue 1v1? >.>
if pre2.0/pre tbc i wont say much, but post... seriously... unless you got 9k hp at least, things can get VERY retarded. (i got people xbg rollin lvl1 alt crying at me, or asking me how the hell they "died on the cheapshot")

sets85: not sure if you've been stalking me or not, but i had them for quite some time now, welcome to last month son. and my 5.5k mut decent? cmon, thats half if not most of ur life. heck, you cant even mutilate lol... nor do ur rogue friends that fancies their old school backstabs. gg? welcome to WoW 1.2 if ur still backstabbing lmao.

based on what you said, your rogues need to l2p then, i mean cmon, any top raiding guild have their rogues on top, uh durr, ur beloved nihilum have their rogues on top most of the time... so... ur not quite making much sense here if ur saying mages should be on the top. again, till you can actually make solid claims my dpsers suck, ur just full of shit, perhaps time to stop sucking that phat meat rod and actually put some sense to your words eh?

p/s: oh yah did you even know how much asia pacific community we even have on stormscale? bet you didnt. and for us to go this far, and you comparing urself to us, i pity you. not sure if you EVEN checked our server's progression and compared it to your server's progression, because frankly, stormscale is no where being fast either. so all in all, good effort, but not quite. try again next time.

cleared it and worked out why. not enough pew pew pew. 1 prot tank, 1 kitty druid, 1 destro lock, 1 fire/arcane mage.

in the end, we put down the beacons as follows :

-1st : clearing up adds during 2nd boss fight. mage did it when he thought that the adds was getting too overwhelming for him to clear.
-2nd - 5th : put it down on top of the Rift Lords for Wave 14-17. Helps to take down the adds + Rift Lord faster. our previous mistake was thinking that the adds were the problem. it was the Rift Lords and our pew pew pew.

shield took a beating while we all drank and ate food.

mage did mention that when he was with another group, they had so much DPS power that at most times, they were 4-manning it. when DPS is strong, he has to take down 3-4 adds.

tank also started using shield block more. but he did mention that when he was kiting the boss, the debuffs came more often since he couldn't block it. so in the end, he stood still and block when he saw the debuff about to be casted.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 10 2007, 08:39 AM

since in majority black morass is a dps fight, might wanna slip in either a shaman for totem buff, or paladin for blessing, and pair it with a rogue or hunter. that said, both pala and sham can buff up caster dps pretty decently too. for the debuff casting thingy, a trick is to also intervene someone before its being casted, then back to boss

but if ur dps good, dont really have to care. most groups including mine just ignore the adds and rush down the boss... medivh can take some beating for all his whinings lol

it's the DPS. hunters, sigh. when they're good, they're very very good. when not, it's hard for them to take suggestions.

it was also getting to the point that i was "screaming" at guildies to get out better DPS coz it's either they do that or i let them die. simple.

if you dps hard enough for the second boss, he will stop casting the debuff one


@kidicarus salty popcorn nice lei!

he still still cast lol, just that he die faster, less debuffs being casted

He'll also deep breath less if you kite him to vael's room xD

True story.

i heard he deep breath a lot more too after patch

didnt saw ur post kidi

This post has been edited by xiaosin: Apr 10 2007, 10:52 AM

i cannot vouch on that deep breath thing. only started black morass recently. ><

sorry rogues only come out dps on top in like 2 out of 10 fights htese days and on bosses with 0 armor and high spell resists... get your facts straight dude, unless of course u count trash mobs as well. dps fights will heavily rely on your locks first, shadow priests 2nd and mages third. rogues are taken in only on certain fights based on the criterias i have mentioned. so unless you're adding trash mobs to your dps meters, then by all means do that, cos trash mobs do enrage after 2 mins of not killing them amiright? go spew more shit from your mouth dude... and mutilates are just big numbers, no constant and long run dps... gluck with your mentality on further bosses. maybe you should just stick to 5 mans.

myremi..... only onyxia does deep breath la...


i'm afraid i have to agree with sets84 here.... even flasked up rogues is having hard time topping dps meters

cut them some slack, the hunters really have it bad this time around. their dps cant really compare to pre tbc no matter how hard they try. the hunters in my guild even spam fel mana pots for the mana to dps. it's a sad fact but u still need hunters for raids later on. they help in threat boost in fights where u need offtanks and also complicated pulls.

yeah, i know i should. just extremely frustrated at other classes lately and by coincidence, it was a pug hunter that screwed up one of my BM runs. so i am ranting more than my fair share, unfortunately and my frustrations at pug hunters in general is getting to me. i've no problems with skilled hunters.

the scary bit is that it's making me more cynical and more critical of players to the point that i'm namecalling pugs in-game when it happens. patience is running out on players not trying out the various spells that is in their spellbook.

but i guess it also boils down to having someone whom one can ask for advice and help on how to L2P. although for a lot of people out there, they seem to have problems even starting to ask for help so they remain in the same gameplay-mode that they currently have. i suppose it's the fear of being ridiculed or some find it hard to accept a different mode of gameplay. e.g. many cannot tolerate a pally tanking because they don't know how to deal with the instance situation with a pally tanking.

Yeah but rogues are getting a buff soon I heard/read.

Just did BM a couple of hours ago. With a good group it's actually very easy, the beacon wasn't necessary lol but we used it anyway on the last 5 rifts. But to find a good group then, I think that's a tricky one hehe.

sorry that you run with crappy rogues all the time. we dont need 0 armor targets when theres always warrior to sunder armor or the rogue themselves using expose armor if we get druid tanks. you should get YOUR fact straight instead. considering how you love so much to drag other people's peens into your mouth and flare around with it.

and its the exact opposite, rogues excel more on boss fights, not trashmobs, mages and locks on the other hand would do better in that department, especially mages. and mutilates are actually just 30% of my total dps, the majority come from my white dmg which is around 40-50%, go ahead and puke out more BS when you dont even know how rogue works. i salute you on being a complete retard in this.

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Added on April 10, 2007, 7:45 pmi cannot tolerate pally tanking simply because their mana isnt unlimited. i will save my opinions for pally tanks in raids and stuff beyond 5man, but for 5 man, no thanks.

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Added on April 10, 2007, 7:46 pmrogues arent getting a buff and certainly dont need a buff.

what is being changed is how melee dps works in raid so they wont be too stressful to the healers/themselves by constantly taking a crap ton of dmg.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 10 2007, 07:46 PM

lol bring more rogues to gruul lair ..lol .. more wipings ..~!

thats where next patch comes in, and no one is claiming to bring more rogues to anywhere.