this is more than enough to prove you have no credibility in the shit you spew.

what you said above is more than enough to prove you being a sub-par player, and needless to say, utterly lacking the slightess bit of credibility of the vomit you puke out.

actually mages and locks do NOT excel on trash mobs , except maybe aoe situations
for locks , not including destro locks , actually require their dots to last the full duration as well as 5/5 shadow weaving and imp. shadowbolt proc to be up on a mob to achieve maximum efficiency , which by that time a trash mob is usually dead or close to
same for mages , 5/5 imp scorch yada yada except mages have molten fury , which is extra dmg at 20% , and trash mobs at 20% dont tend to have much hp left anyway

and for the record , no - nihilum does not have rogues top damage meters often
except for maybe hydross , it is usually a lock/spriest and occasionally mage on top
personally , my guild has only just started ssc , and i can assure you that no way a rogue will top any encounter pre-ssc , be it magtheridon /gruul /doomwalker / kazzak ..unless you mean karazhan... which any decent lock+spriest should be able to top anyway

Since this thread has become an e-peen flexing contest.. and the original black morass question answered, any more claims about dps, utility or omgwtfbbqpwness has to be accompanied by a screenshot... or it didn't happen.

Otherwise, this thread is now about about trains. Discuss.

Choo choo!

last night gruul's lair our ench shaman got top 1 dps. tru story

and i dont like trains

this is how nihilum's damage meters look like
the picture was originally posted to show how hunters in their raids generally do , but looking at the picture shows who usually tops the damage meters

This post has been edited by Heemee: Apr 12 2007, 12:28 PM

ummm you need to place them in context.. that's damage done rather than dps.. and over which encounter.

Funnily enough rogues top the damage meters in 2 of the charts Cloze and Epi.

Besides... that's nihilum.. what does their e-peen have to do with your e-peen?

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 12 2007, 12:25 PM

my bad , i meant damage meters
and this is not stroking any epeen , just proving a point that rogues do not top most of the dmg meters as previously believed

agree. according to those damage meters

1. locks
2. rogues
3. mages

i think rogues will probably be tops in dps with static bosses, but as with quite a lot of bosses in kara which requires shifting, moving around, locks + shadow priest combo tend to be top.. not sure about gruul but i think works the same for maulgar, range dps caster will be higher (and assuming all are spec for full pve damage)

you stole my words out of my mouth, i hate you.

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Added on April 12, 2007, 4:32 pmthat is true, since pve rogues rely mostly on auto atks, which requires targets to not move around (or the rogue to move around)

at the same time, rogues depend heavily on combo points, so fights which requires the rogues to switch target a lot, (kara moroes would come to note) the rogue will no longer be able to top the meter. and a warlock > me on moroes' meter

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 12 2007, 04:32 PM

Mages + Locks + SPs + ele shamans = i do feel bad for rogues sometimes. Ur energy limits you, Their mana is practically infinite with a good high dmg sp in the group. Each fight varies dependant on the boss but given if its a just a static tank n spank boss with both casters and melee having optimal groups, casters definitely go the extra mile cos of ur limitation of energy and their endless mana from the insane SP.

energy usually isnt a limiting factor, as our main dmg comes from auto atk, and auto atk requires nothing. if anything, pure combat rogues have combat potency anyways lol

And i'm very sure below those warlocks are shadow priests. This is just an example of how the dps shows on some of their raid encounters. you cannot just classify it as warlocks > rogues > mages in that order. Do you know bm hunters rule the dps charts on magtheridon. so if they included a magtheridon fight in there would you classify it as warlocks > rogues > hunters > mages.

as i have mentioned earlier, there are some bosses where rogues come out on top. maybe 1 or 2 out of 10? and whose talking about stroking e-peens? we are just stating facts in which your friend here could not accept. we are using end game statistics as comparison. sure i may use my raid statistics, but i feel that it holds no ground. some of you guys might say "your players need to l2p" etc. as i have said, bosses now are based on a 10 min timer enrage mode where after that it would wipe out your entire raid party. till the time where your locks mages and shadow priests could not top dps, your raid will probably meet a cockblock on the 25 man raids. its a sad fact, but its true.

and Q : you amaze me with your stupidity to no end. AFF warlocks = dps kings. Destroy locks = e-peen strokers looking out for big numbers, much like your muti rogue. if you're a real guild leader, you seriously should sort things out. if not... yeah maybe go on pvping for the rest of your wow career. always remember in a raid, when 1 person's contribution slacks, 24 others have to cover it.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 13 2007, 11:24 AM

lol

did i argued anything about warlocks? and if you dont know how mutilate functions alongside with combat, seriously, just stop it, ur the one thats making a fool out of yourself as ive said countless time. if anything, combat mutilate will never boast big numbers, and their main source of dmg is not from mutilating. only sub mutilate (for pvp) boast big mutilating numbers. if you cant accept that, your call. and as i said, i can respec to pve and pvp np, i got the gold. dont see a prob in that. and again, im the top dps of my guild runs 99% of the time, some even top it by far over 2nd place dps, so i dont think im the one slacking, nor do my guildies whom i trust.

dunno what you 2 fighting about, from my experience, my guild downed aran last week...rogues have no chance of getting in the top dps spots

its either our locks or mages. And our rogues are very good, on normal heroic runs, eg mechanar, they can easily top the dps charts, but not in kara

at the end of the day its still someone else's experience right?

imo its still dependant on the fight, gear, talent, and how the said player ultilizes the talent. pre tbc and post tbc its still fair ground for dps competition, though pre tbc its pretty much rogue dominant, post tbc things are much more even for classes such as lock/mage and most notably shadow priests.

while early stages of tbc things may be much more in favor for the casters, but as gear scales higher, the balance should tip back to the rogue's favor as melee/physical gear scales much better than caster gears.

probably difference in strat i guess. My guild rogues alwaz top the aran fight, they can go all out n only have to kick the 1 spell. Lock have to banish n fear, mage have to move around cos of blizzard. I guess topping the meters also heavily relies on how the group is stacked up i.e enh shammy,warrior,rogue,hunter,feral druid against a ele shammy,lock,shadow priest,mage etc. I'm happy so long there's alot of dps goin around.

im happy when people actually shows up to raid

We did Black Morass yesterday and really kicked butt. However, we noticed something odd, for some strange reason, whenever we used the beacon, the dragon will either NOT appear at all or will appear and then disappear immediately.

Strange...