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post Jul 26 2017, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 01:45 PM)
Sorry I don't understand your connection.

What I understand about TS is his August cam require power to run. The August cam is all in 1 doorbell. The August Cam is wifi to router and to TS phone.

So no chime or doorbell switch. Not require at all.

The connection will be

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the outdoor => the August cam.

Hope not kill him.  tongue.gif
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post Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM

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OK - After a few weeks I finally got the thing done, pretty much DIY due to, again, lack of electrician wanting to pick up the job (Probably too small job and too far or something). One electrician quoted me, then after agreeing to a RM170 rate (his proposal), no-showed on the day itself.

Anyway, I ended up doing it DIY, although the current setup still needs to be improved. This is how it looks right now:
user posted image on the inside
user posted image on the outside

The current setup works. The wiring up of the socket inside and the wires is easy enough. Need to find a cover to cover it though. On the outside, it is a bit challenging because the existing doorbell's panel cannot be reused, and the power cable is inside it, so I had to buy a TV antenna panel, remove the socket so there's a small hole for me to pass through the power cable, and drill and lock the doorbell cam onto the TV antenna panel itself. The doorbell itself, as you can see from the photo, is smaller than a regular size panel, and the ledge behind it as well (used to angle the doorbell towards the door). The ledge's screws are not two on each side in the center like our panels, so I can't just screw it in directly, hence the need for the TV antenna panel so I can screw the ledge onto the panel board.

After the initial charging (takes awhile - I charged it for about an hour before it would work properly), connected it to WiFi, and it works great! Whenever the doorbell is pressed, I get a notification on my phone in around 5-6s, and can accept it to connect to the camera to see the video live. At any point I can also use the camera as a CCTV of sorts to see the video live through the app. There is a motion detection recording feature which is alright so far but seems not sensitive enough - sometimes it does not trigger. Videos viewed, auto motion detected and if doorbell is pressed are all recorded and can be downloaded, although it does not stream the video 24/7 to their server like Nest's Dropcam does. Of course it also makes the August Smart Lock WiFi enabled - I can now see the status of the lock, control it (lock/unlock), get notifications/updates on it being locked and unlocked even manually as long as my phone has internet. Amazingly, the feature which I thought would require it - adding a guest for a specific time period did not even require the doorbell installed - it can be done remotely with the August Smart Lock not needing internet or bluetooth connectivity at all - I was able to add guest passes any time without being at the unit even before installing the Doorbell Cam!

Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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post Aug 25 2017, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)

user posted image on the inside


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I would fire anyone with this kind of workmanship..
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post Aug 25 2017, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Aug 25 2017, 12:26 AM)
I would fire anyone with this kind of workmanship..
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Again, you didn't read and you continue to run your mouth.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)
Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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Congrats TS for getting this August doorbell working in the month of August.
Now you can focus on getting the setup looks neat and clean after functionality part of it settled.
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post Aug 25 2017, 08:58 AM

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1. you should install the doorbell higher up to cover the the tv plate and leave the bottom showing. that way hopefully cant see it jutting out at the bottom. now on top, it is obvious.
also why not remove all plates, and just cover the hole with the doorbell? glue the edges if you cant screw it down or fill the hole with putty filler with just the wires snaking out, double side tape the doorbell on top of that.

2. are you sure you can assign guest keys without the lock needing any internet or bluetooth and you are not at that location? i dont think so....somehow you must have overlook something.

3. can take pictures how the lock is installed? thanks

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TSHikaru
post Aug 25 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Aug 25 2017, 07:39 AM)
Congrats TS for getting this August doorbell working in the month of August.
Now you can focus on getting the setup looks neat and clean after functionality part of it settled.
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Yep, finally got it done! tongue.gif


QUOTE(idoblu @ Aug 25 2017, 08:58 AM)
1. you should install the doorbell higher up to cover the the tv plate and leave the bottom showing. that way hopefully cant see it jutting out at the bottom. now on top, it is obvious.
also why not remove all plates, and just cover the hole with the doorbell? glue the edges if you cant screw it down

2. are you sure you can assign guest keys without the lock needing any internet or bluetooth and you are not at that location? i dont think so....somehow you must have overlook something.

3. can take pictures how the lock is installed? thanks
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1. Actually it's pretty center of the plate. But perhaps the angle of that photo makes it look as if it's one sided, and the wedge which is installed to make the camera face towards the right. If I remove the plate entirely, the doorbell is too small for the box it's in, and can't mount it properly, as the mounting screws for the concealed box is horizontal in the center like this the wall conceal box in this photo:
user posted image
while the August's wedge mounting is:
user posted image
Not the red circled ones, but the two on the upper left and bottom right. Would be a bit weird and difficult to glue it fit.
Here's another angle of the doorbell cam installed:
user posted image
Anyway, yes, once I have more time I'll go out and find more options to figure this out to make it neater.

2. Yes, even before I had the doorbell cam installed, and when I'm in KL (My property is in Cyberjaya), I was able to assign guests on the go. That means I'm out of reach to the Bluetooth, and the smart lock was not yet connected to the internet. I was surprised as well, as the main purpose I wanted to install the doorbell cam was to be the internet gateway for the smart lock.

3. I will do that on my next visit to my property and post an update.

Cheers!

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post Oct 6 2017, 08:12 PM

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So glad I found this thread. Am Scratching my head about how to install my ring Pro, looks like the solution is right here. I was having issue finding electrician who is willing to help me figure out how to do it too. Most just do not want the hassle to figure it out.
Just ordered the power supply from RS. Hope with the instructions above I can get a electrician to do it for me.

Cheers!
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I do hope current doorbell wiring is same as above. Having a hard time removing the enclosure...
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post Nov 14 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 11:16 AM)
The instruction/manual is extremely bare and doesn't say anything except connect it. It's meant for the US market after all.
Already planning to pay to do hacking for this if required to. Been asking wireman around and no one would do it as they are unfamiliar.

Yes, kena import tax on the whole thing. I bought the set with the August Smart Lock, Doorbell Cam and Smart Keypad. Did not consider the Ring. Reason for it is for airbnb digital lock - so I can remotely deal with digital keys, unlock remotely and a physical keypad in case digital is not my guest's cup of tea.
I think that's right - the doorbell is just a switch. Again, my reason for using it is for Airbnb purposes - where it makes sense as my unit is in Cyberjaya and I'm located in KL. Remote unlock for guests, digital keys and keypad unlock all will make 24 hr check in useful.
Right now, I don't have an existing indoor chime unit. There are the wires:
user posted image
but I've not bought a unit yet.

Are you saying that I can buy a unit that has a transformer built in and then the switch would be 16-24V as it is a loop with the wire there? Any idea what kind of chime unit has that in Malaysia?

Thanks all for your input!
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hey let me know the outcome, i already ordered august emqrt door lock and.connect.for my airbnb unit in cyberjaya , I'm looking at this doorbell as well, have problem with ordering smart keypad though, amazon keeps cancelling my order
if this doorbell is working then i will order together with smart keypad, amazon has discount for both currently.

first i need to change door lock in my unit to deadbolt, already bought last night and i think it is doable tp DIY provided the smartlock indeed delivered to me this thursday as promised by amazon

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post Nov 14 2017, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 25 2017, 09:35 AM)
Yep, finally got it done!  tongue.gif
1. Actually it's pretty center of the plate. But perhaps the angle of that photo makes it look as if it's one sided, and the wedge which is installed to make the camera face towards the right. If I remove the plate entirely, the doorbell is too small for the box it's in, and can't mount it properly, as the mounting screws for the concealed box is horizontal in the center like this the wall conceal box in this photo:
user posted image
while the August's wedge mounting is:
user posted image
Not the red circled ones, but the two on the upper left and bottom right. Would be a bit weird and difficult to glue it fit.
Here's another angle of the doorbell cam installed:
user posted image
Anyway, yes, once I have more time I'll go out and find more options to figure this out to make it neater.

2. Yes, even before I had the doorbell cam installed, and when I'm in KL (My property is in Cyberjaya), I was able to assign guests on the go. That means I'm out of reach to the Bluetooth, and the smart lock was not yet connected to the internet. I was surprised as well, as the main purpose I wanted to install the doorbell cam was to be the internet gateway for the smart lock.

3. I will do that on my next visit to my property and post an update.

Cheers!
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i think there was an update which make it work.
either way to unlock the user must have internet connection right? everything must go through august server so the lock itself doesn't need to know which pin code is valid, authentication was done via app to august server, if it's valid, the app just send the command to smart lock to lock/unlock via bluetooth

the gateway purpose is for lock/unlock remotely as well as requirement for integrating with google assistant, alexa etc
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post Nov 14 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 14 2017, 02:49 PM)
i think there was an update which make it work.
either way to unlock the user must have internet connection right? everything must go through august server so the lock itself doesn't need to know which pin code is valid, authentication was done via app to august server, if it's valid, the app just send the command to smart lock to lock/unlock via bluetooth

the gateway purpose is for lock/unlock remotely as well as requirement for integrating with google assistant, alexa etc
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No, this is not what I mean
1. I did not have August Smart Doorbell installed at that point (Smart Doorbell = Gateway), connects Smart Lock to the Internet
2. I was not in Bluetooth range
3. I can add a guest as long as I have internet connectivity to the user list for the lock
4. The guest will need the internet connection to receive the virtual key. This can be done way before the check in time, for example, or anywhere with internet basically.
5. After receiving the virtual key, let's say the guest goes to the door, via Bluetooth can unlock the door directly through the virtual key. The guest does NOT need internet connectivity to unlock the door.
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post Nov 14 2017, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Nov 14 2017, 03:31 PM)
No, this is not what I mean
1. I did not have August Smart Doorbell installed at that point (Smart Doorbell = Gateway), connects Smart Lock to the Internet
2. I was not in Bluetooth range
3. I can add a guest as long as I have internet connectivity to the user list for the lock
4. The guest will need the internet connection to receive the virtual key. This can be done way before the check in time, for example, or anywhere with internet basically.
5. After receiving the virtual key, let's say the guest goes to the door, via Bluetooth can unlock the door directly through the virtual key. The guest does NOT need internet connectivity to unlock the door.
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are you sure does not need data to unlock the door? based on FAQ in their website, the phone must have data connection to unlock, of course unlocking part is done via bluetooth.
can you try off data then unlock?

i'm waiting for my august smart lock and connect to arrive on thursday, hopefully i manage to install the deadbolt on my own, other than that installing the smart lock itself should be easy. in the meantime i have to force my guests to use the app, worst case scenario if they are IT illiterate then i need to ask them to text me when they arrive and i will unlock the door for them and they can pick up the key inside the house.

amazon still cancelling my smart keypad order. i'm afraid the price will go back to RRP soon then i will not consider buying it.
right now doorbell pro is only USD139.99, USD60 discount. smart keypad USD60, i think RRP USD79 right?
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)
OK - After a few weeks I finally got the thing done, pretty much DIY due to, again, lack of electrician wanting to pick up the job (Probably too small job and too far or something). One electrician quoted me, then after agreeing to a RM170 rate (his proposal), no-showed on the day itself.

Anyway, I ended up doing it DIY, although the current setup still needs to be improved. This is how it looks right now:
user posted image on the inside
user posted image on the outside

The current setup works. The wiring up of the socket inside and the wires is easy enough. Need to find a cover to cover it though. On the outside, it is a bit challenging because the existing doorbell's panel cannot be reused, and the power cable is inside it, so I had to buy a TV antenna panel, remove the socket so there's a small hole for me to pass through the power cable, and drill and lock the doorbell cam onto the TV antenna panel itself. The doorbell itself, as you can see from the photo, is smaller than a regular size panel, and the ledge behind it as well (used to angle the doorbell towards the door). The ledge's screws are not two on each side in the center like our panels, so I can't just screw it in directly, hence the need for the TV antenna panel so I can screw the ledge onto the panel board.

After the initial charging (takes awhile - I charged it for about an hour before it would work properly), connected it to WiFi, and it works great! Whenever the doorbell is pressed, I get a notification on my phone in around 5-6s, and can accept it to connect to the camera to see the video live. At any point I can also use the camera as a CCTV of sorts to see the video live through the app. There is a motion detection recording feature which is alright so far but seems not sensitive enough - sometimes it does not trigger. Videos viewed, auto motion detected and if doorbell is pressed are all recorded and can be downloaded, although it does not stream the video 24/7 to their server like Nest's Dropcam does. Of course it also makes the August Smart Lock WiFi enabled - I can now see the status of the lock, control it (lock/unlock), get notifications/updates on it being locked and unlocked even manually as long as my phone has internet. Amazingly, the feature which I thought would require it - adding a guest for a specific time period did not even require the doorbell installed - it can be done remotely with the August Smart Lock not needing internet or bluetooth connectivity at all - I was able to add guest passes any time without being at the unit even before installing the Doorbell Cam!

Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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Hi Hikaru,
I am planning to buy the August Lock and Wifi bridge and maybe the door bell. Did u bought it through Amazon? How much was your tax duty?
Btw, is the door bell outdoor unit water proof? I plan to install in a landed house.
Pls advise.

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post Feb 9 2018, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Feb 9 2018, 09:40 AM)
Hi Hikaru,
I am planning to buy the August Lock and Wifi bridge and maybe the door bell. Did u bought it through Amazon? How much was your tax duty?
Btw, is the door bell outdoor unit water proof? I plan to install in a landed house.
Pls advise.
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I don't buy it through Amazon directly. Every month or so I've a shipment of items from the States, and it came in together. Don't think there was duty on it, maybe just GST 6%.

I highly doubt the outdoor unit is water proof. I would not recommend the door bell especially if you plan to put it outside - the reason being the connectivity to the WiFi and Bluetooth is extremely bad. Even when my smart lock is less than 1m away (seperated by the wall only) it constantly drops connectivity both to WiFi and bluetooth to the door bell. Also, seeing how it's mounted, I highly doubt it's waterproof (You install the bottom plate then after that snap on the top on it, and screw it locked under)
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Feb 9 2018, 09:58 AM)
I don't buy it through Amazon directly. Every month or so I've a shipment of items from the States, and it came in together. Don't think there was duty on it, maybe just GST 6%.

I highly doubt the outdoor unit is water proof. I would not recommend the door bell especially if you plan to put it outside - the reason being the connectivity to the WiFi and Bluetooth is extremely bad. Even when my smart lock is less than 1m away (seperated by the wall only) it constantly drops connectivity both to WiFi and bluetooth to the door bell. Also, seeing how it's mounted, I highly doubt it's waterproof (You install the bottom plate then after that snap on the top on it, and screw it locked under)
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oh ok.... i may need to have a casing then for the outdoor doorbell. So how the August door lock and the wifi bridge? can they sync instantly? whats your take on it so far?
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Hi Hikaru, your post is my saviour! Could you share with me which transformer you have purchased? I going to install exactly the same thing. And i have few questions below if you don't mind I ask. The thread is a bit long to read.

1. where should I install the transformer? between doorbell and power supply?
2. Is the transformer lasting? I heard some ppl comment that low quality transformer will kill the doorbell.

Thanks
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post May 12 2019, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 26 2017, 12:38 PM)
Bro Ozak,

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the switch => the chime

===========> adapter => wire to the chime (to close the circuit)..

" switch is between the adapter and the chime"

Wire the switch from the secondary coil of the transformer only.. The primary coil voltage will kill..
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I have chime inside and an existing doorbell outside. I have bought the same set from August, the final thing I wanted to integrate is the Doorbell Cam Pro.

If I understand it correctly,

The sequence in my case should be

AC supply --> existing chime --> transformer/adapter (step down to 24VAC) --> exit chime box --> August Doorbell Cam Pro --> enter chime box --> transformer/adapter (possible to step up again?) --> chime

And I need to change the chime to have the ding dong sounds if step up is not possible. if I need to change the chime, I need something that works with 16-24VAC just like the doorbell.

So, if I need a chime of 24VAC, the setup sequence is

AC supply -> transformer -> new chime -> doorbell -> new chime.

Im have a technician who is helping me on this. It has been ding dong for some days, I need a get a better understanding.

Many thanks


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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Feb 9 2018, 10:28 AM)
oh ok.... i may need to have a casing then for the outdoor doorbell. So how the August door lock and the wifi bridge? can they sync instantly?  whats your take on it so far?
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I can answer you on this. I have been using it for 2 months now, the smart lock and connector. It works good. The connector has to be real close to the smart lock. My setup is about 1 meter.
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QUOTE(maxChin @ May 12 2019, 11:49 AM)
I have chime inside and an existing doorbell outside. I have bought the same set from August, the final thing I wanted to integrate is the Doorbell Cam Pro.

If I understand it correctly,

The sequence in my case should be
 
AC supply --> existing chime --> transformer/adapter (step down to 24VAC)  --> exit chime box --> August Doorbell Cam Pro --> enter chime box --> transformer/adapter (possible to step up again?) --> chime

And I need to change the chime to have the ding dong sounds if step up is not possible. if I need to change the chime, I need something that works with 16-24VAC just like the doorbell.

So, if I need a chime of 24VAC, the setup sequence is

AC supply -> transformer -> new chime -> doorbell -> new chime.

Im have a technician who is helping me on this. It has been ding dong for some days, I need a get a better understanding.

Many thanks
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Hi, can share your setup and Solution?
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I have installed august doorbell cam pro on landed house (outside). It is extremely hot maybe like 60-70 celcius on cloudy day. Is this normal?

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