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voncrane
post Aug 3 2019, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Aug 3 2019, 04:52 PM)
My reply in bold ya... not trying to argue with you, just try to stay neutral.
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Thanks for finding the videos and nah, we just exchanging ideas to help others make better choices. Seeing as we've made ours and have loved with em for awhile.. smile.gif .. Now, I could have pulled up other videos that shows the CX-5 trumps. But won't as then, it'd be simply arguing.. Hate to have to burst your bubble.. That was an AWD and sure slower on the average solid tarmac road. Why? Partly because that extra traction comes at a cost. A cost that includes extra weight AND power loss as it tries to "manage and overdo" things, than simply accelerate with good tyres on a good road. Now I don't know much about cars, engines, etc all. But I do know that Formula 1 cars aren't AWDs. And those guys, I reckon know a thing or 2 about going fast around a track. smile.gif

Lastly, since you can concede to this..
"Yes, I agree on your point on this. However, I am not a fast and furious guy, CRV is enough for me at the moment. Definitely would consider a diesel turbo in the future, provided EVs hasn't become popular in maybe another 5 years."

Ends it all.. As you've agreed to the same thing I've consistently mentioned. The CX-5 not only drives and feels better, the diesel turbo greatly assists there too. So for those who want similar? Definitely test drive it first and if it's not for you? Sure.. Move along... Some don't like the diesel factor. Well, there's a 2.5 petrol turbo incoming.. Just as I didn't know till I test drove an even more powerful car.. Similarly, one doesn't know what they are missing out on unless they've had a taste.
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post Aug 4 2019, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(hayenadeblue @ Aug 4 2019, 05:14 PM)
Many thanks to l2k and voncrane for the replies. Both of you are like my gurus here in Lowyat.net in choosing CR-V and CX-5. I love both SUVs and each have its own advantageous. I'm not discussing the size, comfort (for both SUVs) or availability of Euro5 (for CX-5 2.2D and I'm in Penang, btw), although I have a few very small issues on each SUVs. However, I appreciate both of you for showing mature attitude in discussing both SUVs. Coating is from other forumer so I will not respond on that.

I do appreciate the comments on the performance of each SUVs and I will try to comment back.

I have a Proton car with CVT (Punch CVT to be exact, and it is know for its sluggish performance), used to drive the current Jazz (CVT) and my test drive experience with the latest CR-V is just on slow traffic experience. I still haven't found suitable time and dealers to test for highway driving experience.
I have no doubt about CVT performance (Proton, Honda, Toyota or any manufacturers) on situation like climbing Genting or even worst, driving towards the border at Wang Kelian at some hilly place. Even in Proton, as you said, the CVT just keep the engine in the sufficient power band and I have no issue. Thanks for your respond about the paddle shifter. Appreciate it. This makes me want to test drive CR-V more.
You are my big influence towards CX-5, bro. He he. Even though the example that you gave here is too extreme (110 to 180 km/h), I can feel that any SUV (CX-5 or CR-V, both 2WD) that can accelerate faster, will win my heart. He he.
Appreciate the videos but in addition to the latest comment by voncrane, the 2WD and AWD will give some differences due to weight. I don't want to comment on that. However, to find the acceleration from 110 to 180 km/h for both SUVs, both videos cannot be used. We need to maintain the speed at 110 km/h then press hard (and floor) the accelerator on both SUVs until 180 km/h. By doing this, the car will be at optimum gear (or ratio for CR-V) at 110 km/h and accelerating from this speed will make the TCU find suitable gear (or ratio) first before accelerate. It is interesting to see comparison for 2.5 Turbo CX-5 with 220hp that will be released soon.
You can give the videos about the CX-5 in the CX-5 thread.

I am happy to have both of you to have this mature conversation on both SUVs even though we are in the CR-V thread. I really appreciate it. This is what we should do. Many thanks to l2k and voncrane. l2k, I really appreciate your continuous review on the Honda Sensing.
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You are much welcome. It's a forum.. Tis what forums are made for...I understand it's a significant purchase but try not to think too much (Yeah easier said than done..haha). Both are far from perfect. Just try to get the one that gives you as much as you require as stock. What you can retrofit later to make complete? Do it.. Then relax and enjoy the ride.

Regarding test driving.. IMO, I've learnt to vote with my money as a consumer. As long as you are a serious buyer, politely request for an extended text drive. If the dealership or SA is unwilling.. Walk away and find another..It's your hard-earned money to spend. You aren't there to beg... But first, take your time and go over the vehicles. Draw up relevant (possibly daily) scenarios and check them off the list while viewing the vehicles in the showroom and later when test driving. This helps a lot with the decision making. As then, you can easily see places you can compromise and others that are an absolute NO.. I'd wish you luck, but we know luck has nothing to do with choosing between the 2.. laugh.gif
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post Aug 7 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Aug 5 2019, 04:32 PM)
I knew it was an AWD in the video, but I would recommend that if anyone that is considering CX5 2.2D, he/she should go for AWD instead of the FWD. I think with 400+ish Nm of torque in command from low bottom, I will argue that if the FWD can bring out the full potential with ESP constantly kicking in.

My point of diesel turbo could potentially drive better is more on the effortless perspective, due to the huge torque from low rpm on tap for effortless acceleration especially on sloppy area. However, this doesn't immediately translate to diesel turbo is definitely faster than petrol turbo. I will agree that turbo diesel is a more efficient engine than turbo petrol, that's for sure.

Still, I would like to stick with data. I know I don't have video and such, but I don't have time to dig them out, I think plenty of automaker reviewer has tested the acceleration anyway.

2.2-gls-skyactiv-d-2wd-2018
2.2-gls-skyactiv-d-awd-2018
1.5tc-2wd-2018

9.1s vs 9.5s vs 8.8s for 0-100km/h figure.

Let me stress again, I do think diesel turbo could accelerate effortlessly with light tap on the paddle. So in a rolling start condition, I can imagine petrol turbo would need some time to catch up during the initial few seconds on acceleration. However, diesel turbo loses out in the high power area (high RPM) due to diesel engine is inherantly heavier with more rugged component, stroke distance is longer, thus limiting its power making ability.
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As a daily fwd driver on mostly city roads/highway.. I can tell for a fact.. the AWD is not needed.. Notice even Mazda themselves are phasing it out. I have never one day experienced wheel spin.. Yet, I can peel away from the toll gate or traffic light and leave all behind effortlessly...(okay, not all lar.. also got folks with more powerful engines out there.. we race sikit, then brake.. Can catch or maintain speed with a surprise) all without having to breach 3K - 4K RPM. 4K RPM+ being really flat kickdown and hold.. Similarly going uphill.. There's no loss in power delivery especially on the highways.. Car just chugs on and on and on.. You said it yourself above.. Rolling start la, bla bla.. When I want to overtake or perform sudden evasive maneuvers.. I have 100% confidence that the engine and handling WILL match me throttle press for press, steering turn for turn.. No lag.. no hesistance.. nthg.. just pull, shift, swerve and keep going where I want it to... just push it and it's done. Hence my stance.. Want a driver's car? The answer is unmistakable.. Want a somewhat okay-ish car that can carry more stuff & care about RV (somewhat)? Get the CRV. I'll reiterate, the CRV is not a slow car. It's just not the best in comparison WHERE driving dynamics and handling is concerned..

QUOTE(l2k @ Aug 5 2019, 04:40 PM)
A bit more experience to share. As I gained more experience with all these driving assists stuff, I think there is a small "flaw" not particularly in Honda Sensing, but in general, all adaptive cruise control. It tends to leave quite a big safety distance from the front car (the distance is correlated to speed for Honda sensing, and it has 4 setting to adjust, but even with closest setting, it does have some gap). In Malaysia, unfortunately we have too many fast and furious wannabe in the highway that when they see a gap, they will immediately cut in and what happens next is the adaptive cruise control will trigger and brake the car. What this means is adaptive cruise control is actually less desirable in moderate-heavy traffic condition. Other than this, Low Speed Follow has been excellent as a stress release tool in traffic jam, except it is overly sensitive in throttle and braking occasionally (Human knows how to cruise and brake, software is not that intelligent). I can imagine this will be improved in the future with AI and deep learning, 5G connectivity with car to car communication, but this is out of scope for this discussion.
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This one is mentality problem.. What to do.. All the Assists won't help and it's not safe (for now) to allow cars to almost tailgate other cars in front. Perhaps in the future when cars can communicate amongst themselves.. not unlike how Network routers maintain a steady flow.. Then we can zip around on full automated drives, without worrying (much) about others manually disrupting the flow. For now, as you say... Better to rely on manual driving and or be ready to completely take over in a second to avoid an accident. Actually, the reason you pointed out, was one of which made me end up realizing I can do away with Honda Sensing for now. Volvo and Tesla's would be my minimum benchmarks.

QUOTE(l2k @ Aug 5 2019, 05:14 PM)
Let's go slightly more technical and compare to both hp/torque curve of 2.2D and 1.5T.

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/20...-d_175_awd.html
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/20...bo_awd_cvt.html

Notice how 2.2D tops @ 2000rpm and quickly goes down to about 240nm @ 5000rpm. 1.5T on the other hand maintains 240nm to 5500rpm and starts to decrease from there. It means at high RPM region, petrol engine still able to maintain its torque and thus, due to the equation, produces more HP.

Again, this is just a chart, it doesn't imply which is faster or slower. Just want to stress my point that diesel turbo is effortless in acceleration in low rpm but when comes to pedal to metal condition, petrol will not lose out. So goes back to the scenario where there from 180km/h suddenly drops down to 110km/h, indeed diesel could gain back speed for first few seconds intiially, but petrol will catch up. Honda's CVT as I mentioned earlier, tends to "downshift" pretty quickly, coupled with peddle shift, could offset some disadvantage.
Apologize to CRV owners or potential future owners here as I think I goes a bit off topic already..  doh.gif
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I'd like to first apologize for not bothering to visit the links to more videos. I saw plenty during my research over a 2 year period.. Some here can attest to my hesitance back then. Head over heart.. The heart won in the end. Minus a few kinks? She's a good lad. My message above sums it up.. No need think so much.. Really, take your CRV (reason I say this is that the driving feel is still fresh) and head down to a show room.. Grab a 2.2D FWD.. hit the highway with a couple turns .. ups and downs.. Maybe even do a Genting run.. Etc.. which experts have already done.. The experience you'll have will be sufficient to settle this for you.. No need to apologize all. Both cars are good in their respective departments. Just like I can't argue against the space advantage (fact), mazda's diesel turbo, NVH and driving dynamics is simply no match for the CRV. This is fact. We can agree to disagree.. I can respect that..no biggie.. I'm just here to mingle as a fan. Still a Honda boy. notworthy.gif

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post Oct 14 2019, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(RDPD @ Oct 13 2019, 11:10 AM)
Just bought CRV.

May i know anyone tested Anrdoid Auto with new CRV?
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Plenty... It's old news.. Congrats on your new ride.. tongue.gif
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post Jul 22 2020, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(jtan222333 @ Jul 20 2020, 09:58 PM)

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Lemon unit perhaps? I can’t tell you what’s wrong with the car. But I strongly suggest that you request for a temporary replacement vehicle while they do a deep inspection and testing of your car. Hopefully, they find the root cause and fix it or swap out enough parts with new ones until the issue is resolved and for long term. I feel your pain. console.gif
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post Jul 22 2020, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Old1030 @ Jul 22 2020, 08:07 AM)
I received my 2.0 CRV last week and took for highway drive from KL to Ipoh, the tire make humming noise at 70km/h and above,,
Tire manufacturing date is 0820, probably keras already.

What tire do you guys recommend or should i call for warranty
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Manufacturing date is in the future? tongue.gif .. I kid, even if the manufacturing date is August 2019, BUT the tires were brand new, it should still be good to drive la.. My Toyo Proxies from 2017/18, still okay today. Although, by year end at the latest, I have to swap all four out for new ones sweat.gif .. What tire brand and model is yours? Probably factory defect and they were just slapped on...It happens.. IIRC, humming noises from tires would indicate an uneven wear and tear, especially if one's tires were just rotated after so long of not or never been rotated. I'm over 50K km and religiously rotate (X style) every 10K km. All evening out nicely and together. Yours, being "brand new" should not have these issues. So yes.. take them back and request they fit you with newer tires. It's a new car. Should come with new SAFE TO DRIVE tires.. Make sure to stress the last bit to them. You could really get hurt or hurt others with bad or poorly installed tires. I don't joke with em. Only contact from car to road. Check a couple times to be sure before heading back to Honda though.
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post Jul 22 2020, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Old1030 @ Jul 22 2020, 01:09 PM)
The first 2 digit is numbers of week
So it's month of Feb

The tire brand is Goodyear
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Ah noted..Interpreted date wrongly.. Earlier suggestion remains the same though. Confirm it's a regular thing and complain accordingly.
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post Jul 25 2020, 03:36 AM

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QUOTE(Old1030 @ Jul 22 2020, 04:56 PM)
Hahaha
Noted will do accordingly
The tires exact brand is Goodyear Efficient Grip
My mistake not saying that the number that i took 0820 is from the tire itself
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It’s all good fam.. More importantly is to get the car and tires up and running properly.. So can vroom.. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 26 2020, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Old1030 @ Jul 25 2020, 01:17 PM)
Anyone here wrap their CRV with PPF?

Getting quoteRM3.5k for full front part,, is it worth it wrap?
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Double check the PPF quality to ensure it’s goofing stuff. Otherwise, for full frontal including side mirrors? Price sounds about right for the really good stuff. As for if it’s worth? You only can answer. I chose not to wrap or heck even coat my ride. Why? Cuz the cost to do those is dangerously close to or can respray the entire car in a couple years. I’ve primarily daily driven in KV for over a decade and what driving here has taught me is that... Bird shit or Stone chips aren’t problems.. Getting swiped by errant motorcycle riders and cars is the bigger problem. Neither of which coating nor PPF will protect against. So I rather keep my money to professionally respray and look all new again in say 5 years.

Different advice though if your car’s the Mazda CX-5 with SRC paint or any White/Whitish coloured paint? Then yes, I would advise coating & a good PPF. To protect the red & white.
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post Jul 26 2020, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Old1030 @ Jul 26 2020, 09:42 AM)
PPF brand is XPel
Yep, i have the same thought
Probably if i lucky enough to own a Ferrari in the future then i will PPF my car
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Haha.. Of course, much nicer rides that most probably won’t be daily driven should be kept well maintained, and that includes full body work up.. Not just the frontal part.. Can’t have a “Showroom Car” at home without maintaining the showroom-ness. biggrin.gif

But that’s just my opinion towards PPF after much deliberation. I actually almost got one.. Under RM2K I think. XPel seems good stuff.

QUOTE(cerberus90 @ Jul 26 2020, 07:58 PM)
Hi all. Im new here. Can i ask for you guys for opinions? Currently am contemplating between crv 1.5tc vs cx5 2.0 hi spec. Coming from 2016 civic tc (changing to suv now)

May i know from your point of view, what makes crv better than the cx5? I have test drove the crv but apparently unable to get a cx5 to test.

Thanks in advance.
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Hi, I came from a tuned FD1 that served well... TBH, I believe that both are built for people seeking different outcomes. I suggest you isolate my posts to see what I wrote about and was discussed back when I was in the exact same situation you are now.. You should gain more insights.. Nevertheless, here are some points..

*Looks..Both interior and exterior? CX-5 wins
*Power Delivery? Diesel or 2.5T? CX-5 wins.. But if 2.0? CRV wins.
*Driving feels & pleasure? Basically, which is the better driver’s car? CX-5 wins
*RV? CRV wins.
*Spaciousness and Practicality? CRV wins, hands down.
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post Aug 1 2020, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Jul 28 2020, 10:46 PM)
I saw an ad on URV?!?
Is it a crv replacement? Or a larger version of crv?
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It's definitely a slightly larger CRV and I gotta admit though, the side profile looks nicer.. Reminds of of Audi.. Unfortunately it appears to be a China only release. So don't expect it here anytime soon.

QUOTE(limyusiong @ Jul 29 2020, 08:41 AM)
how bout comparison with VW tiguan 1.4? not a fair comparison?
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Hmmm, depends.. Tiguan is also a nice car to drive. Some would even say it's a better handler than the CX-5. But over here? Badge and past owner's history pretty much kills it for most as an option. RV is definitely worst of all 3. Personally, I did try to go test drive it.. But 2 visits to separate showrooms (on different days) and none could provide a vehicle to test drive. So I went on to the others and struck it off my list. I've seen a few on the road and it does look handsome. Just no heart pulls. sweat.gif So yeah, unless it's one has a specific love for it? I wouldn't say it's a fair comparison in the Malaysian market. Made worse by the Proton X70..

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QUOTE(limyusiong @ Aug 2 2020, 08:08 AM)
Put aside RV, I believe the driving fun shall be there. Not sure anyone did the comparison before or not...price is bout the same as crv2.0
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QUOTE(limyusiong @ Aug 2 2020, 02:26 PM)
Nope. I do not have budget up to 200k.

Tiguan now is about same price with crv 2.0 if you are not aware. I still yet to decide, whether stay with sedan, or go to suv. If sedan, I might consider Passat elegance (~162k), or suv (it could be crv 2.0/1.5t 2wd, or Tiguan 1.4).

If possible. I try to manage within 140-145k...this narrow down my choice to crv 2.0 or Tiguan 1.4
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Hmm, I’m not aware of any proper comparisons.. Besides with such purchases, emotions towards the car definitely plays a strong part. So I suggest you test drive both or more, check things off your requirements list then simply get that which ticks the most boxes. For me and probably all SUV owners on here, we pretty much ruled out sedan as an option. Perhaps, start with that first.. Sedan or SUV.
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QUOTE(yruns1 @ Jan 23 2021, 07:57 PM)
How about the Honda sensing which I understood is better than the safety on cx5?
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Well, if Honda Sensing is a need. one wouldn't consider the CRV vs the CX-5.. You would just take the CRV as the clear winner...Although a few have successfully installed Mazda's MRCC feature.. As much as I loved Honda Sensing. I preferred the better driver's car and of course its looks. The CX-5 2.2D NA engine with 2 turbos is a different car to drive compared to the CRV 1.5T CVT+turbo. With the CX-5 I can choose to ride like a granny or kick-down to sprint ahead thanks to that low torque requirement. The CX-5 does have autonomous emergency braking. A feature that has undoubdtedly saved folks from rear-ending the car in front that suddenly brakes hard. This along with RCTA are excellent enough for me....for now. Next car, see how.
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QUOTE(chaukeng @ Dec 3 2021, 03:22 PM)
Anyone else bought the 2.0 base variant and feels satisfy with the engine performance? The 1.5tcp variant is abit over budget for me.

Also, the crv specs sheet seems to be abit outdated already compared to the new city or the coming new civic. Is it still a good buy now?

Test drive the car last week and love it instantly lol. But these two things are whats holding me back.
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Erm, I don't think you should be comparing the CRV with the Civic or even the City at all... Completely different use case scenarios.. sweat.gif .. Can only compare with the current CRV model with its specs or wait for the next version. New look & should have updated specs.

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