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 Against pirated games CD/DVD?, Government says No to Pirated CD/DVD!!

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SUSMatrix
post Apr 3 2007, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(king_kong @ Apr 2 2007, 12:07 PM)

in Singapore, i saw this anti-piracy campaign slogan: piracy kills creativity. simply put: do you see any good Jackie Chan or Chow Sing Chi or Chow Yun Fatt movies anymore? NO! it's because they got tired of making movies that don't pay their salary.
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Your analogy is sorta wrong here:

(1) Jackie Chan is old and has been having too much fun in Hollywood where the pay is good and the work is less. That's why you see all the shitty Jackie Chan Hollywood bombs the last few years. Without a good HK director like Stanley Tong (Police Story 3, possibly the best police story ever), Jackie Chan is not the Jackie of yesteryear already.
Anyway, he's too friggin old already, and he made too many shitty movies to smear his own image in the last few years.(while making mega bucks compared to HK salary, no doubt).

(2) Chow Sing Chi still makes great movies. Now that he's slowly moving to Hollywood, but the difference is, he do it on his own terms. His movies are still very much HK style with the backing of Hollywood production and budget. Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle are worthy films of it's genre. It just that he cuts down on quantity and stick to quality. Stephen Chow is also script writer/director/producer. So you can only expect a movie every few years. Thumbs up for Stephen Chow!

(3) Fatty Chow@Chow Yuen Fatt is also old and fat and not getting much jobs from Hollywood. So far his Hollywood movies are mostly forgetable. He may be big in HK but in the West, he's just a fat old Chinese guy trying to make a dent in the industry.
At least Jackie Chan and Jet Li have a niche market with their martial art skills. But CYF has nothing. In terms of acting, there are gazillion equal or better actors in the west. That's why you don't see him very often. I believe Pirates of the Carribean is his first appearance in a big budget Hollywood blockbuster movie. His previous movies, other than Anna and the King, are just too insignificant.

So really, piracy has nothing to do with those 3 fellas.
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post Apr 12 2007, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Naruki @ Apr 12 2007, 11:38 AM)
In US, I heard they have shops that rent out original games.  I wonder if it'll work here.

But I think people would just buy a pirated game rather than spending almost the same amount of money to just rent the game.
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I think it might work...with all LYP and now, even Digital Mall closed down. There's no more pirated games anymore except for a few more places which charge exorbitant price for pirated games...(ex: who wanna pay RM30 for 2 pirated DVD games? I don't! I'll rather spend another RM100 to buy ori!).

But of course, we'll rent it, duped it, crack it, and never ever need to rent the same title again....LOL.


Added on April 12, 2007, 11:55 am
QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 5 2007, 04:56 PM)
there are a few types of computer users in Malaysia

1) one is the type that would only buy original and could afford it.
2)one is the type that would prefer to use original and would try to get as many of their stuff original as possible
3) one is the type that would never get originals.

smile.gif perhaps there's 101 more others anyone else can come up with.

i personally find that it's good to always head for the direction of originals. i'm in class #2 btw. biggrin.gif
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I'm class 4.

4) one is the type that only get ori for games i like, if affordable. Other stuff just pirate and try for 30 minutes and throw. LOL.

I would like to support more ori, but given over standard of living and the 3.x price we have to pay extra for, you won't find me with a truckload of ori titles.


Added on April 12, 2007, 11:59 am
QUOTE(obefiend @ Apr 3 2007, 10:29 PM)
they are making dvd movies cheap now. 2 disc set for 69. thats good value for money instead of forking 100 plus a pop. i stop buying pirated dvd movies since the price drop.but games is a totally different issue. too expansive and i only buy 2-3 ori games per year. some games are buggy too.. to be honest i was glad i didnt buy ori splinter cell double agent.worst game ever in terms of bugs. and ubisoft didnt bother supplying patches after the first month!!
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Agreed. It would help if original games comes with money back guarantee like most store in the West. Here it's once touched consider sold. No refund, no guarantee!!!

Crap like SC:Double Agent isn't worth the RM5 for the pirated disc. I'm sure glad only pay RM5 for that!! LOL.

They should have at least a 14-days return policy to encourage more people to buy ori.



This post has been edited by Matrix: Apr 12 2007, 11:59 AM
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post Apr 12 2007, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 3 2007, 04:43 PM)
back in the mid 90s (yeah, when Dynamix and the rest were around) the games were around RM 50ish. i bought my the 1st C&C at less than a hundred bucks.

for the past 3 - 5 years, game prices haven't hiked that much. it's still around RM 100 - 140 range as usual. it's only the SPECIAL packaged versions that are priced higher.
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PC games yes. But console games cost much higher...i seriously wonder why!

Being mostly a console gamer, i find it very sad that most of the hot titles are ridiculously expensive like RM250 to RM350 or more. Back then there wasn't any software boutique. Even now, prices of some of the console games are slightly cheaper , but hot titles still expensive!!

Unlike console games, PC games have standard pricing even for hot titles. Crap titles will just drop to a lower price faster. smile.gif

Well, anyway, i don't have much time to play games nowadays and given up console gaming for good. (still got many backlogs of PS1 and PS2 games still uncompleted...ha-ha).


Added on April 12, 2007, 12:13 pm
QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Apr 12 2007, 12:07 PM)
I dont think that will work.Some people might just buy it and crack it within 14 days.Then,they exchange for another game.
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Of course you set a limit of exchange ler. If u see the same fella coming back 3 times already, of course cannot ler!!


Added on April 12, 2007, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(k!nex @ Apr 11 2007, 12:56 PM)
normally i only buy ori if the games can last me long.such as final fantasy and kingdom hearts series in ps2.wat for buy ori if the games finish so fast.example:

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dis is C&C3 kane edition.priced at 100++ bucks.within 24 hrs all the campaign is finished(without using any cheats and trainers) wherelse i need 3 months to finish my kingdom hearts.priced almost the same.dis is lack of replayability though some might argue tht games such as C&C got online multiplayer mode.streamyx has laggy speeds for most of m'sians.so its no fun playing it online also(thts y point of view).i rather go for mmorpg.i'm still waiting for ragnarok 2.
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Games like FF series are story driven and RPGs are not known to have replayability value. No matter how good the RPG is, nobody wih a life is crazy enuff to re-play another 30hours to 40hours (up to 70 hours!!) for the same story and RPG game again.

RTS games are not meant to last long, however there are skirmishes and mods and maps which is freely downloadable and you can always find a different strategy to beat the game again.

To this day, i'm still playing C&C:Generals and Zero Hours. And i don't even play online....i find it more satisfying to kill dumb AIs...LOL.

Right now still taking my time to complete the C&C 3 campaigns...and i don't think i'll bother to go online....still worth it to buy ori for C&C 3...it'll be another 3 or 4 years before another C&C release, so it'll be money well spent. No doubt, there'll be many mods and maps later from the large user base.

Who says no re-playability value??


This post has been edited by Matrix: Apr 12 2007, 12:25 PM
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post Apr 13 2007, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(phas3r @ Apr 13 2007, 04:04 AM)
RM10 = 1 game?
more than that.
this nfsmw pir4te dvd i own got all d series of NFS since nfs 1..
i act played, finished, n play nfs u2 over n over again just from the dvd of nfsmw
take the average pir4te dvd that have like 3 games per cd.. rm3.33 per game.. instead of rm130 per game..
plus ori games u haf to put cd everytime u wanna play..
i played football manager 2005 so much until i bought a FM2006 ori..but i didnt play it much...regret already..turn out i purchase another pirate dvd that have fm2006 as a bonus..sigh why shud i pay rm130 a game when i can pay rm10 for multiple games..
the richer ones can always buy the ori..just let it be
paying for ur food, bills, school fee or w/e crap is more important than spending rm100+ for a game
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Although i'm not 100% agree with ya, but i do agree putting food on the table etc etc, is more important than making rich companies like EA, UBISOFT etc. richer...America, Europe, Japan, Aus etc etc where currency and earning is high...they're already making money from there....so a little donation to the Asian community isn't so bad.

After all, the West has been making slaves from Africa, the Brits squandering money back to their country during the era of the British Empire for a few hundred years( plus minus). Thus, they're where they are today partly thanks to free forced labour of African and Asian countries. A little payback with some free games is therefore not a 100% evil. smile.gif

Furthermore, if there is ZERO piracy in this country, with police breathing down everyone's neck for a pirated copy of PacMan on their PC, most people would just give up gaming if the high price of ori soft remains as it is.(I don't see anyway the price can drop to RM50/RM60 range). I know i would.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Apr 13 2007, 09:14 AM
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post Apr 16 2007, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Eisenmeteor @ Apr 13 2007, 11:37 PM)
Dude,console game price tak ada 300 ++ la..Maybe the price in ur area is expensive,but the price u stated is too ridiculous..Can u state which console game that is available at that price?

I agree with the rest that as long as the currency rate still damn high government din do anything to solve these thing then Malaysia will end up as a Pirated Game heaven..
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Go to TSB. Lost Planet=RM299. RM1 i give u spend teh tarik. Most console games are RM2xx. Last time like RM300++ in Sg Wang many years ago, all the parallel imports.


Added on April 16, 2007, 12:45 pm
QUOTE(Kai Sheng @ Apr 15 2007, 11:00 AM)
Unfortunately for me... I face a problem in this when I bought my Tiberium Wars. Got scolded by my father for "wasting hundreds of money for something I can get with only RM20".

For him I would be better off buying a book for my study and only go for pirated stuff. Had a hard time explaining to him about the multiplayer feature.
But my father also think it is better to buy pirated movies rather than watch it on cinemas... the fuel to go there plus the ticket is more expensive than pirated sad.gif

Lucky me I bought it all using my own money... so my father can only '"advises" me...
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Don't complain about ur parents. And where's "your money" coming from? From ur parents handout to u no doubt. Ur parents work sweat and tears to educate you and feed you. Games (ori or otherwise) is the least of theri concern with all those monthly bills. If your parents can't afford ori games, neither can u. So don't complain the hands that feed you.

Of course, if ur parents driving merz and BMWs and still insisting on pirated goods, then another story ler... biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Matrix: Apr 16 2007, 12:45 PM
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post Apr 16 2007, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Kai Sheng @ Apr 16 2007, 01:47 PM)
If it's their money I will definitely abide by them and stop buying originals. It's not their money... it's your money... icon_rolleyes.gif the people of Malaysia's money. As a student I received a monthly allowance of around RM260 when at college and RM345 if I'm in holiday. I rarely received any money from my parents except for some special occasion in my college (maybe.. like camp or Cancer Relay for Life event)... and most of the stuff I'm using inside my computer (GC, RAM and so on) comes from my allowance as well. To be frank it is really not enough for our studies... but not when we are in holiday. Currently I'm in holiday until this July so I will have plenty of money to use on anything I wanted to... well unless if the government or the 'rakyat' (maybe you tongue.gif ) suddenly suspended the allowance I'm receiving because 'I'm not using it in the right way'.

But then... almost everyone here spend their money on more "meaningful" stuff like handphone  or just having fun. I wouldn't complain if it's just one handphone at one time... but most of them here spend their allowance buying two and three handphone at the same time... heck... I don't even have my own handphone.. only the one that my father gave me which is as big as your palm. You can even kill a dog by throwing it towards it's head... sweat.gif
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Talk big only. Who's the one supporting you before you go to college etc? Who's the one paying for ur milk powder and diapers while ur a kid? You're not even working. In short you have ZERO cents to ur name. And RM345 is nothing. "plenty of money"?? I don't think u got even enuff to eat ler. doh.gif See, you can't even afford a "brick phone" and have to depend on daddy for handout! And who's paying ur handphone bill? Not you i suppose.

If you're a dependent with no money, don't talk big... laugh.gif

 

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