Oh do tell what bonuses do you get with the pirated version that the original ones don't have? Is it that tiny sheet of paper that is created by the pirates themselves? Wow, I can't believe they're so creative!

Anyway, the issue about NFSMW has been beaten to death by other forumers here. What I'm interested in is this:
Based on your earlier point that pirated versions have more to offer and then you point out how the "Black" version of NFSW was released after the original, which is the version that has more stuff than the normal one, are you implying that the Black edition is the "special edition" made by pirates?

Wait, so you're so cheap that you can't even afford the pirated game DVDs? Man... you're cheap, but at least you don't support the pirates (Financially at least... I'm ignoring the other possibility for now)

If you've read any review of Stalker, I'm pretty sure every one of them points out that it is indeed buggy. If you had read those reviews, you would've known it was buggy and not waste your money on it.

But, instead, you get a pirated version and then have the audacity to b**** about the fact that its buggy and use that as ammo for not supporting originals.

Its like saying "Hey, since a Proton Wira has shoddy workmanship, its therefore perfectly fine for me to steal the car since they asked for it by doing a bad job"

*raises hand*

On "some" occasions at least, I bought a game usually based on the name alone, regardless of original exclusives and so forth.

Heh, I've stopped advocating the "100% ori" moto for awhile now as you tend to get a LOT of negative flak from warez users. This "Buy if you can" moto doesn't generate as much flak, but it certainly generates some other type of flak (Usually, the "You're a goddamned hypocrite" line)

Anyway, the point I was trying to make was, (In Reply to Hornet), not everyone will buy original games on the merits of features that are absent in the pirated version.

Jeffrey Ong (Former national swimmer) and Cyberwave?

Dude, that show came out in '96 or something. Syndicate came out in '93. You were buying a game which was at least 3 years old, hence the low price. Games around that time were in the RM 90- 130 region... Plus, you haven't factored in inflation.

Yes, its true that games are indeed more expensive now, but that was a few years ago when most games were in the RM 180+ region. That time is long gone now and most games are back in the RM 110-170 region.

Really? I would occasionally browse through game stores around 1995-96 and I could've sworn the prices were in the RM 75- RM 120 region. Well, maybe it was the place I go to (It was CompAsia. It used to be in Damansara Jaya)

Well, he's been complaining like mad about how buggy Stalker is in the Stalker thread. His first post mentions that he "can't say how he got it"

Regardless, his point was on how buggy games = no buy original.

Anyway, I have a friend in Aus and he's in the same boat as you.

He was quite annoyed that SupCom came out a couple of days AFTER he went back there, and so he paid much more for it there

This post has been edited by H@H@: Apr 3 2007, 08:16 PM

RM 100,000. Buy 1 sedan car or 10 stolen cars.

Which one you choose?

Game rentals for PC games are simply not feasible due to the nature of CD-keys.

The "uniqueness" of a game disc is tied with the CD-key and not the disc itself (Which is the case with console games) and that's why rental services for PC games do not exist.

For this reason as well, warranties are not applicable to PC games as well

alzert: You talking about Jumboplay? They're not as crap as you as their list of titles is pretty recent. Heck, sometimes they get them sooner than retail.

Please don't read my post out of context... My post was a counterpoint to some bugger's "RM100, buy 1 original game or 10 pirated games". I was merely addressing the point that is it right to get something that's stolen just because its cheaper.


Thank you for proving my point that the average Malaysian doesn't give a rat's ass about Intellectual Property.

Why buy original books? They're just letters strung together!
Why buy music albums? They're just notes put together!
Why buy movie DVDs? They're just pictures in motion!

You know what? From now on, if anyone wants to throw the "Ori is for rich people" argument around, I DEMAND to know what PC they are running and how they afforded it.

Hell, just the video card is enough (One could always argue that the processor and RAM are needed for work, but hardly any job needs a gaming video card) and even that will cost you at least RM 50-100+.

I'm sick and tired of ppl accusing ori users of being flamboyant rich ppl who are just showing off how much money they have. As others have shown, it IS possible to buy ori games even though you don't earn 5k a month.

The value of a game is NOT the price of the delivery medium. This is what pisses me off the most. Complete disregard for Intellectual Property.

IINM, awhile back (2003-2004), I saw GCN and Xbox games being sold at around RM 350 per game. PS2 games were in the RM 250 region.

Either way, its still way more expensive than PC games.

Quite a valid point, but unfortunately, does not apply to most of the ppl here... The pirated users here ARE the ones who actually go out and buy the pirated games THEMSELVES.

As for the parents, I go back to my original point on IP education. That seems to be the root of it all.

Saving money huh?

Why don't I stalk ppl who come out of Tesco with a cart full of groceries, beat them senseless, then take all their goods for myself?
Or maybe steal someone's credit card and use it to pay for my car's fuel?
Maybe I should open a fake clinic and give out fake medical advice. Don't need a medical degree so I can save money.

Hey, I'm just saving money... Who cares about all those ppl I'm stepping over just to get what *I* want. I mean, *I'm* the one that's important right?

I think this post pretty much sums up the average Malaysian attitude towards IP. All they care about is themselves, just so long as they can get away with it, with no thought about the effects or ramifications of their actions.

Well, I suppose this is so much better than the "I can't afford it" arguments, but it certainly paints a much less flattering image of yourself though.

He's talking about console games (Which don't have CD-keys). This could work with PC games, but you have to be VERY careful

Let's make this more interesting shall we?

How much to buy a PC? At least rm 1000 for something passable. OMG, THERE GOES YOUR WHOLE MONTH'S SALARY!!!

I mean, by that example you give, its as though you buy a new version of Windows and AV every month. Uh huh.

Actually, the "legal" way to justify this is with demos (Which more often than not, come out AFTER the preorder promotion ends)

Look, its a compromise. I'm not sure how they protect themselves financially by doing preorders as the only thing they gain is confirmed 1st day sales and nothing else. I'm actually VERY surprised that someone is doing something like this as there's no protection on the distributor's side. This deal is obviously meant for ppl who have already decided to buy the game, which is why these preorder deals only apply to sequels to hit franchises.

Uh-huh; So did that entire PC cost less than RM 120?

My point was, it is ridiculous to claim that one can not save up for a single game when they could buy a PC (Not individual components) which costs much, much more than an original game.

I did not make that statement to put the blame on ppl who DO in fact buy originals despite a very strict budget but not always (Such as yourself and me inclusive). I aimed that on those jocks who have no qualms putting down over RM 700 for a video card but cry "Its expensive!" for something that can fit into a single DVD and costs 1/7th of their video card.

Like all consumer items in the market now, the value of an item steadily drops over time. So, if you bought Need For Speed 3 about 10 years back, do know its "value" is probably around RM 30 or so around the time XP came out.

Why is it that most pirated proponents seem to believe that software does not count as a regular consumer item and thus is treated like freebies?

Besides, the game has requirements. Can't fault the makers for making a game that isn't future proof. Now, if they had released a game that wouldn't work on XP AFTER XP came out, then that's a different story.

Try to apply what you're saying to some guy who wants to mod his car... He'd probably never get around to do it since he'll probably end up changing his car in the future, thus making all his present mods useless. Or for a growing child... Why bother buying clothes that fit if they're gonna grow out of it later? Might as well buy clothes that are really huge or don't buy clothes at all!

I mean, if you really want to play it, you could always dual boot with an older version of Windows that you have OWNED before.

Ok, here's the deal... I'm feeling very generous today, so for those of you idiots who decided to promote warez instead of just discussing it, I'll give you guys 24 hours to edit your posts and remove whatever crap you guys decided to post.

Otherwise, 30 days off. If you're one of those who just post one liners here supporting the good ol' pirates and not care afterwards, then too bad for you.


This has been happening many many times before and has also been stated in the R&R for this subforum.

Discuss warez, not promote it.

Due to the nature of the PC system, it is practically impossible to have a game rental system which works. Currently, its not applicable because of CD-keys. Remove that, and game rental would effectively be like legalized piracy (Ppl "rent" games from you and copy it out ad infinium)

One of the surefire ways now for combating piracy is through pure online validation (Steam). Unfortunately, this erases the consumer's ability to resell games (Basically, no ownership transfer). I could see it working for rental though (You "rent" out Steam accounts) but again, that has a lot of strings attached.

I just don't see PC games rental as a viable alternative for the future.

I think the problem with our local market is that we are not actually getting the games directly, but via Singapore. Also, for some odd reason, MMOs are marginally higher priced than regular games.

I really don't care whether ppl want to pirate games anymore... I'm all about the "awareness" bit about caring for the developers, appreciating IP, etc.

I guess I'm getting old and am just naturally mellowing out.

I'm pretty sure indie developers think it is wrong as well... Do you actually listen to what you say?

Again, if you feel that corporations are being unfair by inflating the prices and being greedy, the right thing to do is to NOT buy AND play it. Pirating it just tells them that we're all a bunch of cheapskates who still love their stuff and are just pirating because we can. And thus they'll increase the DRMs on everything... That what you want?

This post has been edited by H@H@: Jan 16 2010, 05:15 PM

Then what about the indie devs then? Piracy is a global problem, not one affecting big companies only. What about them? There can't be a double standard.

And like I said, if you don't agree with a company, DON'T USE THEIR PRODUCT. Pirating it doesn't make you a freedom fighter... You're just a pirate.

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Added on January 16, 2010, 6:05 pmThen what about the indie devs then? Piracy is a global problem, not one affecting big companies only. What about them? There can't be a double standard.

And like I said, if you don't agree with a company, DON'T USE THEIR PRODUCT. Pirating it doesn't make you a freedom fighter... You're just a pirate.

This post has been edited by H@H@: Jan 16 2010, 06:05 PM