You know what I hate about pirates? Not only they do not feel ashamed for buying pirated software, and they somewhat feel its universally acceptable to do so. They give childish excuses for what they do when confronted, refusing to learn what dreadful consequences will emerge when they keep up their illegal practice. Some pirates feel proud on what they do, openly "supporting" piracy! This disgust me the most, as the shameless pirates are even bold enough to insult ori-supporters. Pirating software are FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG i feel frustratingly angry when pirates believed there's nothing to be ashamed of, continue to destroy my beloved gaming industry. For the love of anything still righteous, this forum actually does not welcome pirates here! How dare you pirates to show your face and spit your foul reasons here? Begone!

No it is not. It is dead wrong.

"Pirate games to punish game company being greedy" -- I guess it is an excellent excuse to pirate games, which make pirates feels proud when doing so.

No analogy can justify the act of piracy. Wrong is wrong, piracy is wrong no matter how we put it. When authorities fail to clearly define technical terms to distinguish lawfully right or wrong still does not mean piracy is morally acceptable.

P/S: you know what im kinda getting tired rebutting all the piracy talks. I firmly believe this board stand against piracy, and therefore we do not need any more arguments to minimize the negative impact of piracy. Trying to stand up for piracy and spread the wrong idea around the board...is not really in the spirit of this board.

We are gamers, we love playing games and we show respect to game developers by (financially) supporting them. There's a catch line in TSB, says True Gamer Plays Original, while it is cheesy but it really show how we gamer do our part in this industry, not giving excuses to enjoy the work of labor of game developers for nothing.

Abyssio signing off.

This post has been edited by Abyssio: Jan 16 2010, 04:09 PM

So your years of studies it comes to you that pirating is morally acceptable? Is it what you meant? I couldnt comprehend.
I dunno about corporate responsibility, but i do know that it is a consumer responsibility not to buy pirated goods.

Once in a blue moon a corporate catchline can make perfect sense.

Yes, recent bloom of indie devs shows many of them wanted to escape the clutches of evil corporation. But that doesnt stop their games being pirated. Sad.

Im glad you do not support piracy. Sure corporates are evil, but by "condoning" i feel you are giving the wrong idea like "we should pirate to show how corporates being greedy", which do no good to our beloved game industry.

p/s: i swear this is the last time i rebutt against piracy talks

This post has been edited by Abyssio: Jan 16 2010, 06:05 PM

Wow. this shows you are just a lowly pirate, with no less of evil than the greedy corporations. You have a believe that corporations are to be punished by pirating, you stick to that and that gives you all the reasons you need to commit piracy. Good for you.

And we can help the indie game developers by not pirating their work. It CAN be helped. We just need to stay away from piracy.

Yeah thats right. Game publisher "exploit" game developers, then its totally fine for consumer to "exploit" back at the game publisher. I guess that would really help the oppressed, and underpaid game developers by "exploiting" their game publisher. Awesome. How come i cannot see that.

Well it is game developer who chooses it's publisher, and it's not like every professionals are conscripted in the industry. It's their choice for a publisher, and to help the developers getting more appreciation then the only way to do is support their game. Not the other way around.

Oh btw, i dont dine at JCO (or Krespy Kreams lol), and i got my handphone from an authorized dealer. I have great respect for intellectual properties.

So you are saying that if gaming industry have enough suckers to fork out their hard earn money to buy their game so every other cheapskate can get the game for free? Wow that's a great mentality. Why don't everyone go and pirate every game they wanted? I wonder why anyone wants to be that sucker huh? How strange.

How could you compare business models with gaming piracy? Oh man how come you cannot tell the difference of copying a digital copy of an intellectual property and your "corporate espionage"?

Oh man this is so funny if you want to take this to the beginning of the big bang, ok not so early like the rest of the civillization stole the paper technology from the Egyptians back in 4000bc, or the blackpower technology from the chinese, or the words technique from Phoenician, or light bulb from thomas edison or....

i believe i made my point here, so it is really up to you to decide what really gaming piracy and "corporate espionage" is.

Yes, im giving my money to rich men because they put their money to good use, and develop an awesome game. I'm paying them as provide me a good entertainment, i respect that and they definitely deserve my money as i want them to develop more of the good game for me in the future. Hell they did a good job as game developer/publisher in the first place so thats why they get rich.

it is not a matter of why rich ppl need more money, it is the matter of a publisher and developer did a good job, and they deserve the money for making a great game. You ask me that why send aid to a rich man, and i there's my answer: they deserve it for the good job. But pirates, do not deserve to play a game he didnt work for. It is very simple, no? Do you give money to a kid that can work but decided to lay in bed all day? Now do you think it IS right to get something you didnt pay for? I bet you do.

Yes, so it seems that you do know time changes, and pre-capitalism piracy doesnt count as piracy. Good. Now things change even in modern times, and thus copying a digital copy of an intellectual property is now worlds different from "corporate piracy". Previously there are no such thing as gaming piracy. Like, well, there are no digital games yet. So new technology get introduced, thus new definition and new ideas.

Corporate piracy/espionage exist, and it is clearly WRONG. So it is up to the corporates to settle it between themselves, bringing it to court or whatever if they suspect any breach of intellectual property laws. This happens all the time. But there's time corporates get away with it, as sometimes authority fails to draw a clear line/or the victim does not choose to pursue their rights (humans are not perfect). Sadly, you took it like it is perfectly normal to pirate because corporates do so and got away!

Phew i hope i made myself clear this time.

edit: typo

This post has been edited by Abyssio: Jan 18 2010, 11:56 PM

Okay some games does not deserve 300 bucks, then ppl will stop buying it. That's cool. And of course you need to remember...ppl are not force to buy stuff from any game publisher, and they are happily being "exploited" as they trust in that company.

again your biased view on corporations (like corporation should only do charities, not business) makes you think all corporations are no good than pirates. If you read cheesenium's post, or pay more attention the gaming news around the forums you'll see not all corporations out there are trying to suck your soul dry.

Like i said, copying ideas among the industry is different from copying a digital copy from an intellectual properties. Sometime evil corporation tries to pattern a very general idea for purpose of monopoly, but when put to court the evil corporation lost (i remember that a corporation patterned MMO gaming...lol great stuff). Copying a digital game is not like trying to copy an idea. When copying a digital copy of intellectual property you are not just stealling a general idea. You are stealling a work where thousands of people put their hearts and soul to create masterpiece. A digital game cannot monopoly or "exploit" anyone. If you still cannot understand the difference between an idea, a pattern, or a video game then i sorry i have no more volcaburary in my brain to explain this. Maybe I just suck at explaining. Maybe a little bit of help here, from my fellow forum ppl?

Yes you can borrow your games to your friends, but if you choose to install the game you are subjected to all the fine prints imposed by the evil corporation. The uber long EULA is just for show? definately not. If you do accept the EULA then you agree to face the consequences. Its not like they force you to sign the EULA anyway.

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Added on January 19, 2010, 10:39 amYeah, if you think they dont deserve it then you dont purchase it. Thats completely normal. Its not like every gamer is a bloody video game addict that need to swallow up all the games out there in the market. But if you pirate it because you think they dont deserve it, then thats another story...nobody deserve anything for free. Geez i cant believe i need to quote myself again and again.

This post has been edited by Abyssio: Jan 19 2010, 10:39 AM

Hello again +3kk!

To make myself clear, you presented a few points why piracy is not wrong, or "morally grey"? i just wanna joint down your argument and so i can firmly debate them, to prevent me to drag on with my speeches too far away from the main issue. Therefore lets see what we have here, shall we?

Point 1:
You said corporates copy each other and the world is okay with it, therefore ppl should have no problem with gaming piracy. You also said that gaming piracy is the same as corporates copying each other, correct? if i misunderstood please point it out.

Point 2:
Gaming industry is in oligopoly state, so corporates are exploiting the general masses. Therefore when people pirating their stuff it is no problem at all as corporates already so wealthy from exploiting the gamers. You said that corporates can get away by exploiting the general masses so people should have no problem with piracy. Again if i misunderstood your point please enlighten me.

Point 3:
After reviewing your posts i found it all only goes to two points above. If i somehow missed an important point kindly joint it down for me please.

yeah i want a Nvidia GTX295 but i cannot afford for it. But i really want to play games using that graphic card. How can they charge the card so expensive? FFS why there's no pirated GTX295 around so i can use without have to pay? Why? WAAAAIIIIIII!!!!