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post Jul 9 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Jul 9 2017, 11:25 AM)
I won't too caught up with the power of point something second different, enjoy the car is most important. Seating position not suitable, cheapest+fastest+best quality also no use, back pain after long journey, not that young anymore.
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Hahaha... To shorten the journey must 200kmh all the way
I travel frm kl to penang since 1999
110kmh isn't an option... demmm back pain
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post Jul 9 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jul 9 2017, 09:53 AM)
Realistically speaking the Optima GT is not priced exorbitantly for a D-segment car of that power. We should be comparing with these cars:

Mazda 6 2.5L - RM195K (185HP)
Mazda 6 2.2L Diesel - RM203K (173HP)
Passat 1.8 TSI Comfortline - RM181K (178 HP)
Passat 2.0 TSI Highline - RM200K (217HP)
Ford Mondeo 2.0L Ecoboost - RM204K (237HP)
Peugeot 508 GT Diesel - RM202K (204 HP)
Peugeot 508 THP - RM175K (163HP)
Optima 2.0T GT - RM175K (242HP)

The Volvo V40 T5 isn't even D-segment so it cannot be compared.

So based on the above the Optima GT comes out with the highest engine power and the cheapest price. It's only fault is that it is a Korean car so buyers' perception is that it has no right to charge so much. But it is more reliable than a Conti car, is cheaper to maintain and has higher resale value.
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With Optima GT pricing, IMO, I would rather up a bit and get Passat 2.0 or go down slightly cheaper and get Camry Hybrid.


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post Jul 9 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 9 2017, 10:21 PM)
With Optima GT pricing, IMO, I would rather up a bit and get Passat 2.0 or go down slightly cheaper and get Camry Hybrid.
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If Passat better take seken 2-3yrs old with waranti... More value buy
Dun wan hybrid coz obj is power not save fuel

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post Jul 9 2017, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 9 2017, 10:21 PM)
With Optima GT pricing, IMO, I would rather up a bit and get Passat 2.0 or go down slightly cheaper and get Camry Hybrid.
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Then ask yourself what is priority in your mind. Your choices are a little polarised.

- You don't get comparable performance with the camry hybrid
- The passat is still 20k more expensive against the optima but at the same time slightly smaller interior against both the camry and the optima.
- The handling of the passat could have an edge, but overall NVH is on par to both

So for 200k, you're essentially getting a european version of a toyota camry. If the brand prestige is what you want, might as well look towards the A3 or BMW 1 series or the mercedes A class or volvo V40 T5 which has the leading performance in this price range.
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post Jul 10 2017, 06:55 AM

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This is because the Kia Optima GT is neither here nor there.
1. It has luxurious interior slightly more premium than Camry Hybrid. However the the ownership experience, the whole package + price point + etc... still lacking.
2. Yes it has power but only as in the form of "usable acceleration". And even Camry Hybrid isn't horrible in acceleration too. Practical top speed wise Camry Hybrid and Optima GT aren't any different.

If Passat slightly smaller interior is being a point, then space wise V40 shouldn't be in the comparison at all.

And going up the ladder will be many times 20k extra. Should compare with competitors around ~10% +/- price.

Well if Kia Optima GT launch were to just earned some niche buyer money, bet on the Japanese to stay put on the feature spec and not positioned to fight head-on and steal away Camry/Accord/Passat part of sales pie, then I rest my case here.
(well like most Korean offering seems to just hoping the Jap would just stop improving their feature list)


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post Jul 10 2017, 08:17 AM

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Normally when come to turbo, minority only talk about top speed
Reason
- our road isn't 100km straight like balladonia, aussie
- myvi still tailgate me even meter aldy show 180kmh

Turbo is helpful when we wanna smoke our tailgater
When come to msia road, most of tailgater will smoke out at 2nd n 3rd gear
Eg. Gua musang trunk road, while hybrid is 50-50 tu cut double line when got lori at front, optima gt will have no isu to cut it flawlessly
After 20 lori has been cut out, belip hybrid aldy 10 tiang left frm gt

1 one of major reason why people buy turbo

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post Jul 10 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 9 2017, 10:21 PM)
With Optima GT pricing, IMO, I would rather up a bit and get Passat 2.0 or go down slightly cheaper and get Camry Hybrid.
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You will get higher and more troublesome maintenance with a Passat with its DSG, mechatronics and adaptive dampers. RV will be worse than Optima GT. Passat 2.0TSI is not more powerful than the Optima. Other than brand snob value I don't see any reason to choose a Passat over am Optima GT. Not to say that it isn't a valid reason as many buying decisions are made on branding.
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post Jul 10 2017, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jul 10 2017, 08:40 AM)
You will get higher and more troublesome maintenance with a Passat with its DSG, mechatronics and adaptive dampers. RV will be worse than Optima GT. Passat 2.0TSI is not more powerful than the Optima. Other than brand snob value I don't see any reason to choose a Passat over am Optima GT. Not to say that it isn't a valid reason as many buying decisions are made on branding.
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Given the reputation of Kia/Hyundai SC, they aren't any better than VW SC. As for reliability, Conti is shit and I would assumed people going for Conti has no issue about that. For now Korean reliability will be "look-and-see" mode. People that prefer trouble-free options will just end up with Accord or Camry Hybrid. And people that dare, given the choice of Passat 2.0 & OptimaGT ... good luck.

Btw, buying decision based on brand itself is a valid reason in itself, as well as how much Hyundai/Kia care about Malaysia. As a bonus point, I wouldn't even touch a Proton if they produce a car with everything like OptimaGT and sell @ RM180k.

Enough said. Given RM180k, my choice would be 60~70% on Camry Hybrid, and 30~40% on Optima GT. Should they have up the ante and includes those safety packs then Optima GT could be on 50~60%. Not to say Camry has read windows power sunshade and side windows shade which is more useful than heated/ventilated seats & sunroof, though I like both the heated/ventilated seats & sunroof in OptimaGT.

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jul 10 2017, 08:17 AM)
Normally when come to turbo, minority only talk about top speed
Reason
- our road isn't 100km straight like balladonia, aussie
- myvi still tailgate me even meter aldy show 180kmh

Turbo is helpful when we wanna smoke our tailgater
When come to msia road, most of tailgater will smoke out at 2nd n 3rd gear
Eg. Gua musang trunk road, while hybrid is 50-50 tu cut double line when got lori at front, optima gt will have no isu to cut it flawlessly
After 20 lori has been cut out, belip hybrid aldy 10 tiang left frm gt

1 one of major reason why people buy turbo
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Well that's quite some mock up scenario cutting 20 lorries. wink.gif Well you just extended my mentioning of "usable acceleration". tongue.gif

In reality I guess it would be 1 (or hardly even 2), unless drivers balls are big. Double-lines route usually have very poor visibility on the opposite lanes. Hence the "turbo" are added advantage, or rather filling the hole with the absence of > 2.0L engine options?



Re-watch this (AutoBuzz Mah review on Camry Hybrid) and the Bobby Ang OptimaGT,
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


What's OptimaGT has, which Camry Hybrid doesn't:
1. heated/ventilated seats
2. more power
3. 6spd vs e-CVT (for some this might be the deciding factor)
4. sunroof
5. foldable rear (totally forget about this, camry hybrid can't fold)


What Camry Hybrid has, which OptimaGT doesn't:
1. Blind spot detection
2. power sunshade and sunshade for doors
3. Hybrid vs turbo (can be a deciding factor)
4. 10 JBL speakers vs ... ?
5. DVD/CD



p/s: has been quite sometime unable to obtain Kia brochures or spec sheet pdf.

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post Jul 10 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 09:08 AM)
Well that's quite some mock up scenario cutting 20 lorries. wink.gif   Well you just extended my mentioning of "usable acceleration". tongue.gif

In reality I guess it would be 1 (or hardly even 2), unless drivers balls are big. Double-lines route usually have very poor visibility on the opposite lanes. Hence the "turbo" are added advantage, or rather filling the hole with the absence of > 2.0L engine options?
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not cut 20 lori 1 shot la bro, i mean maybe from k.lipis to g.musang got 20 lori in between...

i belip there are 10% street racer population in msia road with big ball (not to mention me is one of them... lolzzz)
easy to find them, go genting at 1am weekend
this type of street racer got exp in defensive driving, very fast reaction & know msia road very well
they also know limit of their car very well (if their mind said, my car can cut 2 lori in 1 shot, they will not hesitate to press the pedal all the way, not 50-50)
they also very aware on the surrounding and calc very fast reaction on what happen next (eg, suddenly babi hutan cross the road when cut queue, what to do in next 0.5sec)
normal driver will call them stupid, yell like a hell "wanna race go sepang track la", but other street racer who tailgate them will praise them highly (itu yg balik umah campak enjin wira, masuk gsr tu)
it's not we're street racer like to talk big, but we're kind of person who prefer "talk" on the road using pedal rather than forum using keyb...

if i'm a normal driver, i'll not be in this thread, i'll be in camry or accord thread... kekeke

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post Jul 10 2017, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 09:08 AM)
What's OptimaGT has, which Camry Hybrid doesn't: 
1. heated/ventilated seats
2. more power
3. 6spd vs e-CVT (for some this might be the deciding factor)
4. sunroof
5. foldable rear (totally forget about this, camry hybrid can't fold)
What Camry Hybrid has, which OptimaGT doesn't:
1. Blind spot detection
2. power sunshade and sunshade for doors
3. Hybrid vs turbo (can be a deciding factor)
4. 10 JBL speakers vs ... ?
5. DVD/CD
p/s: has been quite sometime unable to obtain Kia brochures or spec sheet pdf.
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from above list, i only see bold item only, the rest are not a factor
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 08:57 AM)
Given the reputation of Kia/Hyundai SC, they aren't any better than VW SC. As for reliability, Conti is shit and I would assumed people going for Conti has no issue about that. For now Korean reliability will be "look-and-see" mode. People that prefer trouble-free options will just end up with Accord or Camry Hybrid. And people that dare, given the choice of Passat 2.0 & OptimaGT ... good luck.

Btw, buying decision based on brand itself is a valid reason in itself, as well as how much Hyundai/Kia care about Malaysia. As a bonus point, I wouldn't even touch a Proton if they produce a car with everything like OptimaGT and sell @ RM180k.

Enough said. Given RM180k, my choice would be 60~70% on Camry Hybrid, and 30~40% on Optima GT. Should they have up the ante and includes those safety packs then Optima GT could be on 50~60%. Not to say Camry has read windows power sunshade and side windows shade which is more useful than heated/ventilated seats & sunroof, though I like both the heated/ventilated seats & sunroof in OptimaGT.
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Not to downplay the Camry hybrid, it is a great product on its own. I've read about toyota hybrids in other parts of the world that have mileage to travel the circumference of the earth more than 20 times over. Just that further down the ownership road, it is on the costlier side as there are no external workshop specialists that have the ability to touch hybrid systems. Even for UMW themselves, despite staffs having official knowledge and training, the number of hybrid cars just doesn't give them enough "practice time" for a confident fix. Not to doubt them, but any wrong move on the hybrid system can literally kill the person fixing it.

And it is highly likely that owners will be very wary to just opt to service outside workshops after warranty period like most of the cars we owned. Either worreid that these external workshops may mess up the hybrid electronics, or that these workshop don't want to take the risk at all and show you the way back to UMW. So the overall cost of maintenance in the long term will be higher as it will be serviced through official means throughout the whole period of ownership. If something does break down relating to powertrain, the parts will most likely be hybrid specific. Could be also a little harder to source OEMs or Taiwan/China replicas for such parts as 3rd party parts workshop may not stock them on hand due to the very limited number of cars available on the road.

An example is the air cond compressor, it is electric type, not belt driven. Knowing our climate, heavy traffic condition, our habit of liking really cold air and also the habit of idling the car just for the sake of air cond, compressor replacement is something to be considered after 6 year onwards of ownership. And such compressors, a quick check for those China remanufacture type, can costs upwards of USD1000, how much more if getting toyota original part (or even OEM equivalent)? The extended warranty only covers the hybrid drive and battery, not the whole car.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/au...2570242322.html

I maybe a little paranoia, although not obvious, there soon may have a tug of war or transition to new hybrid standards. What current hybrid cars on the road are 12V based, but seems like more and more future models are to be 48V based. This development is due to the fact that present 12V systems can't power the increasing number of electronic features.

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Legit points.



p/s: Well could anyone download any brochures at all from Kia?


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 10:00 AM)
Legit points.
p/s: Well could anyone download any brochures at all from Kia?
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World version :
http://www.kia.com/worldwide/vehicles/cata...-NEW-OPTIMA.pdf
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 10:00 AM)
Legit points.
p/s: Well could anyone download any brochures at all from Kia?
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msia version

Specification
*2.0 Turbocharged T-GDi petrol engine ( 242 hp and 353 Nm of torque )
*6-Airbags
*Sporty 18-inch alloy rim
*GT Line
*Drive Mode Select-( SPORT/ECO )
*Torque Converter 6-Speed AT
*Smartphone Wireless Charging
*Smart Key & Remote Window Control
*Push Start Button
*Electronic Stability Control (ESC)
*High Strength Steel
*LED Headlamps with Dynamic Bending Light & LED DRL
*Red Leather ( Sports Interior )
*Panoramic Sunroof
*6 Speakers

REMOVED :-
10 x Harman Kardon Speakers
BSD (Blind Spot Detection) & LCA (Lane Change Assist)
RCTA (Rear Cross Traffic Alert)
LDWS (Lane Departure Warning System)
AEB (Autonomous Emergency Braking)
Advanced Smart Cruise Control

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aussie brochure...


Attached File(s)
Attached File  Optima.pdf ( 2.66mb ) Number of downloads: 13
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post Jul 10 2017, 10:32 AM

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Not interested in world version. tongue.gif

Heck even Ioniq top spec world version > Malaysian's HEV+.



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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 08:57 AM)
Given the reputation of Kia/Hyundai SC, they aren't any better than VW SC. As for reliability, Conti is shit and I would assumed people going for Conti has no issue about that. For now Korean reliability will be "look-and-see" mode. People that prefer trouble-free options will just end up with Accord or Camry Hybrid. And people that dare, given the choice of Passat 2.0 & OptimaGT ... good luck.
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I kenot brain why people too rely on SC
SC like to kelentong people, if within waranti, they said that item no need to chg, when waranti finished, wow suddenly all item need to be chg
SC also waste ur time, u need to take leave coz chg enjin oil bodoh2 pun take 4hrs

If SC is ur 1st concern when buy car, then u're not confident on that car itself
Why ? Coz u always think u car will always rosak n u need SC to fix it
That's why before buy car, research
Google the pros n cons, any major prob
If no info, wait for 1-2yrs, see feedback from existing owners
If the car history is good, buy n servis outside, no need SC

Kamon babeh... We got knowledge about car, not type of fresh grad, kenot diff between air filter n ekon filter

Parts ? Source urself... Dunno where ? Google is ur best friend
For the 1st 100k km, all part2 bodoh2 only, big spare part shop sure got
Xkan 100k km sudah chg ecu, chg gearbox, chg enjin... Unless kete masuk banjir

People always talk about luck, "kete x rosak xpe la, kalo gbox kong, mampus nak bayar kalo xde waranti"
Why need negative thinking ?
Ask urself again, when u married ur wife, do u know ur luck on ur marriage ? can stand forever or 5 yrs chg new wife aldy ?
Unless got people think car is important than marriage

And bcoz of above, my 3 new cars nvr step in at sc for servis

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 10 2017, 08:57 AM)
Given the reputation of Kia/Hyundai SC, they aren't any better than VW SC. As for reliability, Conti is shit and I would assumed people going for Conti has no issue about that. For now Korean reliability will be "look-and-see" mode. People that prefer trouble-free options will just end up with Accord or Camry Hybrid. And people that dare, given the choice of Passat 2.0 & OptimaGT ... good luck.

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Kia SC shouldn't be lumped together with Hyundai SC. As an ex-Kia owner there are some good Kia SCs and Naza isn't fussy when it comes to warranty claims. Kia has also more SCs than VW so your chance of finding a good SC is better.



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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 10 2017, 11:23 AM)
Kia SC shouldn't be lumped together with Hyundai SC. As an ex-Kia owner there are some good Kia SCs and Naza isn't fussy when it comes to warranty claims. Kia has also more SCs than VW so your chance of finding a good SC is better.
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NAZA not fussy but Allianz is... 1km different also waranti void...

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