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post May 14 2019, 01:47 PM

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Because Malaysian drivers are not willing to pay for more powerful engines. They rather buy underpowered cars with small engines as long as the body looks the same. 2.0L D-segments sell better than 2.4L/2.5L which should be the appropriate engine size. All show but no substance.
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post May 14 2019, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 14 2019, 07:35 AM)
286hp and AWD on the next K5?
Oh yes please. I hope Naza brings in this one. Feeling hopeful.

QUOTE(sitescope @ May 14 2019, 12:16 PM)
Bcoz both are greedy dun wan reduce price
They think can fight with H
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My sources have informed me that the strategy was to go for an aggressively lower price point to capture the market.
MoF did not approve and forced the price increase. It is not greed in this case. It is the influence of the other players in the Malaysian car market that drives this.

We are far from being a free market when it comes to cars.

QUOTE(kluseng @ May 14 2019, 01:47 PM)
Because Malaysian drivers are not willing to pay for more powerful engines. They rather buy underpowered cars with small engines as long as the body looks the same.  2.0L D-segments sell better than 2.4L/2.5L which should be the appropriate engine size. All show but no substance.
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That is true to a sense.
We also need to understand that there is an Asian influence of 'face'. As long as you are seen in a higher category of product, engine and driving experience don't really matter.
Slap a 1.5 litre engine into a C200 and price it at RM170k, watch it kill all other manufacturers at that price point. The fact that it is severely underpowered won't even register.
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post May 14 2019, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ May 13 2019, 01:53 PM)
What is the direction from Naza in terms of the performance offerings down the road? The Stinger being priced above the BMW 3 series and the discontinuation of the GT doesn't paint a rosy picture. I think the only viable alternative is the upcoming Sonata, but I don't know if the N variant will make it here.
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post May 15 2019, 09:20 AM

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The Kia Stinger will also bungkus after one batch. I can't see it surviving being sold at this price.

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post May 15 2019, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ May 15 2019, 09:20 AM)
The Kia Stinger will also bungkus after one batch. I can't see it surviving being sold at this price.
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the price is too premium for the Kia brand. in the US, it was an affordable car price considering the segment is class for. people there get that model with extra features vs continental price car range.
here, it price way too high, plus the 3.3L engine road tax is not a friendly feature.
yes there is 2.0L T engine option, but not sure the basis can get all the features as the 3.3L
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 15 2019, 09:44 AM)
the price is too premium for the Kia brand. in the US, it was an affordable car price considering the segment is class for. people there get that model with extra features vs continental price car range.
here, it price way too high, plus the 3.3L engine road tax is not a friendly feature.
yes there is 2.0L T engine option, but not sure the basis can get all the features as the 3.3L
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When Naza first mooted the idea of bringing the Stinger, the proposed price (and tax structure) was approved by the then government, if I am not mistaken. From the feasibility done, it was deemed that the price was good/competitive and true enough, the first batch of Stinger were quickly snapped by, mostly VIPs who have been anticipating its launch. Not to mention that we also had the tax holiday, with zero GST and SST at that time. But things changed I think, when Naza wanted to bring in the second batch. Import duties/taxes and whats not increased quite significantly, so Naza had no choice but to revise the pricing.




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post May 16 2019, 10:31 AM

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I think the key indicator is that overseas the Stinger was positioned below the 3 series in terms of price. Here, its gone above.
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post May 16 2019, 11:03 AM

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Where did you capture this?

I saw the exact same singapore registered stinger 2 days ago.

Even my wife initially thought it was a porsche sweat.gif

Great design in metal.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 16 2019, 11:03 AM)
Where did you capture this?

I saw the exact same singapore registered stinger 2 days ago.

Even my wife initially thought it was a porsche  sweat.gif

Great design in metal.
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post May 16 2019, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ May 14 2019, 01:47 PM)
Because Malaysian drivers are not willing to pay for more powerful engines. They rather buy underpowered cars with small engines as long as the body looks the same.  2.0L D-segments sell better than 2.4L/2.5L which should be the appropriate engine size. All show but no substance.
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Only car ethusiast can differentiate between accord 2.0 with accord 2.4, camry 2.0 with camry 2.5, c200 with c250, 328i with 320i.

Majority of my friend can only recognise my accord 2.4 from back emblem. 90% msian out there is like my friend. That is why majority msian buyer dont care to opt for higher variant. As long as people see wow, bigger car, then they satisfied already use 2.0 eventhough they can easily afford 2.4/2.5 d segment

Maybe only msian mentality. Easily satisfied.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ May 14 2019, 07:24 PM)
We also need to understand that there is an Asian influence of 'face'. As long as you are seen in a higher category of product, engine and driving experience don't really matter.
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Out of 10 c class, c200 is 8 out there, same goes to bmw, 8 out of 10 is 320i/318i. Very few 328i/330i.

Not that they cant afford, but that is what I see malaysian spending pattern. Love to buy lowest spec one eventhough can afford top spec one. Car manufacturer also headache how to capture this people interest.

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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 16 2019, 08:24 PM)
Only car ethusiast can differentiate between accord 2.0 with accord 2.4, camry 2.0 with camry 2.5, c200 with c250, 328i with 320i.

Majority of my friend can only recognise my accord 2.4 from back emblem. 90% msian out there is like my friend. That is why majority msian buyer dont care to opt for higher variant. As long as people see wow, bigger car, then they satisfied already use 2.0 eventhough they can easily afford 2.4/2.5 d segment

Maybe only msian mentality. Easily satisfied.
Out of 10 c class, c200 is 8 out there, same goes to bmw, 8 out of 10 is 320i/318i. Very few 328i/330i.

Not that they cant afford, but that is what I see malaysian spending pattern. Love to buy lowest spec one eventhough can afford top spec one. Car manufacturer also headache how to capture this people interest.
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Buy old reckon merc/bmw with 150k price tag and swap plate with new bike
Then show off
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