didnt kojima say snake wont die in this game?
or did he say he will die?
knowing kojima,and watching the trailer in which snakes put the gun in his mouth,something is bound to happen...
hmm...my theory as to why snake put the gun to his mouth:
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he's too old to get his d|ck in meryl!
jz kidding..
i want Gray Fox back
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Snake,we're not tools of the government,or anyone else...fighting was the only thing...the only thing i was good at.-but,at least i always fought for what i believed in..
snake,farewell..
snake,farewell..
Added on March 30, 2007, 9:56 pmMGS4's ending and tidbits about the characters..
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spoliers !
The MGS series has had one hell of a ride. The entire lineup
grabbed audiences with its story-driven direction and unbelievable (at
times, literally unbelievable) array of characters and people couldn't
help but follow Snake's path to the ultimate truth (there was always
some big surprise at the end of every MGS game). Just when it seemed
the fans couldn't get enough, the director himself was starting to
almost get sick of it! After death threats and fans' relentless pleas
(perhaps a suitabletitle title for the MGS4 expansion should be Metal
Gear Solid 4: Persistence) thus the final chapter in the life of Solid
Snake will come to a close.
"The irony with this installment is simply too great to comprehend.
At E3 this year, Kojima will be revealing MGS4 for the PlaySation 3.
Fans worldwide expressed their interest in this game long before any
trailer hit, and now people will have a reason to freak out: Vamp,
Meryl, Olga's child, the Patriots, Roy Cambell (no longer a Colonel),
Solid Snake, Big Boss (yes, Big Boss), and Raiden will be coming back,
but the ironic twist; NONE of them are as they were in previous games.
"Vamp isn't a vampire anymore and goes by a new, more realistic
name. He is however, apparently immortal. The twist? He died before the
events at Big Shell took place. He's living proof of what the Patriots
called "dead-cell reanimation". This is why the unit was called Dead
Cell in MGS2 and Vamp was their true leader, not Solidus. He was a spy
for the Patriots and also a guinea pig for the eventual recreation of
Big Boss. Near the end of MGS4, it is revealed Liquid's true motive was
to bring back his father now that dead-cell animation has had its first
truly successful run...
"The most important part of MGS4 I wanted to explain to those who
want to know, is the secret of Raiden. In the trailer that will unveil
at E3 it is going to show Raiden only at the very end, and it is the
surprise Kojima can't wait for everyone to find out. What you are about
to read no one else knows yet and if you are a die-hard fan, you might
not want to read this. Those who want to know the truth... here it is:
"Raiden. The character nobody liked from MGS2. Fans jokingly wanted
him killed and Kojima took that personally. He liked the idea of
introducing Raiden and genuinely loved his creation and role in MGS2,
but he had an idea. What he did next was set it up so that everyone, no
matter what kind of fan you were, would not only love this idea, but
you'd never see it coming. The twist on Raiden in MGS4: he's already
dead. Midway through the game he dies from a mine (like Fox), but we're
meant to think he's clinging to life. He's not though, and his body is
used as the final test subject for the dead-cell reanimation project to
free Big Boss. He comes back, like Fox did, as a semi-conscious Cyborg
ninja. If you look closely when you go to see the trailer at E3, notice
his eyes are closed while he is in the suit. A clue is said to be the
subtle changes in Raiden's eye color. It's unclear what it means, (as
there is a gap) but it's believed he's changing almost into a different
person... You only see his eyes a few times after the mine hits him and
the first time you don't notice, the second time you think you're just
seeing things, but the third time you see something else entirely. The
suit has become a part of him, it can't be taken off. 90% of his skin
is gone and his muscles have atrophied. He is the new Fox in every way,
and his genes? His genes are that of Big Boss himself, well half of
them. He was spliced (Long story. Read above). Like the transformation
of Ocelot to Liquid (which will also take place in MGS4) Raiden will
become a completely different person (remember Fox's severe psychosis?
Raiden's got it now). The game will have a last duel between all 3
snakes. Liquid will become himself again, Big Boss will be resurrected
- if you read the above description you remember that is because in
MGS1 the reason why the government couldn't give up Big Boss' DNA was
because there wasn't just DNA, his entire body was intact. He is
literally the SAME Snake (Again, a long story, and it goes against MG2
but it's explained. Read pg2-4 for the reasoning behind this), and
Snake will be the one on his death bed soon. In the end a great battle
is fought between 3 people, 20+ metal gears, and Raiden is officially
killed. Solid Snake, Naked Snake (Naked because that is how Kojima
planned it. If you remember when MGS3 came out MGS4 was already in
talks, and Kojima had plans for him and he explains why he went by
Naked Snake (hint: it's not very subtle... it's because he's naked in
MGS4. He doesn't have a special suite yet and he's pretty much a
walking corpse). You can also see his image in the first MGS4 artwork
(the blue wallpaper image on all the fan-sites).
"So it ends. Liquid fights Raiden and kills him, then stabs Solid
Snake and he's about to get his throat cut, but Big Boss kills him. Big
Boss fights his son in one last battle in Outer Heaven, just like from
MG and MG2. Then it happens. FoxDIE kicks in and Big Boss has a
"heart-attack". His body was too weak for the virus despite the
antivirus he was given to survive. Snake is lying on his back and
watches him die (similar to the ending of MGS1 when he's trapped under
the jeep and sees Liquid fall). This is where it gets depressing...
"Snake wants to destroy all the DNA remains so the genome project
won't be allowed to continue. He gets all the bodies together, Raiden,
Big Boss, and Liquid, and he burns them in a huge fire. The fire is
also used to signal Otacon who picks him up. As he walks to the top of
a dilapidated building adjacent to the fire, he falls down. He tries to
get up, but he can't. Meryl then catches up with him and helps him to
the top of the stairs. He explains what happened, and then his eyes
well up. He falls back into her arms on the staircase, and she barely
manages to get him up to the top so the helicopter can spot them. The
game ends as Snake slips away peacefully, apparently not from FoxDIE,
but from exhaustion. Meryl holds him very close and closes her eyes. It
actually says here the controller is set to vibrate like a heartbeat. 2
heartbeats, then one skips a beat, then fades until its just one beat
(Meryl's). When Snake does die, she doesn't leave him. She doesn't even
get up to signal Otacon. She just holds him tight and says,
Meryl: "Until we meet again."
The MGS logo appears and the screen fades to black.
See what I mean? Weird... Maybe its true, and maybe its not. I
guess we'll find out next year. I'm starting to think that it has SOME
(but not too much) basis of truth though, I mean I'm starting to HOPE
this is how it ends. After reading it again, I actually like it a lot.
It brings you back to MG, MG2, MGS1, MGS2, and even MGS3 all in the
last 15min of cinema.
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At the end of MGS4, (it goes on) Meryl holds Snake as he peacefully
dies. It says he didn't suffer because of something she injects him
with (It's a bit cryptic what it was and he wispers something but we
can't hear him, only Meryl can). She then gets a call from Naomi who
(again) is disobeying orders from her superiors. She clears Snake's
body for transport back into the US (from Outer Heaven) and Meryl
delivers the body herself. (It goes on to explain) Snake's body was
supposed to remain in the govt's hands so they could keep his genes to
further the genome project, but Naomi realizes she owes Snake, even
after death.
Meryl ends up burying Snake, but not where you think he'd be buried
(it won't say where but it does say it's in Alaska, so not next to the
Boss as I would have thought). This is where it gets weird:
Meryl is standing next to a mound by an old church. (It's assumed
he is buried underneath the actual church, I think). Naomi walks in
with a white flower and places it on the alter. She walks over to Meryl
and explains how sorry she is for everything that happened in the past
48 hours. Meryl doesn't say anything but doesn't look mad, in fact (it
describes) she is almost pleased to see her, despite the fact that
Naomi gave Snake FoxDIE intentially as payback (from MGS1).
Naomi sits down and takes out an old Bible. She reads a verse and
reflects on Mei Ling and her quotations about love, war, and loss. She
smiles but then turns more serious. Meryl starts to walk out of the
church, and gets something from her jeep. Naomi follows her out and
says
Naomi: Meryl, there is something I have to ask you.
Meryl: ---
Naomi: Before Shadow Moses, who did you work for?
Meryl: --- (she squints into the sun and looks at Naomi)
Naomi: I'm sorry, I just had to ask. When I read about Snake, and
the FOXHOUND revolt all those years ago, you weren't mentioned.
Meryl: ---
Naomi: As Campbell's neice you were the perfect bait to ensure his
cooperation, but the file I found didn't explain anything about you,
Meryl. None of it. I thought you were a soldier - One of the members
sent in before the incident?
(At this point Meryl looks at Naomi then looks off to the side of her... something caught her off guard.)
Naomi: Meryl... who are you?
Meryl: Naomi, you have no idea who I am. (She then takes out a
small pistol and holds it casually at her side). Who am I? (She takes a
step towars her and points the gun at her head) What was I doing there?
(she takes another step towards her) What was I doing on an island just
before there was an unexpected revolt? Because I was asked to be. We
all do our part, Naomi. We all have our role, our purpose, and our
loyalties.
Naomi: I don't understand. Who asked you to be there? For what purpose? What were you asked to do?
Meryl: None of this matters anymore. The war is over. Our lives are over.
Naomi: Meryl! I know you're mad about Snake, but listen to me. I
was wrong. You have to understand, I was doing what I thought had to be
done... Snake was a great man.
Meryl: His name was David.
(She points the gun at Naomi and pulls the trigger. She then gets in her jeep and sits at the wheel. She drives off
When Meryl says "Our lives are over" I have no idea what that even
means. Not at all. Also, as per MGS "rules", there is ANOTHER last
movie of only a phone call. Swful truth...
omeone walks up to a payphone and dials a 10 digit extention. You
can see a woman's hand press 525-354-5652. The reciever clicks twice
and Meryl speaks:
Meryl: It's over. I did what you asked me to do. I'm heading over there now.
She has Snake's bandanaa in her hand and as she hangs up the phone
you're supposed to have no idea what happened. Kojima might be trying
something new here: since this is the last installment, he wants fans
to go online and REALLY discuss the ending and what it meant. He gives
clues throughout the game so pay close attention. Also use common
sense. Remember in MGS1 when you are asked to look at the CD case for
Meryl's number? This time you are asked to look at a phonepad to see
what number Meryl actually dialed. Ironic isn't it? I like the way that
ties in... if you look at the numbers one of the possible matches is:
52-53-54-56-52
la-le-li-lo-lu
Yeah... wtf. You can't just make this stuff up.
do you think it's true ?
true? false?
you make your own conclusion.
for me,it's one hell of a ride...and is somewhere along the lines of the supposed "leaked mgs3 casting call profiles"
in other words,some of the info is genuine,some are fake..
totally irrelevant to MGS4,
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i've seen a self claimed "leaked" script from MGS3,and it has Gray Fox driving a jeep,with you as snake riding shotgun(mid way thru the game)
and you find some kind of door that hasnt been open for exactly 100 years.
needless to say,the character was NOT big boss
and you find some kind of door that hasnt been open for exactly 100 years.
needless to say,the character was NOT big boss
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Mar 30 2007, 09:48 PM
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