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V-Zero
post Jul 11 2017, 02:16 PM

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Guys QQ on genesis-mining.

For starter I purchased 50 MH/s x11 mining on 6th July, paid via CC, verified and all good.
Also stored my Exodus wallet for both DASH and BTC in account settings.

However as of now there's no payout recorded, curious if there's anything else I need to do?

Maybe minimum threshold for payout?
I see 0.02847388 under my DASH balance currently.
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post Jul 11 2017, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Jul 11 2017, 03:06 PM)
For purchase with credit card, they will hold your payout for the first month.
So your Dash coins will still be in Genesis wallet.
After 1 month then only you can send it out.
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Ah ok got it then. smile.gif
Thanks for the quick response!

Time to load up dem MH(s). tongue.gif
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:50 PM

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Ah can't buy btc vio Luno for SGD. : /

Looking at Coinhako but need to go through all that verification.
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post Jul 15 2017, 10:17 PM

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Passed the test-water phase. brows.gif

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Total:
Hashnest L3 177 MH/s
Hasflare Scrypt 25 MH/s
GM X11 50 MH/s
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post Jul 16 2017, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 16 2017, 01:26 AM)
If any trader could generate more than 4% profit a month consistently will be a multimillionaire in no time or head hunted to work in new York and London.
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I guess it's only fair to say that all that fixed n months breakeven thing is possible only if mining difficulty/price stays stagnant which is rarely the case.
It's wildly volatile and big swings are common.

But we chose to be part of it and obviously we're gonna focus more on the good thing than bad thing. laugh.gif
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post Jul 18 2017, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 18 2017, 07:30 PM)
See my signature.
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New to Telegram, how to join? blink.gif
Just got it setup on my phone.

On a side note, now on 110MH Scrypt and 325MH L3. brows.gif
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post Jul 19 2017, 10:31 AM

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^ As of now my Scrypt and HN L3 are at roughly 0.5 - 0.55% daily yield.
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post Jul 20 2017, 12:57 PM

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Yesterday's payout @ 325 Mh.
Yield holding up around 0.48%.
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post Jul 29 2017, 09:29 PM

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Stocked up some WTT tokens mainly for rental purpose.
Or potential miner hosting should the opportunity presents. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 29 2017, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 29 2017, 09:35 PM)
How many extra WTT tokens for rental?  smile.gif
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3k tokens. smile.gif
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post Jul 29 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 29 2017, 09:52 PM)
Wow! Can host two units of D3.

I only have extra 1320 tokens.

Just enough to host one D3.

Want to buy, but currently out of stock at GigaWatt.  sad.gif

By the way, the tokens are worth $1.20 each now.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah kinda late to the party but better late than never. bangwall.gif
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post Jul 30 2017, 11:31 AM

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Not really, still $350-ish.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/

Personally positive towards this split.
And as long as you have your BTC private key you'll be fine, no need to scramble for new wallets.

Jaxx announced that they'll support BTCC so Jaxx works fine too.
http://decentral.ca/jaxx-statement-bitcoin-cash-bch/

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post Aug 9 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(gigroup @ Aug 9 2017, 02:26 PM)
only me think that reinvest is not a good idea?
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+1 here.
Did lump sum for all my purchase and never Dos any follow up/reinvestment.

I'll write more elaborate explanation later, on the move currently.
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post Aug 10 2017, 07:37 PM

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Here's some reasoning on why I don't reinvest.

Background
Been holding 325MH/s for past ~1 month.

All the roi calculation are based on the average payout over the week (the rightmost green bar in your HashNest dashboard) divided by no. of MH/s.
Effectively I get amount of LTC I get per MH/s per day.

Now the figures itself:
20th Jul: 0.001760
10th Aug: 0.001183

With the formula FV = PV x (1 + C%) ^ D where:

FV = future value (0.001183)
PV = present value (0.001760)
C% = value change expressed in %
D = duration (20 days)

The value of C% is -1.97%.
That means I should expect my payout to decrease by 1.97% everyday over time. (this is obviously optimistic, with more miners coming in, the drop will be more pronounced)

With that I extrapolated my future payout amount:
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Days = n days from now
Payout = expected payout at after n days
Value = how much value it dropped compared to 10th Aug's payout.

From here I can tell that, in about 3 months my payout will lose -83.32% of its payout amount compared to 10th August payout.
Which is frankly, good as none.

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Ok now the logical part. laugh.gif

If I re-invest my payouts, my hunch tells me that I will never break-even before the contract becomes $0/void.
I can probably build some math models to compare both but I'm lazy. bangwall.gif

Hence my view towards this investment is, the day I determine that the payout is no longer worth it, I will liquidate all my contracts, likely with loss, unless LTC skyrockets.
And with the LTC I accumulated, I will do active trading when opportunity presents and hopefully be able to profit from that.

If you know what's a call warrant in traditional securities, imagine it's a dividend paying warrant where both the contract value and payout diminishes over time.

All these are my personal views and by no means recommendations.
Pretty sure there are plenty of things that I missed out, but let's have a healthy discussion. smile.gif
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post Aug 10 2017, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(yupio @ Aug 10 2017, 09:59 PM)
I think there has to be a balance. If mining is not profitable, nobody will mine and CC will not be able to be transacted. Has to reach a form of equilibrium at a certain point in time.
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Mining yourself is different in a sense that the hardware depreciation rate is lower than cloud based mining.


QUOTE(HHCC @ Aug 10 2017, 10:34 PM)
Great effort V-zero. But I think there's a flaw in your payout tabulations.

My payouts from Hashnest for the same period did not decrease 1.97% daily. I keep track of my daily payouts from all three cloud mining companies GM, HF and HN. In fact, HN has the most consistent payout with very slight fluctuations from one day to another. I am not seeing your 1.97% reduction daily which is freakingly scary to be honest.

Any investment that has a 1.97% reduction daily will not and cannot have 100% ROI.

Please recheck your payouts or you can screen shot it here so we can help to see whether there was an error on HN part.
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Here's how my chart looks like.
The weekly average steadily went from 0.55 to 0.38-ish now.

Over slightly more than 3 weeks. hmm.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 12:54 AM

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Obviously you're not gonna see consistent -1.97% reduction everyday else all run road already. laugh.gif

It's CAGR based, or CARR in this case. tongue.gif

Though points noted, my start point could had been skewed towards the high side.
I'll take fresh readings again, see you guys in couple weeks. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Aug 11 2017, 04:52 AM)
An average 1.97% reduction in daily payout will see zero payout in about 50+ days, or about 2 months from the beginning of the contract..
You are now in day 20.
Tell us on 30th September 2017 whether your daily LTC payout has reached zero or not.
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Nah doesn't work that way, the -1.97% is compounded and not flat rate, takes long time to reach 0 but long before that the payout is good as non-existent.
The daily yield % had been dropping steadily from 0.5x% to now 0.3x%, pretty sure you guys noticed that.

Anyway sincerely hoping my calculation is flawed. laugh.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Aug 11 2017, 09:33 AM)
Then show me how a compounded 1.97% daily reduction graph looks like.
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post Aug 11 2017, 10:20 AM

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^ that's cool.

And dear all, I have no intention to discredit HashNest/cloud mining. smile.gif
Don't butthurt ah cause I also dumped alot inside laugh.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Aug 11 2017, 10:24 AM)
I am just out to prove that your computation is flawed.  smile.gif
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And I hope you are right. devil.gif
Oh and what we discussed (the drop) actually refers to the payout per hash.

If you are re-investing your returns, you need to take the payout and divide by no. of hashes you have to get the base value.
Then compare with the value in future.

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