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TSBleuJo
post Jun 27 2017, 09:41 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hi, would like to ask if its fine to have a unit 2 or 3 floors below the break tank? Does the break tank includes water storage tank?

And also what does M&E stands for? Should we avoid M&E as well when choosing unit?

Sifu please shed some lights. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 27 2017, 09:52 PM

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balistafear
post Jun 27 2017, 09:58 PM

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Basically break tank is the water tank at the mid floor of condo to pump water up to top floor. In my line of work as a professional property consultant, I've seen condos withOUT breaktank, and trust me, they are a huge huge engineering nightmare to maintain due to constant pipe overpressure.

As long as machines are properly maintained and not too noisy, it shouldn't be a bad thing. I would even find it a plus as water pressure would be better.
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post Jun 27 2017, 09:59 PM

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post Jun 27 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(balistafear @ Jun 27 2017, 09:58 PM)
Basically break tank is the water tank at the mid floor of condo to pump water up to top floor. In my line of work as a professional property consultant, I've seen condos withOUT breaktank, and trust me, they are a huge huge engineering nightmare to maintain due to constant pipe overpressure.

As long as machines are properly maintained and not too noisy, it shouldn't be a bad thing. I would even find it a plus as water pressure would be better.
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Thanks for the reply bro. So the usage of break tank is to pump water to the top floor water storage tank. But does it serve as a water storage tank purpose and serve water to the units below it?

M&E room. What is the usage of this facility? Should we avoid it?
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post Jun 27 2017, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(BleuJo @ Jun 27 2017, 10:02 PM)
Thanks for the reply bro. So the usage of break tank is to pump water to the top floor water storage tank. But does it serve as a water storage tank purpose and serve water to the units below it?

M&E room. What is the usage of this facility? Should we avoid it?
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Break Tank: Usually mid floor to transfer water up. A building with 2 break tank (mid and top) is better than one only (top) simply because the water pressure required to pump water upwards is less heavy to the pipes for 2 than for 1. The most notorious one I've personally seen is still The Orion at KLCC, insider said they forgot to build mid floor break tank and over the years, residents end up having lots of burst pipes and water disruptions because pipe sending water up couldn't take the high pressure required to pump it up.

M&E room usually refers to the wet & dry risers, centralized TNB port, fire hydrants and or lift electricals. This, if can, try not to be the unit immediately next to it. It's a negative point for future buyers and may be reason to parang your price.
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post Jun 29 2017, 08:08 PM

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Generally, you have a few tanks in a development. Some for domestic water usage, some for fire fighting. Due to authorities requirement, a transfer/break tank need to be provided when the water supply goes above certain height.
That is why some buildings do not have it (normally medium cost below 20sty), some have one level (normally mid cost ~30sty), some have 2 levels (normally high cost >40sty). It's directly related with the height of supply. All these tanks are to transfer water to the roof tanks, which will in turn supply all the units within the tower.
M&E are mechanical & electrical rooms. If it's at middle heights of the tower, these rooms are for the tank pumps. The pumps will sit on vibration isolators. But as in all things mechanical, they will prone to breakdown. As for the tanks, leakages are not common. But when they wash the tanks, do maintenance works, sometimes water tend to overflow or seep through to the floor below.

Back to your question, try to avoid the units directly above or below the tanks or m&e. 2 units below is ok.

Bonus tips: try to avoid the bottom 3 floors and top most floor as well.
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post Jun 29 2017, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(balistafear @ Jun 27 2017, 09:58 PM)
Basically break tank is the water tank at the mid floor of condo to pump water up to top floor. In my line of work as a professional property consultant, I've seen condos withOUT breaktank, and trust me, they are a huge huge engineering nightmare to maintain due to constant pipe overpressure.

As long as machines are properly maintained and not too noisy, it shouldn't be a bad thing. I would even find it a plus as water pressure would be better.
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Then u choose lower floor units. Lower floor units normally supplied by gravity feed with high pressure as well. Doesnt mean close to transfer tank/middle floor tank only can have higher water pressure
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post Jun 29 2017, 08:20 PM

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So many m&e engineer here. Sad is salary of m&e engineer pay not even can compare with property agent. LOL.
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post Jun 29 2017, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(bf1119 @ Jun 29 2017, 08:17 PM)
Then u choose lower floor units. Lower floor units normally supplied by gravity feed with high pressure as well. Doesnt mean close to transfer tank/middle floor tank only can have higher water pressure
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Yup, thanks for clarifying. I meant to say, higher floors tend to have lower pressure due to gravity and pressure. Those units at the top without water tank would find water pressure lower if their water comes direct. Thankfully, we have building guidelines to ensure this isn't the issue. Furthermore, without a break tank, the pipes pushing the water up to roof tank would need to sustain high pressure. These are prone to bursting and may require regular repairs. Just my observation from clients unit at The Orion. Pity those guys.
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post Jul 6 2017, 01:07 AM

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Thanks for the sharing everyone!
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post Oct 15 2018, 08:43 PM

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What about 2 unit away from the m&e ? will it make alot of noises? 8 unit perfloor.
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QUOTE(kxchong @ Oct 15 2018, 08:43 PM)
What about 2 unit away from the m&e ? will it make alot of noises? 8 unit perfloor.
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2 units is safe. wadever leakage or noise, the immediate floor already filter rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 21 2018, 06:48 PM

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Yeah i concur balistafear point.

Used to manage a 17 floor service apartment and it was a nightmare. Pipe burst everywhere whether in common area or inside individual unit.

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QUOTE(balistafear @ Jun 29 2017, 10:58 PM)
Yup, thanks for clarifying. I meant to say, higher floors tend to have lower pressure due to gravity and pressure. Those units at the top without water tank would find water pressure lower if their water comes direct. Thankfully, we have building guidelines to ensure this isn't the issue. Furthermore, without a break tank, the pipes pushing the water up to roof tank would need to sustain high pressure. These are prone to bursting and may require regular repairs. Just my observation from clients unit at The Orion. Pity those guys.
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what about the noise?
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post Nov 7 2018, 11:59 AM

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Let say M&E is on floor 13, I wonder if floor 12 water pressure gonna be low ? all the sifu please advise
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post Nov 7 2018, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Jun 29 2017, 08:08 PM)
Generally, you have a few tanks in a development. Some for domestic water usage, some for fire fighting. Due to authorities requirement, a transfer/break tank need to be provided when the water supply goes above certain height.
That is why some buildings do not have it (normally medium cost below 20sty), some have one level (normally mid cost ~30sty), some have 2 levels (normally high cost >40sty). It's directly related with the height of supply. All these tanks are to transfer water to the roof tanks, which will in turn supply all the units within the tower.
M&E are mechanical & electrical rooms. If it's at middle heights of the tower, these rooms are for the tank pumps. The pumps will sit on vibration isolators. But as in all things mechanical, they will prone to breakdown. As for the tanks, leakages are not common. But when they wash the tanks, do maintenance works, sometimes water tend to overflow or seep through to the floor below.

Back to your question, try to avoid the units directly above or below the tanks or m&e. 2 units below is ok.

Bonus tips: try to avoid the bottom 3 floors and top most floor as well.
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what is the reason to avoid bottom 3 floors?

by the way thanks for sharing your knowledge thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 7 2018, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Nov 7 2018, 01:39 PM)
what is the reason to avoid bottom 3 floors?

by the way thanks for sharing your knowledge  :thumbsup:
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Prone to pipe blockage/backflow and smell from pipes
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post Nov 7 2018, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Nov 7 2018, 02:50 PM)
Prone to pipe blockage/backflow and smell from pipes
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post Nov 7 2018, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(kxchong @ Nov 7 2018, 11:59 AM)
Let say M&E is on floor 13, I wonder if floor 12 water pressure gonna be low ? all the sifu please advise
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By regulation, 3-4 units below water tank will be from pump feed. So it won't be low.

 

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