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post Aug 16 2017, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Aug 16 2017, 09:11 AM)
The onlyquestion I have for Klopp is....where the fark is Sakho

Gini as usual, I heard he was missing the whole game lol
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yeah bring sakho back...
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Liverpool's failing transfer guru and why Jurgen Klopp may soon be questioning the club's ambition

Kevin Palmer
August 14 2017 8:48 PM

It is not just the Liverpool future of Philippe Coutinho that may be on the line in the final days of this summer’s transfer window - as the storm brewing at Anfield has the potential to cast a cloud over the club’s biggest star.

While critics of manager Jurgen Klopp delight in highlighting his failings, Liverpoolsupporters have invested their hopes and dreams in the hands of the German tactician who has become the face of one of the most iconic sporting brands in the world.

That beaming smile, the booming laugh, those extravagant touchline antics and his compelling post-match interviews turned Klopp into a star long before he arrived at Anfield in October 2015, yet this affable German might be about to face up to his first real crisis as Liverpool manager.

Klopp knew that this would be the summer when Liverpool’s ambitions would be tested to the full, with the Fenway Sports Group (FSG) that oversees the club’s transfer policy being urged to shed their tag of being a set of businessmen who buy youthful players with an eye on selling them for a profit at a later date.

After Klopp reached the end of last summer’s transfer window with his balance sheet in profit, he had every right to believe that his success in guiding the club to a top-four finish in the Premier League would prelude a big summer of spending that would see Liverpool break their transfer budget on several occasions.

Yet as we edge towards the final two weeks of transfer trading and with Liverpool preparing for their crucial Champions League play-off tie against Hoffenheim on Tuesday night, Klopp will have as many questions swirling in his mind as the club’s frustrated fans.

If we get to the September 1st transfer deadline with Liverpool’s No.10 shirt vacated by Philippe Coutinho after a £100m move to Barcelona and the club failing to finalise deals for Southampton defender Virgil van Dijk or Leipzig’s Naby Keita (below) - Klopp’s two top transfer targets - then it might not just be the fans who start pointing accusing fingers in the direction of the club’s owners.

FSG chiefs are no soccer experts and with that in mind, they are believed to have developed a reliance Sporting Director Michael Edwards to feed them with information after he was promoted to his new role last November following a stint as the club’s statistical analyst.

Part of the much-maligned ‘transfer committee’ that was heavily criticised during Brendan Rodgers' spell as Liverpool manager, the influence Edwards commands with the club's owners was confirmed with his promotion to the vital role of chief transfer strategist last year.

A failed footballer, Edwards worked at Portsmouth and Tottenham overseeing data on players before securing his role at Liverpool, with Rodgers said to be uncomfortable with his influence on the club’s owners in the months before his sacking in October 2015.

Edwards' lack of experience in closing out high-profile transfers meant he had plenty to prove in the role and the first big test of his credentials came as Liverpool embarked on what proved to be disastrous talks to try and set up a deal to sign Southampton defender Virgil van Dijk.

His decision to speak to the player and his agent without getting permission from Southampton to open talks was a reckless approach that forced Liverpool into an embarrassing public apology and apparently ended their hopes of signing the defender. It was amateur trading from a novice learning the ropes.

Edwards also failed in several attempts to sign Keita, with his sole success in closing out a deal to sign Mohamed Salah from Roma not enough to absolve him of criticism if Liverpool fail to capture the players they badly need in the final weeks of this transfer window.

As if the frustration for Edwards and FSG after their transfer near misses was not already acute, they are now facing up to the prospect of losing their best player against their wishes and this after the club released a statement only last Friday confirming Coutinho would not be sold at any cost.

After the club took that firm stance, the sale of Coutinho now has the potential to spark an angry reaction from Liverpool fans already concerned about the ambitions of owners who are rapidly using up the stocks of faith placed in them by all associated with the club.

What will the mood be like at Anfield next weekend if Liverpool have slipped up in the Champions League play-offs against Hoffenheim and also lose Coutinho to Barcelona?

It doesn't bear thinking about and in the middle of the storm will stand the manager who could already be forgiven for wondering whether the club’s owners are more interested in trading on Liverpool's glorious reputation without making serious attempts to preserve it.

The answer to that question will be delivered in the next two weeks.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premi...n-36032266.html
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post Aug 16 2017, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(WanMB @ Aug 16 2017, 03:18 AM)
Why Henderson loves passing to the back?
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he has been like that since 2011, gutless.
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Aug 16 2017, 09:01 AM)
he has been like that since 2011, gutless.
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Joe Allen syndrome
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Aug 16 2017, 07:55 AM)
opponent first goal, who u gonna blame?TAA seems busy appealing for offside..he doesnt chase opponent..is he at fault?or because he is no moreno?u dont want to blame lovren for shitty defending and penalty?🤔🤔
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I rate TAA higher than Gomes or any full backs on our team except Clyne. He was doing great at Watford game and he first introduced himself as he has decent corner kick with good defense to protect our right back until klopp sub him out for Gomes who then led to Watford equalizer.

TAA performed again in his first UCL game, he did what he did in his first game only improved in both discipline defense and overlapping attack, crosses, free kick and corner kick.

The Hoffenhiem goal was his only mistake that he shouldn't lay off his man and hope for linesman to bail the team defense out. Obviously he saw Lovern raise hand for offside and he immediately stop playing. I hope he learn the lesson that ball won't stop until referee blew his whistle. He still can improve and i would like to see him more even Clyne came back from injury, i hope klopp slot Clyne into the left back which klopp did last season occasionally when milner had some injury.


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QUOTE(WanMB @ Aug 16 2017, 03:18 AM)
Why Henderson loves passing to the back?
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to improve he passing rating on the pitch or i should call stats padding to make him look good on stats
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post Aug 16 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Aug 16 2017, 07:55 AM)
opponent first goal, who u gonna blame?TAA seems busy appealing for offside..he doesnt chase opponent..is he at fault?or because he is no moreno?u dont want to blame lovren for shitty defending and penalty?🤔🤔
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still shocking defending at set pieces & not just due to moreno or TAA.

For example this free kick in extra time after a foul by grujic that hoffenheim didn't score from a free header
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don't understand why the defense line had to be so high up. its just inviting hoffenheim to put the ball on the penalty spot for their attackers to run on to.

defending set pieces isn't that difficult. even teams like west brom can defend set pieces with enough coaching.
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post Aug 16 2017, 10:34 AM

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Just wow at our shit and nearly non existence midfield and shit defending, just watch any extended highlights, so many attempts from Hoffenheim and so many free kicks awarded to them. doh.gif
Not to mention a penalty was awarded to them as well, but luckily their penalty taker decided to blew away the chance.
Oh and fuck the referee o0o, there is a foul on Firmino, but there were 3 of our players carried on with the ball with 3vs2 situation, the referee blew the whistle to stop it instead of giving us the advantage to carry on with the attack.

Mane and Salah need to take their chances better, they missed damn many chances.

Arnold, what a good free kick from this kids, this will certainly boost his confidence, and a good performance from him. Its just the last goal he should never stop his movement just because the offside is very clear. This will taught him a good lesson.

A not convincing win but a win is still a win, now its just left to finish up the game at Anfield.

My overall conclusion is our defence and midfield is shite, Lovren + Matip combo certainly cannot be depends on. Midfield trio of Hendo Gini and Can is a disaster, they never control the midfield at all. Even if Coutinho is in the team, the attack will be smoother, but the mid control and mid defends will still be shite. doh.gif

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In perspective to all the negatives, Hoff has not lost in 18 months at home.
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could've won wth bigger margin. too many wasted chances. and as usual they gave the ball away too cheaply & too many times on the last 10-20 minutes. i think LFC need to hire a very good shrink lah. they all went nervy so many times
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Aug 16 2017, 10:34 AM)
Just wow at our shit and nearly non existence midfield and shit defending, just watch any extended highlights, so many attempts from Hoffenheim and so many free kicks awarded to them.  doh.gif
Not to mention a penalty was awarded to them as well, but luckily their penalty taker decided to blew away the chance.
Oh and fuck the referee o0o, there is a foul on Firmino, but there were 3 of our players carried on with the ball with 3vs2 situation, the referee blew the whistle to stop it instead of giving us the advantage to carry on with the attack.

Mane and Salah need to take their chances better, they missed damn many chances.

Arnold, what a good free kick from this kids, this will certainly boost his confidence, and a good performance from him. Its just the last goal he should never stop his movement just because the offside is very clear. This will taught him a good lesson.

A not convincing win but a win is still a win, now its just left to finish up the game at Anfield.

My overall conclusion is our defence and midfield is shite, Lovren + Matip combo certainly cannot be depends on. Midfield trio of Hendo Gini and Can is a disaster, they never control the midfield at all. Even if Coutinho is in the team, the attack will be smoother, but the mid control and mid defends will still be shite.  doh.gif
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fucuk the ref that awarded TAA a yellow after he yelled at the ref for throw in that very obvious the last touch was off hoffenhiem player. But glad to see he showed his passion unlike someone with armband.
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Anyway, back to transfer talk, i think we should just go for Oxlade to strengthen our midfield. He is EPL proven, good forward ability, and hes fast as well.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Aug 16 2017, 11:52 AM)
Anyway, back to transfer talk, i think we should just go for Oxlade to strengthen our midfield. He is EPL proven, good forward ability, and hes fast as well.
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last season beli player MANE entah
this season kite SALAH beli
now rumour kite nak SERI plak.. aiyooo rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Anyone thinks we have a hope in hell if we sell Cout to go for Sanchez Alexis? smile.gif
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post Aug 16 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Aug 16 2017, 10:50 AM)
fucuk the ref that awarded TAA a yellow after he yelled at the ref for throw in that very obvious the last touch was off hoffenhiem player. But glad to see he showed his passion unlike someone with armband.
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This is the reason. laugh.gif

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The goal we conceded showed TAA's lack of maturity. He didnt follow Uth and just let him waltz in and have a clear strike of the ball.

That being said, he has shown tremendous passion, unlike some of the other players.

We still have a mountain to work on with our defense, especially from, you guessed it... set pieces.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Aug 16 2017, 12:00 PM)
This is the reason. laugh.gif

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Agree. Perfect mentor
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 16 2017, 10:49 AM)
could've won wth bigger margin. too many wasted chances. and as usual they gave the ball away too cheaply & too many times on the last 10-20 minutes. i think LFC need to hire a very good shrink lah. they all went nervy so many times
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we too could conceded more goals. lady luck & Mignolet was spot on. rclxm9.gif
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What an amazing free kick from Arnold. Happy to have someone good at set pieces and he's so young!

What happens when Clyne is back though. I don't see any good set piece takers so far after Suarez and Gerrard. Coutinho is good at free kicks, but not dangerous with corners. :/
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Aug 16 2017, 12:20 PM)
What an amazing free kick from Arnold. Happy to have someone good at set pieces and he's so young!

What happens when Clyne is back though. I don't see any good set piece takers so far after Suarez and Gerrard. Coutinho is good at free kicks, but not dangerous with corners. :/
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If Moreno still not doing well, i can forsee Clyne plays at LB

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