thats what i am trying to do all along, taking good care and asking questions which i hope for a different answer than those i got from gerbil. well, basically, its the same type of answer i got. and yeah, i will try my best to take care of it. coz i dont spend my money and time just to watch it die. no one is that stupid for goodness sake... i love pets and thats why i got them. i am a pet lover just like u all, its just that maybe i dont like to do research as much as u do, but bold enough to ask questions, even if its stupid questions. from wat i learn, there is no such thing as a wrong question, questions are questions and i think ur teacher would even say that to u, ask if u dont know. will she say dont ask if u can find them in the book? well... u think for urself. whether i am someone who doesnt care or cares for my pet. i may be ego and ignorant, but i will listen to friendly advise. thats what i was hoping to get. sorry for all this scene. i would have fed my glider with dog food if i kept quiet and didnt ask, would i? so, now, did i do the right thing or wrong thing? pls think again...

This post has been edited by JonYeap: May 22 2007, 03:06 AM

er .. ok let me clerify. bout the dog food. is from me.. is what i over heard someone not in lyn ok? erm and i forgotten who i've listen. and guess what time is it nw ? i woke up to play with my gliders.. hahaha..and I would Love to appologize to whom i have indirectly offended i'm truly sry.. the gliders are in good condition not to mension mine nvr crab eversince fewdays after it came. it ate good foods.. not only apples. but also wintermellon, papayas, some yogurt.. vitagens and mealworms crickets. hmm.. there are only few complications that are soon to be resolved like getting fridge cause our finals are almost over and we'll be getting back home town where we have fridge for 3 weeks before we come back and the calcium cause i cant get any from the pet shop here in melaka.. but im ordering some from a dealer which should not be any problem and everything is under good care. paiseh for the language and stuff . cheers.. caoz

kelvin its ok one. they only want to flame on me. dont have to explain so much lor. i will take all of that. hehe... well, if they dont know our situation on the fridge yet the yap yap yap and shout like mad, we cant do a thing.
wanna know why we cant get a fridge yet? we are shifting to a new apartment this weekend. and after shifting we are going back hometown for 3 weeks. do u think the fridge we are getting a fridge and putting there for 1 month without using it? i doubt so. also, as u know, shifting into a new apartment for a student, renting a house with no furniture, and i mean totally no furniture, we have to come out a large sum to get many things. well, i lazy to tell so much also. basically, it cant be helped at the moment and ya. thats about all. haha... mmu students like writing long essays... opps...

Its so funny watching this all over again after what happens in the Gerbils Thread. Guess i will need to PM Crazymouse to clear things up here..

This is my opinion here. I defended you there at Gerbils Thread Jon and I will do it so here IF you are doing the correct thing in the first place. Ok, you are correct in some way of asking things that you do not know in the first place. I do agree, at some part, you do not deserve those kind of harsh statement by the guys.

But trust me on this, you WILL need to start researching instead of just asking around. Teachers are there to help you answer your doubts when you have then but do take note, they always encourage self-reading and improvement. If not, why is there a need for books. Therefore, next time, do try to read on some of the info first. At least that will get you well prepared and further enhance your knowledge = lowering the flame right?

I know you are a pet lover but you need to know, its not easy to keep one. Yes you have your own financial situation etc but as you know you are shifting, why not wait until everything is stable first. What i mean is, you are already well prepared and ready to cope with all the things, then its the right time to do so. Correct? People are so stress out with you having not enough things does not show that they are bashing you in the first place.They are worried the glider get neglected if you are not able to support it in the future.Who knows you have even more difficulties until you are not able to feed them right?Ok, i might have offended you somewhere but do know, pet lovers always care for their pets. Therefore, it is the lovers intention to always watch for good owners so that the pets get what they deserve like humans do..

No offence anywhere but guys, keep the flame apart. Keep this thread as a happy discussion place and people to share their knowledge. To Jon, understand my advice. Do some research and from there, if you do not know anything, you could always ask. If people know you did that, they will surely response correctly in a well manner.

If this offended anyone, tell me and i will delete this up. Happy discussion..

-____- wat the....heck happened man...eh chilla....y wanna make a scene la?
every body wants best for their pets k...some of us might be still new but we make mistake also wat... soo calm down la...k?

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Added on May 22, 2007, 10:50 amoooh by the way the dog food thing....when i get my glider that time the seller also said that feed dog food....so i dunno la but i have never fed my gliders dog food cause literally dog food is for dogs...mayb u all should have a word with the sellers or sumthing like dat

This post has been edited by kweekit: May 22 2007, 10:50 AM

Dear Jon,

Okay fine, you have a glider already. We cannot force you to give it up now. So I will try and give my honest opinion and help you out

It is true that it's better to keep gliders in pairs or with a companion, but in your case it is not really advisable, not only because of the cage matter, but also because both of the glider has different owner. You have to take into consideration that if they are used to being with each other, seperation can cause stress to them.

Gliders can live longer than 4 years. Up to 12 years in captivity. So after the period of you guys staying together, will you seperate them? Even if it's not 4 years from now, if you guys go back hometown, will you seperate them? I know you might say it's only a few days or week, but even a few days can cause stress to them. My glider wasn't eating very well when I brought him back hometown because of the different environment, had to really pujuk him and be with him most of the time.

Please think about this.

As for feeding, yes, there are people feeding dog food and baby food, these normally comes from commercial breeder which is totally a NO-NO. They are breeding for profit, not quality. Plus by feeding them these can cause harm to your glider. You did ask why baby food is not good and can be harmful cuz it's baby food right? Simple, because it's HUMAN baby food, it's meant for human, not gliders. Same thing goes for dog food, it's meant for DOGS, not gliders. It all goes down to the ingredient. That's why a glider is an exotic animal

Remember, some things that are good for human, are NOT good for gliders. And food for another type of animal, CANNOT be a good food for another.

As for your situation not having a fridge, I will not comment on that, although it could be difficult because it's hard to keep things fresh, it is also not impossible. But it requires a lot of commitment for you to get fresh fruits daily and I hope you can do it.

For now, you must provide them with fresh fruits and mealworms. Mealworms are easy to keep, no need fridge Just make sure you keep them in a well ventilated container with some oat bedding.

Make sure that your glider gets a variety of fresh fruits, not only apple. You can give them honeydew, papaya, mango, sengkuang, carrot, water chestnut, jambu air and so on. NO grapes, avacado and corn, okay.

I hope this will help you

Lastly, if you really love pets, please try not to be lazy to do research. I know you said you have read on glider information here, but there are loads more out there. Now you have a glider, you MUST be rajin okay It's not easy keeping an exotic, you must be truly commited, you can ask anyone here and they'll tell you a lot of story.

See, my answer here is so long, almost like reading a research also right? Now tell me if you're lazy to read this? Good things need time, effort and commitment.


KP

Yes, agree with akachester too

A true pet lover will consider a lot of things, so show us that your commited and worthy of being a pet lover okay

Hun, haihh, all this commotion forgot to reply to you

Well, I thot of putting a mesh too, but then there would be no point of putting Litter Star lah right, cuz all the poop and pee would stick on the mesh more... Anyhow, don't seem to catch her doing it anymore, but dunnolah if she waits till I'm deep asleep

She is still such a scardy cat lah, everything also makes her jump. But she eats a LOT... Everything I give her can be finish like pretty quick and no leftovers at all! Dunno if she has a big appetite or evreything I give her is more delicious that what she has been eating before She is small when I got her remember

Haven't started bonding yet, cuz she doesn't seem like she has settled down with the new place yet, but I think gonna start a bit tomorrow lah

Btw, I think the mix cannot wait lah till I come over, cuz left for only 2-3 night more


KP

if things were said nicely like this from the start, no scene would appear. yeah, i really appreciate this type of advise and will do my research. now i research on some websites. where can i get rep-cal and vionate? is there zookeepers secret in malaysia? they are for staple food. got this from website.

The best type of staple food for them would be Hun's mix, fresh fruits + mealworms.
And I don't think those two types of food you've mentioned are being sold here in Malaysia. So far I've never seen anyone in the suggie thread mentioning about them.

This post has been edited by snowcandy: May 22 2007, 11:41 AM

Hm..I did remember seeing Rep Cal somewhere or did i remember correctly..lol..

P.S. Now, this is indeed a better place already..

This post has been edited by akachester: May 22 2007, 11:42 AM

You can't find rep-cal, vionate and zookeeper's secret here in Malaysia.

We really lack of sugar glider stuff, that's why Hun makes the mix, I make the pouch and so on so forth.

There are glider staple food sold around, but they are NO good and the gliders do not like them.

You can substitute the supplement with some others that are available here, but it is very difficult to get the right one and I am not sure which one too.

I think this has been discussed before, you can check on the prev-prev post.

Some things has been repeatedly discussed, that's why we request new owners to do proper research even reading thru the thread, to avoid repeated stuff, so you can't blame the people who seem a bit mad at discussing the same thing over and over again


KP

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Added on May 22, 2007, 11:48 amI think the one you can find is ReptiCal, not Rep Cal

But it is extremely difficult woo, always no stock


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: May 22 2007, 11:48 AM

i'll be getting calcium this friday. so at the mean time, i feeding with fruits and meal worms. getting apples, honeydew, watermelon and give them about 8-10 normal size mealies. gonna find oats to gutloat my meal worms. coz now using biscuits to gutloat them. well, u all can get hun's but we cant. hehe... thats the prob, she is up in kl, we are down in melaka without fridge. but i am getting a blender from hometown, so might wanna try mixing some stuffs for them just for their snacks or treats.
wanna know wat to put in, anyone got suggestion? i know i wont ask for hun's recipe, coz its hun's copyrighted trademark. hehe... but i wanna know wat i could tarok inside the blender and do something for my glider. oh, and also kubiz. haha

I guess i might have mistaken then. Maybe when i got time, i can go around and recheck it..lol..

You can search for Leadbeater's mix if you want to blend some things up. It can be found in the same website you search for the rep-cal and vionate

Or just google for it. There are many versions so search carefully.

But if you start blending things up, you will need a fridge to store it too. You can't blend it in small portion.


KP

i blend it then use for less than 3 days. gonna have fridge when i get back hometown which is this sunday. so gonna blend things and put in. can i blend crickets and worms too? hmmm... i just feed the glider with mango, this is the 1st time i see him coming out from the coconut and actually eat the mango. eat quite a lot.

But have you planned for one right after you get back to Malacca?
You will need a fridge to prevent your own mix from going bad.

ya its in consideration. maybe i get my mini fridge instead of my bed. if anyone knows any small fridge or portable mini fridge in melaka, pls let me know. tq.

I'm afraid anything fresh you blend will not even last 1 day.

If you feed anything at night, you must remove any leftover the next morning cuz it will be rotten and make your glider sick if they eat it.

Don't add mealworm or cricket to the blend, it will spoil everything faster and make the blended stuff smellier.

I think it is better not to the blending thing before you get a fridge.


KP

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Added on May 22, 2007, 12:58 pmBtw, you can look for those mini fridge at almost any electrical store, be it malacca or KL. Go out and survey what fits your budget. We can't help you in that area. It'll cost you a few hundred.


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: May 22 2007, 12:58 PM

Here. Check the home appliances category.
http://brothers.com.my/products_category.asp

I guess the mini car freezer should be enough to fit one mix in there. And it's very affordable too. Will definitely be able to fit your budget.

This post has been edited by snowcandy: May 22 2007, 01:13 PM

ok. i ask my mum to get me a blender already. she went to buy it already. back in hometown. well, bout the mini fridge, will try to get it after i come back from hometown to melaka.

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Added on May 22, 2007, 1:38 pmi plan to try this out. http://www.skinhorse.net/gliders/diet.html
the Modified Leadbeaters Mix.
hope it will turn out fine.

will try them when i get back to hometown, so if anyone says its not good, then pls, tell me nicely, i will listen. haha...

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Added on May 22, 2007, 1:50 pmWell, i have did my research from few websites. I think i came across dog kibble, kitten dry, baby cereal. Maybe they are wrong hor?

Diets for Sugar Gliders (Peters breviceps)*

Sugar Glider Diet ** (recipe feeds one animal)
bullet 1 teaspoon-sized piece each, chopped: apple, carrot, sweet potato, banana
bullet 1 teaspoon leaf lettuce
bullet 1/2 hard-cooked egg yolk
bullet 1 tablespoon Nebraska Feline Diet (may use Health Blend or Science Diet Kitten dry or canned diet )
bullet 1 dozen meal worms

** Chicago Zoological Park adapted from AAZK Animal Diet Notebook

Sugar Glider and Squirrel Glider Diet*** (recipe feeds 2 sugar gliders)
bullet Apple: 3 grams
bullet Banana/corn: 3 grams
bullet Dog kibble: 1.5 grams (use Health Blend Kitten dry or canned diet)
bullet Fly pupae: 1 tsp.
bullet Grapes/kiwi fruit: 3 grams
bullet Leadbeater's mix (see below): 2 tsp.
bullet Orange with skin: 4 grams
bullet Pear: 2 grams
bullet Rockmelon/melon/pawpaw: 2 grams
bullet Sweet potato: 3 grams
bullet On Wednesdays: feed day-old chick; when available, large insects (mealworms)

***Taronga Zoo, Sydney Australia

Leadbeater's mix:
bullet warm water: 450 ml
bullet honey: 450 ml
bullet shelled boiled eggs: 3
bullet high protein baby cereal: 75 grams (Gerber Hi-Pro Baby Cereal)
bullet vitamin/mineral supplement (Vionate or Pet tinic): 3 tsp.
bullet Mix warm water and honey. In separate container, blend eggs until homogenized. To eggs, gradually add honey/water, then vitamin powder, then baby cereal, blending after each addition until smooth

quoted from http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm

another website also got state using dog kibbe and baby cereal.
http://www.skinhorse.net/gliders/syd_diet.html

i am not saying anything, but just wanna make things clear as i have dont my research on them. pls do let me know why they use it if its harmful?

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Added on May 22, 2007, 2:09 pmoh... i have done my research coldfusionpower, but many website mentioning dog kibble, kitten dry, and baby cereals... is my research wrong or did u only research on the 1st page of SG thread? sorry bout being sarcastic, but u scolded me before even researching. i have proved on the research i done. its posted on the post. pls take a good look at the dog kibble, kitten dry, baby food. i would like to hear someone explain to me. if u say its not suitable, i will accept it. but from wat ur statement says, u said sure didnt mention about any dog food? oh... i found many dog kibble. hehe

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Added on May 22, 2007, 2:09 pmoh... i have done my research coldfusionpower, but many website mentioning dog kibble, kitten dry, and baby cereals... is my research wrong or did u only research on the 1st page of SG thread? sorry bout being sarcastic, but u scolded me before even researching. i have proved on the research i done. its posted on the post. pls take a good look at the dog kibble, kitten dry, baby food. i would like to hear someone explain to me. if u say its not suitable, i will accept it. but from wat ur statement says, u said sure didnt mention about any dog food? oh... i found many dog kibble. hehe

This post has been edited by JonYeap: May 22 2007, 02:09 PM