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kmarc
post Jun 30 2017, 10:18 AM

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I'm planning to get a siacoin miner like those of bitcoin antminer. Has anyone ever ordered one from overseas? I'm just thinking whether there will be any custom tax which I'm thinking there shouldn't be because it is computer equipment.
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post Jun 30 2017, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Jun 30 2017, 10:36 AM)
i asked my friend working in logistic about paying custom tax for importing antminer S9.

good news. there is no tax to pay for importing antminer S9. BUT. you would need to pay 6% GST on the value (insurance, product cost, shipping cost etc). unless your seller are able to declare it at lower value...  biggrin.gif
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Great! That's the info I need. Thx!

Damn this GST thingy..... mad.gif
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post Jun 30 2017, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 30 2017, 12:13 PM)
Why you opt to mine Siacoin? Siacoin has many transactions meh?

How much is the cost to buy that miner? And ROI a month?
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Not only that. Have to pre-order. ETA is one year and the specs is still largely unknown with a price tag of USD 2500. Only can mine Siacoin and cannot mine other coins because it uses blake2b.

Pre-order is now open but only for one week. There's a lot of reasons why I'm getting it but I'm also throwing a lot of faith into it. If you're interested, the following are some of the reasons:
1) preorder only for one week
2) the first to get the miner and maximize income
3) support the network
4) confidence in the team and prospect of siacoin
5) less than 500w machine that has the power of tens or a hundred GPU! Much more cost-effective than even multiple 6-GPU setup.
6) enough profits to cover total loss if it doesn't work out
7) estimated ROI of one to two months. Note the word "estimated" as the specs is unknown.

There's a lot of things that can go wrong in one year but I'm willing to take the risk. Not recommended fo casual miner. wink.gif

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post Jun 30 2017, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Jun 30 2017, 12:31 PM)
luck is the key word. sometimes u dont sometimes u do have to pay haha. i buy stuffs from overseas on and off all the time.
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Then I hope i will be lucky!!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Jun 30 2017, 12:32 PM)
you're welcome.

but somehow... trezor doesn't fit into the same description pool as antminer S9 lol.

i bought 6 trezors at 1 go and when it reaches me at office, DHL request extra RM200+ for custom tax. mad.gif
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Probably too many? My single Trezor (from Europe) and ledger nano (from Singapore) both no additional tax. I think most people also didn't get taxed.
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post Jun 30 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Jun 30 2017, 12:35 PM)
and full payment have to made if im not mistaken. thumbs up for the summary, these are the people that give proper advise on buying equipment to mine. not those, buy buy buy, market no stock, buy buy then later you found out that they are the one releasing the old used GPU selling you at a inflated price.
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Yeah, have to pay 1 BTC upfront and add more if BTC drops more than 5%. They will refund if BTC goes above 5% but I'm not that particular. One BTC on paying is still one BTC to me. smile.gif
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post Jun 30 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Jun 30 2017, 12:48 PM)
Why Siacoin?
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Oh, do you want the long answer or the short one? biggrin.gif

Haha, will reply you this evening. Difficult to answer fully on the phone.
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post Jun 30 2017, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Jun 30 2017, 07:04 PM)
Earliest delivery is June 2018.
By the time, BTC could be 10,000 or the company vanishes
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 30 2017, 07:16 PM)
Not worth to pay 1BTC while waiting period is 1 year and the money serves nothing.

Several risks associated with this investment decisions while you can utilise the 1BTC to.invest in ETH, ANS or cloud mining and the earnings in the year would be far better.
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No arguments there. Hence the backlash of many people when the terms and conditions were announced.
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post Jul 1 2017, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 07:16 AM)
He has posted not to argue while he has concluded his own terms and conditions.

Hence, no point to advise him anymore. I believe he is not from finance background.... biggrin.gif
Probably he has earned a lot from crypto and he is willing to risk this 1 BTC since it is the gain from others.
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Ahem, I believe you were talking about me? bruce.gif

As mentioned previously, the following were my reasons:

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Pre-order is now open but only for one week. There's a lot of reasons why I'm getting it but I'm also throwing a lot of faith into it. If you're interested, the following are some of the reasons:
1) preorder only for one week
2) the first to get the miner and maximize income
3) support the network
4) confidence in the team and prospect of siacoin
5) less than 500w machine that has the power of tens or a hundred GPU! Much more cost-effective than even multiple 6-GPU setup.
6) enough profits to cover total loss if it doesn't work out
7) estimated ROI of one to two months. Note the word "estimated" as the specs is unknown.

There's a lot of things that can go wrong in one year but I'm willing to take the risk. Not recommended fo casual miner. wink.gif


Yup, I'm not from finance or furniture background tongue.gif and the 1 BTC spent will be from my profits.

Again, it is actually blind faith but come to think about it, there's a lot of cryptos that are unproven but people still invest in it, hoping to hit it rich after a few years. You still have to wait a few years and put a lot of faith in them. I don't see a difference between buying cryptos for investment and investing in this miner. Although the risk are different, all have risks nevertheless. If you were given the chance to be the first using ASICs to mine bitcoin, would you do it? As it stands now, there are too many Bitcoin ASICs farm to compete.

Lastly, Obelisk will only proceed if they get at least 2000 orders. If not, they will return the funds. smile.gif

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post Jul 1 2017, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 07:38 AM)
I am waiting you to reply this I don't see a difference between buying cryptos for investment and investing in this miner. Although the risk are different, all have risks nevertheless..

You have got the answer whereby I have said that you have opportunity cost to invest in others instead of this.
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Yeah, diversifying my investments and also, instead of buying a 6-GPU rig to mine coins (which would probably cost about the same) better to use an ASIC with multiple folds of hashpower and insane power efficiency. Nothing beats being the first and I added above, for us, to mine bitcoin using ASIC is a lost cause as we are always the late comers fighting for the crumbs.
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post Jul 1 2017, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 07:50 AM)
yes but the delivery time is 1 year and you have lost the opportunity cost in that "1 year"...

Probably 1 year - SIACOIN sudah tarak...haha laugh.gif
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Yeah, so many things can happen. Miner project cannot be completed. Miner not up to specs. Later delivery. Company failed. Received miner faulty or going kaput. And if siacoin doesn't make it, the MYR 10k miner will be my most expensive paperweight! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 1 2017, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 08:45 AM)
I prefer now with cloud mining since I can receive daily payout and use the payout to buy ANS daily.

Thus,my total risk is that usd2700.
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Nice. How many percentage returns of initial investment so far?
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post Jul 1 2017, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(cofin @ Jul 1 2017, 11:06 AM)
if you mention cloud mining .....up till today i receive 39% of return from my investment for a total of 49 days.

+/- also need 3 months to ROI then start profit
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Nice. For some reason, I'm just not into cloud mining....

QUOTE(crafturtoe @ Jul 1 2017, 11:07 AM)
Well, there is someone who bought like 100 Antminer S9 and only for 1200USD each.
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Yeah but for normal people like us, buying a USD1200 miner now to mine BTC would probably not be worth it? How's the return?
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post Jul 1 2017, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 11:27 AM)
So far average gets 0.5-0.6% daily ROI of my investment.
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So about 200 days? Quite long also leh but as long as got returns, I guess it's ok. smile.gif
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post Jul 1 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 1 2017, 11:30 AM)
I believe your reason is ownership...

Haha... But 1 year waiting period is same as you gain no ownership as well and the money is idle without yielding anything.
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Yeah, cloud mining die, no ownership. Obelisk mining die, ownership of the most expensive paperweight biggrin.gif

Oh well, let's see how it goes. Have to reach the initial minimum 2000 orders as the first step first.

 

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