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Andrew Lim
post Dec 4 2017, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Dec 4 2017, 05:13 PM)
FB them 3 hours ago, no replied still. damn pissed off. I did exactly they mentioned still processed slow.
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Keep us updated. Hope you get it resolved soon.
I was interested in trying Luno before this actually. Now a bit afraid.
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post Dec 6 2017, 05:43 PM

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Made my first deposit with Luno today. I followed user charlescheesepie's example and just deposited RM100 to understand the whole process. I was quite nervous and kept checking the recipient reference number that Luno asked me to enter.

Anyway I used Maybank2U to transfer at 1:16pm.
I received Luno's confirmation email at 2:59pm.

So that's less than 2 hours. After that I bought BTC using the instant option.

Anyway this gives me more confidence to add more. Too bad I don't have much funds to play with crypto and I missed the big BTC wave this year. tongue.gif
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:02 PM

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Thanks guys for your advice. I was still new to the Luno process. I will keep the Exchange option in mind for future Luno transactions. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(FatalExe @ Dec 6 2017, 05:45 PM)
Don't use Instant buy... You're wasting a lot on fees
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QUOTE(yamasakai @ Dec 6 2017, 05:45 PM)
Go exchange and buy instead. Click on the red price on the left and then click at your balance RM100. It will automatically tabulate how many BTC you can buy.
That way they only charge you 1% fee, not 2% fee.
And welcome to the family  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(brianw87 @ Dec 6 2017, 05:46 PM)
Why not buy using exchange? It is cheaper I think.
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post Dec 7 2017, 07:46 AM

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Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin

I hear that Steam uses Bitpay, and the transaction fees on refunds are getting too high for Valve.
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post Dec 8 2017, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Porie @ Dec 8 2017, 10:14 AM)
Me too, I only invest with the money Im willing to lose, and that amount is not much.
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Same. I only put in money I could afford to lose. Going to keep hodl even if it crashes (then I'll probably buy some more btc on the cheap lol).
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Dec 8 2017, 10:40 AM)
Newbie reporting in! Just decided to install Luno app and started buying some miniscully miscroscopic amount of BTC biggrin.gif
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Welcome fello newbie, I also just started on Wednesday when the price of 1 BTC was still 12k rclxm9.gif

Seems like Luno is the most popular way for newcomers to buy crypto in Malaysia? Even though the first page of this thread 3 other exchanges before it.
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Dec 8 2017, 11:19 AM)
Guys, please advise me the procedure to log a case with BNM for LUNO? I really can't stand it as 8 f**king days already, my deposit still not credited. Any number for me to call or i have to go BNM office and do it?
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Just curious which bank did you use to make the deposit?
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Dec 8 2017, 11:46 AM)
CIMB to LUNO MBB with recipient field keyed in. I followed the instructions already
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Ah I see. I wonder if it's a problem with CIMB's side. Did you use IBG or IBFT(Instant FT)?

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post Dec 8 2017, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Dec 8 2017, 12:08 PM)
i only put recipient field, no other payment details. Cos i thought they will look at recipient field more isnt it?
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I believe that's why your deposit is having problems. Their website says

"Please make sure you enter only your reference number in all available fields, such as Recipient Reference, Other Payment Details, Comment, Message, etc"
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post Dec 8 2017, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(CSP06 @ Dec 8 2017, 01:17 PM)
My deposit more than a week and still not credited into my LUNO account. Am very certain I have input all details correctly. My banker also confirmed money succesfully transferred to BitX Sdn Bhd.  Ticket raise to LUNO help desk ref 276466 still no response.

Their website announced only withdrawals in Msia slowed down. No mention of deposit! In digital era, everything is automated. So why hold up our monies???? And no contact ctr to call. All just emails!🤤😓

Anyone out there facing same issue like me and how did you manage to get your deposit back?  Please share. Tq
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Something similar happened to another forumer. Which bank did you use? Did you make sure to enter the Luno reference number in both the Recipient Reference and Payment Details?
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post Dec 8 2017, 02:14 PM

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I don't think BTC will replace fiat currencies anytime soon, but it could replace gold as a preferred store of value for normal folk. It's much easier to transfer around globally.
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post Dec 8 2017, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(cofin @ Dec 8 2017, 01:46 PM)
Da fark these people ....Br1m coin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2443789.0

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If they can actually get it up and running, more power to them. laugh.gif
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post Dec 9 2017, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 8 2017, 10:30 PM)
I cannot figure out this Bitcoin or crypto. Seems to only change (or trying to) power from rogues to rogues. sorry if I offend anyone. Ya, you can't print more, but you print value. It's like instead print RM 1 for 100 times, you magically can RM 1 to RM 100.
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It's just basic demand and supply. The price increase/decrease according to what people are willing to buy/sell it for. Same for any other asset - gold, oil, silver. There's also a limited amount of Bitcoins that can ever be produced, so people can't magically create new ones like printing Fiat paper in Zimbabwe/Venezuela.
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QUOTE(thirumaran @ Dec 9 2017, 09:54 AM)
"The regulation, however, only prohibits the use of cryptocurrencies as a payment tool, and does not regulate activities such as bitcoin mining and trading"

So I guess the Indonesians can still buy, but cannot use for domestic transactions?
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post Dec 9 2017, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 12:40 PM)
But they can “print” value. The difference is who is the benefactor. Print fiat, government get the value. But increase bitcoins value/forks benefit the existing owners.
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BTC works differently. It's not 1 group or government that can increase the value of BTC. Nobody can simply print more BTC or set the price by themselves.

It's like trying to print gold or increasing the value of gold.

QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 12:43 PM)
Thanks. I don’t think it’s scarce. It’s man made. Thus they can make more or variations.
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Fiat money is also man-made. But bitcoin has a hard limit - 21 million is the maximum no. of BTC that can ever be in circulation. It won't end up like Venezuela/Zimbabwe that you can print and assign any value you like.

QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 12:47 PM)
It’s can be outlawed by the government. Money is king only in time of peace.
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That's the beauty of BTC. No single government can get rid of it. China has tried to ban it, but because it is a decentralized currency, all the Chinese are just trading in S. Korea and Japan.
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QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 05:06 PM)
If you are comparing crypto to gold, and take both as commodity, or store of value. Yes, by believing 21mil is the limit, they are similar based on demand/supply/belief.

No belief required. Maximum number is 21 million based on the source code.

QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 05:06 PM)
If take both as currency, then their value need to be fixed, gold cannot use USD as a measure of value and should use weight which is how it was as currency. Similarly, 1 bitcoin should just be 1 bitcoin and not measure in another currency or fluctuate.

MYR, SGD, GBP can also be measured in USD. Are they not currencies? And in S. Korea / Japan they use their local currencies. Many Luno users also buy in RM, not in USD. It's just that it's more conventional to show goods in USD.

QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 05:06 PM)
The threat of crypto is global not to a single government, no reason that the retaliation cannot be global.
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Maybe in the future. But it's currently legal in USA, Japan, Canada. It's still even legal for individuals in China.
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post Dec 9 2017, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 05:37 PM)
And it's exchange depends on dynamic of economy. Well, all Malaysian grouped together cannot just say they want RM 1 to be USD 10000. Right?
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Yes, and BTC also depends on the dynamics of economic laws. BTC owners also cannot come together and simply set random price. The price is based on laws of supply and demand.

Actually fiat currencies like MYR can be pegged, like when Mahathir fixed RM3.8 to 1 USD after the 1997 financial crisis. But nobody in BTC community can simply do that. smile.gif


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post Dec 9 2017, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(propriete @ Dec 9 2017, 07:21 PM)
Let's say 21m BTC represent the world economy of USD 80 trillion. 21m can't increase anymore but world economy is still growing => Price cannot be stabilized.

Same for other cryptos, is there any crypto that is not finite.
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Each bitcoin has 100 million satoshis.
Which provides 2,100,000,000,000,000 units.
That's 2100 trillion units which is more than enough to represent USD 80 trillion or more if needed.

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post Dec 10 2017, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ Dec 10 2017, 09:45 AM)
when the 21 million is maxed out and every day there's 300k btc going to lost in the transaction, does that means that the btc volume will someday reach a point where it's no longer sustainable because there's so less btc available on the market that are allowed to trade and it no longer worth trading because only a few of the people will be holding it and people will move to an alternative commodity which ends up diluting the demand and render btc worthless?

It sounds like this is the way btc will demise to me. Not sure if anybody thought about this, or maybe I'm wrong on the transaction fees part?
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Yup, BTC can end up killing itself because of the high transaction fees. Hopefully more exchanges will adopt Segwit and the lightning network soon, otherwise I believe many people will migrate to cryptocurrencies that are faster and cheaper. I thin LiteCoin is a good contender.
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post Dec 11 2017, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(xiaobaiwm @ Dec 10 2017, 10:25 AM)
Gg btc not stable
Ciao eth first
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^ Yesterday morning.

QUOTE(xiaobaiwm @ Dec 11 2017, 09:39 AM)
BUY BUY BUY, BTC UP TREND LUNO STILL STUCK @71490
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^ This morning.

lol crypto trading in a nutshell

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