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 LYN Christian Fellowship V13 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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Grajindo
post Oct 26 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Oct 23 2017, 01:14 AM)
Thank you. this really does put my heart at ease.

It really fills me with anxiety when people go "you have to put your faith by living right, otherwise you're not truly saved."

There are a lot of things that I want to do, or think I should do, but I just can't get past the first step. So it's a spiral of angst and anxiety of not living up to standards.

It's the main reason why I dare not go to church anymore. The cycle had become unbearable. I know it's bad and the worst thing to do, but... I just can't.

There's one thing I don't understand. Why is there so much rage against One Saved Always Saved? People calling it demonic doctrine and so on sweat.gif

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Had similar discussion with few brothers and sisters few years back.

And this is my understanding to this problem.

So in your mind, which / what standard of living that you should have only that you can go to church?

To me, if that's the case, I think no one here will able to qualify to go to church. I think my standard might not even good enough compare to a lot of other non-Christian. I always think that this is the lie that satan wants us to believe.

Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." - Mark 2:17

If one ask, am I saved? My answer would be Yes. And do I sin? Yes, I still sin.

But through His crucifixion, I can now have a personal relationship with Him. And this personal relationship is what keeps me going. Even when I sin, I know that I am saved, and with the help of HS, I learn that this is not what a follower of Christ should be like. This makes me want to stay away from sin more and till one day, I have the freedom to choose not to sin.

I hope that this will help you a little bit as this is what helped me.

Grajindo
post Oct 28 2017, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Oct 28 2017, 04:23 PM)
Hi Gajindro sorry for not replying sooner.

I didn't want to be just the 'church goer'. The ones Christians complain most often other than the Easter-Christmas. To sing songs that honestly not being truthfully applied in my life. It's lying. It makes me feel guilty.

And then when there's a message calling for people to come serve to grow as a christian/show fruits of the spirit/prove that you're saved I just... can't take it anymore. There's a lot of things I want to do, I should do, but can't realistically do. So that's even more guilt and anxiety.

It's very difficult to explain to others. It's very easy to say "aiyah very easy mar just change your lifestyle here and there." But, I STILL fail that. Fail at the simplest stuff--

Ok I rather not continue or else it's going to drive me nuts.
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I certainly do not know what is your lifestyle. But look at few of the important characters in the Bible, they all committed 'big' sins. Okay, there is no big or small sin but you'll get what I mean.

And speaking about singing songs, yes, I had the experienced such problem and even now when there is time that I am certainly not at the state as the lyric. So what I can do I just stop singing and pray. I believe that when we feel uneasy, it's when the HS speaks to us and remind us that we have this and that problem.

And a lot of misconception that people think that a Christian should and should not. i.e. Christian should go to church, a Christian should do pray, a Christian should read bible. Christian should not smoke, should not buy 4D etc..When things become should and should not, it then seems to show that we are still living under the law, instead of grace. But please do not get me wrong, I don't mean that Christian do not need to do so. What I would like to express is that when Christian understands His love and grace more and more, we will do it in our own will. And we will hope that our lifestyle will resemble and glorify Him.

There are still a lot of times that I still fail over and over at the same sin. But I believe that when you truly confess before Him and seek for His help, through the HS, He will able to change you and me.

Again, I don't know how's your current lifestyle like. Your lifestyle might actually be better than me, we don't know. But think about it,what makes you think that your lifestyle/habit is keeping you away from God? Are these things/people/addiction that keep you away from Him? And are you prepared to leave this thing/people/addiction behind so it will not be temptation to certain lifestyle/habit. I do believe that it is very hard to change certain lifestyle but don't give up and keep seeking strength from Him to stay way from it.

You do not need to answer me since it's just for own reflection.

My thinking is that going to church is not just about worshiping Him, since we can worship Him anyway anytime. It's also about sharing and encouraging each other.

"not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." - Hebrews 10:25

I hope that we can be encouragement to each other and pray that we will able to encounter more of Him so that we are willing to 'let out nets and follow Him'. thumbup.gif




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