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Dern
post Sep 22 2017, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 8 2017, 07:29 PM)
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Learn to relax and don't let discussion or people to affect your feelings. Discuss with objectivity in mind so that people can understand.

But those who keep on stirring trying to provoke, you just ignore lah...your life doesn't revolve what these people say. Your revolves around what God says. icon_rolleyes.gif
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indeed it is. biggrin.gif in life or reality, it's very important to be able to identify positive minded people and discard gossipy people....but Im sure God will guide us in determining who we should mix with and who we should stay away frm...
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post Jul 1 2018, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jun 25 2018, 09:01 AM)
Calvinists don't have any problems with that verse, a repentant sinner will always exhibit a changed life.

I suppose the million dollar question in this discussion is, can a christian still sin or, can a christian lose his salvation?

I will attempt to answer the second question first from the calvinist's position.

Calvinistic soteriology always starts with God sovereignly elect people that He chooses to save. Whoever He predestined to save, He calls, He justifies, and He glorifies. That's Romans 8. Salvation is God's work from begining to the end. Theologians call this monergism. (read Eph 1, Titus 1, Jude, Johns gospel, it's all over the scripture)

Let's see what Jesus said in John 10:
Jesus said no one is able to snatch those that belongs to Him away, because they were given to Him by the Father.

No one means no one. All that the Father gives Him, will safely reach Him.

Romans 8
Again Paul says here, no one can separate the elects from God, nothing created, not even death.

To say otherwise you will have to say that the text doesn't mean what it says, and doesnt say what it means.

Worst still, it puts the power of salvation in the sinner's hand, impugning the power of God to save.

(to be continued...)
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can a christian still sin or, can a christian lose his salvation?

nothing is free in this world. it doesnt mean you have become christian that you are being saved and continue to behave in worldly manner, which many ppl do. knowing Jesus may save you only if you do the right thing, and one of the worst thing for human is making judgement(when that action actually belongs to God)

so, even if you know Jesus and thought you have been saved, and thought you have been saved....the truth is when you leave earth, you still go for Judgement day. if your sins are more than your deeds, then Hell is waiting...if otherwise, welcome to Heaven

as God gave us Free Will, God also gave us a conscious heart, which means we know exactly what we are doing in no matter how complicated that situation is, whether is it right or wrong. It's only human that continue to build illusions and reasons to make what they do seems right.

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post Jul 8 2018, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 1 2018, 06:13 PM)
Christianity isn't about deeds outweighing sins. It seems you are talking of a different religion here. Please provide scriptural evidence for your opinion.

Ephesus 2:8
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Ephesus 2:10
For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them.
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christianity is about relationship with God, with the Bible as the guidance. However, we are not free from the judgement of God when we leave earth. Do you think God will forgive humans that proclaim they are christians but keep doing unwanted things ? (which I guess only God can see in everything) It doesnt mean that once you accepted Christ and being saved, that one can keep doing sins and asking for forgiveness. I hope I dont make it sound like negative, but more of a realistically perspective.


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post Jul 9 2018, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Jul 9 2018, 03:30 PM)
Not even I, can snatch myself out of His hand?  Wheww!! That's a huge relief  sweat.gif Then i don't really have to try so hard.  And i always thought that synergism is the correct Christianity.
You mean i shouldn't even bother to obey God & keep His commandments, because i simply won't be able to? I didn't know that God will condemn us for trying to obey His commandments.

So the standard is too high to achieve?

Then how come it says, "But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:15-16

or

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." - John 14:15

What's the point??!! God is so unfair to demand the above from me!
My Faith in Christ is still as strong as ever, even after so many decades. I absolutely believe that He came to die for my sins on the cross. I still enjoy watching porn though. I'm sure you do too  brows.gif
Errr, why not???!!! Since i'm already saved  hmm.gif  I can't be unsaved. Nothing can pluck me out of His hand. Just ask Thomas Thai. I ask for forgiveness after i finish watching porn. Anything wrong?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9  icon_rolleyes.gif
Ok, so from what you wrote, i understand that believing in Jesus who came to die on the cross, for my sins is not enough? I must have works to be saved too?


Because Abraham almost plunged the dagger through Isaac's heart, that his Works is considered as Faith?

Awwww.....i understand now.
Are we still sinners after God has forgiven us? How can sinners enter heaven then? If your unbeliever friend is a sinner & you as a Christian, IS STILL a sinner, what's the difference between you & him?  hmm.gif

So everyone in your church is a sinner including your pastor?

Also, if our righteousness is as filthy rags in the sight of God, then there's no point in doing good deeds & good actions since God will still see it as filthy rags, correct?

But there are many examples in the Bible where people are considered righteous by God :

“Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God” (Gen. 6:9)

"God was pleased with Zechariah and Elizabeth: “And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord” (Luke 1:6)

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil." (Job 1:1)

How about Enoch?

So are you sure our righteousness is still filthy rags?
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eerrr, if you intend to repeat sin, what's the point of God forgive you ? the example you quote is not that heavy, what if one day it is a heavy crime ? anyway, everything will have it's consequences whether you accepted Christ already or not....

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